Re: [mailop] AOL and Message-ID headers?
on Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 07:40:00PM +0200, Bastian Blank via mailop wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 03:34:48PM +, Steven Champeon via mailop wrote: > > Seems it was sent from a US Cellular phone. She just sent me another via > > the phone and it also lacks a Message-ID header. So, USC's phone mail > > client is the culprit. > > And that's where it is up to you to stop ranting and providing proof. > Aka provide enough e-mail headers (aka all with only identifying > information removed) so people can identify what you see. As Marcel has mentioned, I provided such offlist, though I find it hard to understand how I can show you a Message-Id header that wasn't there. -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2553 w: http://hesketh.com/ Internet security and antispam hostname intelligence: http://enemieslist.com/ ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] AOL and Message-ID headers?
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 03:34:48PM +, Steven Champeon via mailop wrote: > Seems it was sent from a US Cellular phone. She just sent me another via > the phone and it also lacks a Message-ID header. So, USC's phone mail > client is the culprit. And that's where it is up to you to stop ranting and providing proof. Aka provide enough e-mail headers (aka all with only identifying information removed) so people can identify what you see. Regards, Bastian -- A Vulcan can no sooner be disloyal than he can exist without breathing. -- Kirk, "The Menagerie", stardate 3012.4 ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] AOL and Message-ID headers?
on Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 09:31:08PM -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote: > How does she sent her mail? Webmail? Ancient AOL PC client? > Phone? Via Samsung/Android on a US Cellular link; I've verified that it is indeed not issuing a proper Message-Id header and the Yahoo! transit isn't adding one, either. Marcel is looking into it. -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2553 w: http://hesketh.com/ Internet security and antispam hostname intelligence: http://enemieslist.com/ ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] AOL and Message-ID headers?
on Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 09:31:08PM -0400, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Steven Champeon via mailop said: > >My mom has been an AOL user for decades, and still has and uses her AOL > >address as her primary address. Lately, none of her messages have > >contained a Message-ID header, which we treat as brokenness here, > > I just sent myself a message from my AOL account, using their webmail, > and it arrived with a normal message-ID: > > Message-ID: <490596937.2432168.1634088397...@mail.yahoo.com> > > How does she sent her mail? Webmail? Ancient AOL PC client? > Phone? Seems it was sent from a US Cellular phone. She just sent me another via the phone and it also lacks a Message-ID header. So, USC's phone mail client is the culprit. -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2553 w: http://hesketh.com/ Internet security and antispam hostname intelligence: http://enemieslist.com/ ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] AOL and Message-ID headers?
A copy and paste from a recent admin note feels relevant here: All Can we please try to retain at least a veneer of professionalism and decency within posts? I remind you all of the list charter, here: https://www.mailop.org/ Too many posts recently have been openly aggressive, attacking, and attributing things incorrectly/invalidly and/or making assertions that cannot be supported by facts. Please keep posts accurate, evidence-based (along with said evidence), and respectful. Thank you, On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 6:15 PM Steven Champeon via mailop wrote: > > My mom has been an AOL user for decades, and still has and uses her AOL > address as her primary address. Lately, none of her messages have > contained a Message-ID header, which we treat as brokenness here, > because it's wrong and stupid and broken, so she's been having trouble > emailing us. I know it's a SHOULD even in RFC5322 but come on, people, > it's expected. I don't know why anyone would remove support for it in > any MUA, and it's been there for years and years. And as recently as > today, but suddenly it's gone. > > Is this a deliberate act of stupidity or just some form of random > failure to comply with longstanding tradition? I've whitelisted her here > but wonder if anyone else is seeing this idiocy and has some insight > into why and how it just suddenly started showing up? > > -- > hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2553 w: > http://hesketh.com/ > Internet security and antispam hostname intelligence: > http://enemieslist.com/ > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] AOL and Message-ID headers?
It appears that Steven Champeon via mailop said: >My mom has been an AOL user for decades, and still has and uses her AOL >address as her primary address. Lately, none of her messages have >contained a Message-ID header, which we treat as brokenness here, I just sent myself a message from my AOL account, using their webmail, and it arrived with a normal message-ID: Message-ID: <490596937.2432168.1634088397...@mail.yahoo.com> How does she sent her mail? Webmail? Ancient AOL PC client? Phone? R's, John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] AOL and Message-ID headers?
My mom has been an AOL user for decades, and still has and uses her AOL address as her primary address. Lately, none of her messages have contained a Message-ID header, which we treat as brokenness here, because it's wrong and stupid and broken, so she's been having trouble emailing us. I know it's a SHOULD even in RFC5322 but come on, people, it's expected. I don't know why anyone would remove support for it in any MUA, and it's been there for years and years. And as recently as today, but suddenly it's gone. Is this a deliberate act of stupidity or just some form of random failure to comply with longstanding tradition? I've whitelisted her here but wonder if anyone else is seeing this idiocy and has some insight into why and how it just suddenly started showing up? -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2553 w: http://hesketh.com/ Internet security and antispam hostname intelligence: http://enemieslist.com/ ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
