[mailop] [Mod note] GDPR et al
Hi folks It’s time to knock the GDPR discussions on the head, please. This isn’t really the list to be discussing trans-national interpretations of a set of laws which aren’t explicitly mail operations related. Thanks Graeme obo maiop mods. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Whoisand GDPR - was Re: Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2
Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 27 Sep 2021 08:04:18 -0700 Michael Peddemors via mailop napísal: > Yes, an individual probably SHOULD be able to opt out from whois IF > THEY WANT, however if if they expect people to allow traffic from > their domain, they should understand that transparency is important, > especially so that people can notify them if 'things go wrong'. In this case i will expect, that you will block traffic from gmail.com, yahoo.com or even mailop.org, as there is no one person name behind these domains in WHOIS... Yes, i know that you will tell, that there is organization info, but that is the same anonymity as no name when there is not organization behind it. As i am all persons behind my domain, i then will want to publish all people who profits from these organizations in WHOIS. When transparency, then total transparency, not selective one! regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk pgpXy9_F2Hmug.pgp Description: Digitálny podpis OpenPGP ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] MailGun Chuckle..
Loved this one.. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45279 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2021 19:51:34 - Received: from notifications-01.mailgun.com (HELO notifications-01.mailgun.com) (192.237.158.61) Too bad the spammer wasted this opportunity on sending a poorly written beneficiary spam. If I had my 'red' hat on, would send it out to all the Mailgun customers, telling the to 'Click' here to increase their storage ;) PS.. this one I sent a week ago, but strangely got a 4xx when sending.. : Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1) 50.16.190.18: Timeout connecting I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. DOH! .com.. Too bad I didn't get a 5xx -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Whoisand GDPR - was Re: Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2
It really isn't GDPR that ruined the ability to use 'whois' for transparency, it is the lazy hosting companies (or those that like renting IP(s) to miscreants that search for anonymous places to perform their actions) that are at fault. Yes, an individual probably SHOULD be able to opt out from whois IF THEY WANT, however if if they expect people to allow traffic from their domain, they should understand that transparency is important, especially so that people can notify them if 'things go wrong'. However, this issue predates GDPR, even before that hosting companies used the excuse that spammers were 'stripping' whois information to perform spamming, and they used that excuse as justification why not to bother running an 'rwhois' server, or swip'ing their customers. The argument was weak though, I mean customers CAN use spam protection ;) And they could have either obfuscated the email, or posted an alternative means of contact.. But when GDPR came along, this gave those same hosters an even better argument that sounded good.. we can't because of GDPR. For the record, GDPR doesn't preclude posting whois information, as long as the customer understands that it is for a legitimate reason. The hosting company could simply put it in their terms of service, that unless they 'opt out', they agree to the information to be used for the stated reasons. But of course, that means two things: * A 'slight' cost in operating/maintaining whois * CEO's worried about ANYTHING that might deter potential revenue. As long as there is an 'opt-out' clause, or even better, the company only wanting businesses who believe in transparency, keeping accurate whois records is not only possible, but will earn the hosting company a better reputation across the internet. -- Michael -- On 2021-09-26 10:10 a.m., Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote: x On Fri, 24 Sep 2021, Slavko via mailop wrote: While i cannot comment mentioned OVH domain, i will ask, why anyone have to know from WHOIS of my domain my name, or my address or anything about me as private person? My understanding before GDPR was that private (non-commercial?) domain owners could opt out of whois (may just have been an RIPE thing). This would leave name and (non-internet) contact details for post-holders in commercial domains, but the rise of anonymizing services (also before GDPR IIRC) protected them and made whois useless. I don't understand how/why registries allow anonymizing services, but that it definitely off topic. -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] xs4all.nl contact
Hi, I have a little issue with xs4all dmarc reports, any xs4all contact here ? Thanks Giovanni OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
