Re: [mailop] DMARC reports - was Re: New server email being treated as spam by Google

2020-11-22 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article <20201122130557.gb4...@ikki.ethgen.ch> you write:
>Everything pass and ok. But the mail was in spam.

That's not in the least surprising. DMARC failures make mail more
likely to be rejected or marked as spam, but DMARC alignment is not a
whitelist.

Spammers can send DMARC aligned mail as well as anyone else.  Maybe even better.

>> 2 Google are not spamming you; you asked for those reports, and can stop
>> asking for them by removing your address from your DMARC DNS records.
>
>I only ask for mails going to quarantine but from the report, the mail
>is normal delivered.

That's not how reports work. If you ask for aggregate reports, you get
all of the aggregate reports.



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[mailop] DMARC reports - was Re: New server email being treated as spam by Google

2020-11-22 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020, Klaus Ethgen via mailop wrote:


Hi Paul,

I have the same problem for years. Even more, I get dmarc messages from
google that everything is pass but the mails are delivered to spam box.



At the begin, Google was delivering my mail to spam for no reason. Now
the mails are delivered to spam AND google is spamming me with dmarc
reports that everything is fine.


1 That isn't what a DMARC report tells you.
The report tells you:
 a) that Google are receiving messages claiming to be from you,
 b) when others are mailing google user and faking that you sent it, and
 c) if genuine mail from you fails the DMARC checks.

2 Google are not spamming you; you asked for those reports, and can stop
asking for them by removing your address from your DMARC DNS records.

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Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK
and...@aitchison.me.uk
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Re: [mailop] DMARC reports - was Re: New server email being treated as spam by Google

2020-11-22 Thread Klaus Ethgen via mailop
Am So den 22. Nov 2020 um 13:56 schrieb Andrew C Aitchison:
> 1 That isn't what a DMARC report tells you.
> The report tells you:
>  a) that Google are receiving messages claiming to be from you,
>  b) when others are mailing google user and faking that you sent it, and
>  c) if genuine mail from you fails the DMARC checks.

Ok, here is the last:
   
   
 
   google.com
   noreply-dmarc-supp...@google.com
   
https://support.google.com/a/answer/2466580
   12460447340488768949
   
 1605916800
 1606003199
   
 
 
   ethgen.ch
   s
   s
   quarantine
   quarantine
   100
 
 
   
 5.9.7.51
 2
 
   none
   pass
   pass
 
   
   
 ethgen.ch
   
   
 
   ethgen.ch
   pass
   mail
 
 
   ethgen.ch
   pass
 
   
 
   

Everything pass and ok. But the mail was in spam.

(I can only guess, if it refers to the mail I sent as they don't give
any reference to the mail.)

> 2 Google are not spamming you; you asked for those reports, and can stop
> asking for them by removing your address from your DMARC DNS records.

I only ask for mails going to quarantine but from the report, the mail
is normal delivered.

Regards
   Klaus
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