Re: [mailop] Anyone else seeing email backed up to Microsoft -- only IPv6

2022-10-27 Thread ml+mailop--- via mailop
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022, Peter Beckman via mailop wrote:

>   Deferred: 451 4.7.500 Server busy. Please try again later from
>   [2a01:111:e400:7e0d::51]. (AS750)

Doesn't the MTA (which one do you use?) also try IPv4
or were there no A records at all?

Do you still have the results for the MX and A/ lookups
when the problem happened?

TIA.
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[mailop] Anyone else seeing email backed up to Microsoft -- only IPv6

2022-10-27 Thread Peter Beckman via mailop

I'm late to the party. Had the same issue.

tl;dr -- Microsoft removed the IPv6  record around 8:09pm US EDT (00:09
UTC) and all of our backed up email is now delivered successfully.

Long story:

We've been delivering to hotmail for years, and I've got logs going back to
May 29, 2022.

Microsoft added IPv6  records likely around Oct 24, 2022 at 21:06:13
UTC, as prior to that email, everything was IPv4 in the logs.

Everything was fine between 21:06:13 and 22:00:57, when, after 9 emails had
been successfully delivered, after almost 700,000 between May 29, 2022 and
Oct 24, 2022 were delivered without issue via IPv4, we received the dreaded

Deferred: 451 4.7.500 Server busy. Please try again later from
[2a01:111:e400:7e0d::51]. (AS750)
[HE1EUR04FT020.eop-eur04.prod.protection.outlook.com]

As Frank privately pointed out to me, some emails were delivered via IPv6,
389 to be exact, but many more were not, with a handful of emails still
being rejected from Oct 24 still today!

8   Oct 24
71  Oct 25
80  Oct 26
222 Oct 27

And after the IPv6 was removed, we delivered 1,178 emails in about 2-3
minutes.


So while the immediate outage is resolved, I'm not looking forward to the
next time this happens.

Cheers

Beckman, new subscriber because of this
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Re: [mailop] Anyone else seeing email backed up to Microsoft -- only IPv6

2022-10-27 Thread Otto J. Makela via mailop

On 25/10/2022 17.40, Frank Bulk via mailop wrote:

We had it last night, too, but this morning seeing it again for hotmail.com,
outlook.com, and live.com:


Same here, with also the country-specific hotmail/live domains
and msn.com (hardly surprisingly, as they are on the same servers).

My temporary solution is to hardwire these for IPv4 delivery,
which nicely cleared our queues. This does not scale.

Unfortunately sendmail doesn't seem to have anything to do this on
a permanent basis (ref: Claus Aßmann on comp.mail.sendmail), I'd be
fine with IPv4 outgoing IPv4/IPv6 incoming.

Also, Google seems to now be responding to a similar situation with
a dsn=5.0.0 answer. How nice of them.

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Re: [mailop] Anyone else seeing email backed up to Microsoft -- only IPv6

2022-10-27 Thread Dan Malm via mailop

On 2022-10-25 18:56, Andreas S. Kerber via mailop wrote:

@hotmail.com>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=41706, relay=hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com. 
[IPv6:2a01:111:f400:7e8a:0:0:0:33], dsn=4.7.500, reply=451 4.7.500 Server busy. Please 
try again later from [2a01:111:e400:7e8f::47]. (AS750) 
[BN7NAM10FT103.eop-nam10.prod.protection.outlook.com]

Quite a lot of mail queuing up already. Anybody know what's going on over there?


As far as I can tell it's just some form of greylisting, but with a bad 
message. I have ~800 mails in queue for MS with the "Server busy" 
message and the oldest one is from ~40m ago. Older than that is all 
delivered.


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