Re: [mailop] Autofiling spam mail in Junk folder

2019-10-23 Thread Daniele Duca via mailop

On 23/10/19 13:36, Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote:


If you're delivering to a local Exchange server with a message store then
you can configure the filter on the server and it will move emails to the
spam folder for each user. The level of knowledge to achieve that is within
the realms of whoever set up the server in the first place.
In an ideal world I'd agree with you 100%, but unfortunately I could 
tell you a lot of horror stories about the supposed "realm of knowledge" 
that some so called system administrators/mail operators have :)

If you're the one providing mailbox hosting then just do it yourself or
make it an option for the end users to opt-in to.

Yes, locally we use sieve and it works perfectly

This is all pretty basic functionality which have been around for years so
perhaps I'm missing something?


Basically I'm looking for a header that, if seen by Outlook, 
automatically moves the mail to the junk folder, similarly to Tbird... 
but I'm probably too optimistic that something like that exists.


Daniele


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Re: [mailop] Autofiling spam mail in Junk folder

2019-10-23 Thread Daniele Duca via mailop

On 23/10/19 13:09, Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote:



You can set up local mail filtering rules in Outlook to place certain
emails in a folder. Is that what you mean?


The problem is that explaining end users to create a filter is much more 
time consuming that just say "Go to Account Settings -> Junk settings 
and enable Trust junk mail headers set by SpamAssassin" if they use 
Thunderbird. I'm trying to cut down time spent on end-user support :)


Daniele


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[mailop] Autofiling spam mail in Junk folder

2019-10-23 Thread Daniele Duca via mailop

Hi,

this email takes inspiration from the long "Do we need Spam folders?" 
thread, and it specifically concerns how to take advantage of MUAs and 
possibly cloud providers ability to automatically move mails marked as 
spam to the dedicated junk folder.


We deliver "cloud" antispam protection like many others, meaning that we 
scan emails, do our things, and, for what survives smtp rejection, we 
add some headers and deliver to the destination mail server.


For people that reads mails with Thunderbird, we tell them to enable the 
"Trust SpamAssassin headers" option to have the emails automatically 
moved to the Junk folder by the MUA, but for customers using Outlook 
201* I wasn't able to find anything like that. Does anybody knows a way 
to tell Outlook to do what Thunderbird does? Maybe by faking the 
X-Forefront-Antispam-Report?


Thanks for any hint you could give and apologies if this is too much OT

Daniele Duca


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