Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
Dnia 7.12.2022 o godz. 10:30:44 Jay Hennigan via mailop pisze: > On 12/7/22 05:13, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > > >Regular mailing lists, where you purposely subscribe by yourself, and > >marketing mass-mailing, where you are usually subscribed "by the way", eg. > >when registering on some website, are two quite different things. > > Regular mailing lists, where you purposely subscribe by yourself, > and spam mass-mailing, where you are subscribed without your > knowledge or consent, are two quite different things. > > Fixed that for you. That's true too ;) -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
On 12/7/22 05:13, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Regular mailing lists, where you purposely subscribe by yourself, and marketing mass-mailing, where you are usually subscribed "by the way", eg. when registering on some website, are two quite different things. Regular mailing lists, where you purposely subscribe by yourself, and spam mass-mailing, where you are subscribed without your knowledge or consent, are two quite different things. Fixed that for you. -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
FYI I was contacted privately by a marketo employee and provided the full headers/email to him for further analysis. Thanks! Lukas On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 16:46, Chris Huff wrote: > > Came here to say what Matt - who as far as I can tell is always right - has > said: please send anything related to email compliance at Marketo to > ab...@marketo.com and we'll handle it with our customer. > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 7:58 AM Matt Vernhout via mailop > wrote: >> >> CAN-SPAM, CASL and several other Anti-Spam/Digital Marketing laws require >> that the recipient only need to supply their email addresses to unsubscribe. >> It may also be a requirement of their ESP, send a note to the abuse desk for >> 1 unsolicited emails, 2 possible violations of local or relevant legislation. >> >> This process sounds like a direct violation of these laws (IANAL). >> >> ~ MV >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:41 AM Lukas Tribus via mailop >> wrote: >>> >>> Hey folks, >>> >>> >>> The URL in question is from an unsubscribe link in an opt-out-only >>> unsolicited marketing email from IBM (no business has ever been >>> conducted with IBM from this) through marketo.com (leopard.mktdns.com, >>> return-path/dkim signed mktomail.com): >>> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20221206150930/https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=urx-42537 >>> >>> Unsubscribe from Marketing: Opt-Out request >>> We are sorry to see you go, but happy to process your request to >>> remove you from future IBM marketing communications. >>> Please enter your first, last name, email and country in this form to >>> enable us to validate who you are and process your request**. >>> ** Note that it may take a few business days to align all our systems >>> to your request. >>> >>> >>> nice! >>> ___ >>> mailop mailing list >>> mailop@mailop.org >>> https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
On 12/7/22 6:46 AM, Matt Vernhout via mailop wrote: CAN-SPAM, CASL and several other Anti-Spam/Digital Marketing laws require that the recipient only need to supply their email addresses to unsubscribe. It may also be a requirement of their ESP, send a note to the abuse desk for 1 unsolicited emails, 2 possible violations of local or relevant legislation. Nothing says that the name that you give during the unsubscribe has to be accurate. I'll commonly use First M. Last when I'm coerced into filling out such forms. Sometimes it's not worth tilting at the windmill. -- So saith someone who oft tilts at the windmill. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
Came here to say what Matt - who as far as I can tell is always right - has said: please send anything related to email compliance at Marketo to ab...@marketo.com and we'll handle it with our customer. On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 7:58 AM Matt Vernhout via mailop wrote: > CAN-SPAM, CASL and several other Anti-Spam/Digital Marketing laws require > that the recipient only need to supply their email addresses to > unsubscribe. It may also be a requirement of their ESP, send a note to the > abuse desk for 1 unsolicited emails, 2 possible violations of local or > relevant legislation. > > This process sounds like a direct violation of these laws (IANAL). > > ~ MV > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:41 AM Lukas Tribus via mailop > wrote: > >> Hey folks, >> >> >> The URL in question is from an unsubscribe link in an opt-out-only >> unsolicited marketing email from IBM (no business has ever been >> conducted with IBM from this) through marketo.com (leopard.mktdns.com, >> return-path/dkim signed mktomail.com): >> >> >> https://web.archive.org/web/20221206150930/https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=urx-42537 >> >> Unsubscribe from Marketing: Opt-Out request >> We are sorry to see you go, but happy to process your request to >> remove you from future IBM marketing communications. >> Please enter your first, last name, email and country in this form to >> enable us to validate who you are and process your request**. >> ** Note that it may take a few business days to align all our systems >> to your request. >> >> >> nice! >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop >> > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
CAN-SPAM, CASL and several other Anti-Spam/Digital Marketing laws require that the recipient only need to supply their email addresses to unsubscribe. It may also be a requirement of their ESP, send a note to the abuse desk for 1 unsolicited emails, 2 possible violations of local or relevant legislation. This process sounds like a direct violation of these laws (IANAL). ~ MV On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:41 AM Lukas Tribus via mailop wrote: > Hey folks, > > > The URL in question is from an unsubscribe link in an opt-out-only > unsolicited marketing email from IBM (no business has ever been > conducted with IBM from this) through marketo.com (leopard.mktdns.com, > return-path/dkim signed mktomail.com): > > > https://web.archive.org/web/20221206150930/https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=urx-42537 > > Unsubscribe from Marketing: Opt-Out request > We are sorry to see you go, but happy to process your request to > remove you from future IBM marketing communications. > Please enter your first, last name, email and country in this form to > enable us to validate who you are and process your request**. > ** Note that it may take a few business days to align all our systems > to your request. > > > nice! > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
Dnia 7.12.2022 o godz. 12:06:03 Andrew C Aitchison via mailop pisze: > On Wed, 7 Dec 2022, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > > >Obviously it is done this way only to discourage people from unsubscribing. > >They know the address they sent mail to, so they could easily generate a > >personalized unsubscribe link that is connected with this particular address > >and allows to unsubscribe just by clicking "Confirm" or something like this > >on the page you get to via the link - as many legitimate newsletters already > >do. > > Hmm. This list has two unsubscribe links (https: and mailto:) > but neither is personalised. Regular mailing lists, where you purposely subscribe by yourself, and marketing mass-mailing, where you are usually subscribed "by the way", eg. when registering on some website, are two quite different things. The latter usually - at least if they are legitimate ones - have personalized unsubscribe links, when you click that link the software serving the webpage already knows which address do you want to unsubscribe. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
On Wed, 7 Dec 2022, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Obviously it is done this way only to discourage people from unsubscribing. They know the address they sent mail to, so they could easily generate a personalized unsubscribe link that is connected with this particular address and allows to unsubscribe just by clicking "Confirm" or something like this on the page you get to via the link - as many legitimate newsletters already do. Hmm. This list has two unsubscribe links (https: and mailto:) but neither is personalised. -- Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK and...@aitchison.me.uk ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
Dnia 7.12.2022 o godz. 10:54:20 Stuart Henderson via mailop pisze: > On 2022/12/06 16:43, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > > > > People who 'gather' or require information on the opt-out pages, even if it > > is just the email address (you already sent to our email address) > > And this is made worse because there are plenty of cases where the > recipient won't know the exact address that the email was sent to. Obviously it is done this way only to discourage people from unsubscribing. They know the address they sent mail to, so they could easily generate a personalized unsubscribe link that is connected with this particular address and allows to unsubscribe just by clicking "Confirm" or something like this on the page you get to via the link - as many legitimate newsletters already do. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
On 2022/12/06 16:43, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > > People who 'gather' or require information on the opt-out pages, even if it > is just the email address (you already sent to our email address) And this is made worse because there are plenty of cases where the recipient won't know the exact address that the email was sent to. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
On 2022-12-06 07:27, Lukas Tribus via mailop wrote: Hey folks, The URL in question is from an unsubscribe link in an opt-out-only unsolicited marketing email from IBM (no business has ever been conducted with IBM from this) through marketo.com (leopard.mktdns.com, return-path/dkim signed mktomail.com): https://web.archive.org/web/20221206150930/https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=urx-42537 Unsubscribe from Marketing: Opt-Out request We are sorry to see you go, but happy to process your request to remove you from future IBM marketing communications. Please enter your first, last name, email and country in this form to enable us to validate who you are and process your request**. ** Note that it may take a few business days to align all our systems to your request. nice! People who 'gather' or require information on the opt-out pages, even if it is just the email address (you already sent to our email address) quickly get a bad reputation for their sending IPs.. if not end up on someone's blacklist.. don't do it. Even if you are IBM (and you should know better) -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] IBM: [to unsubscribe] please enter your first, last name, email and country
Hey folks, The URL in question is from an unsubscribe link in an opt-out-only unsolicited marketing email from IBM (no business has ever been conducted with IBM from this) through marketo.com (leopard.mktdns.com, return-path/dkim signed mktomail.com): https://web.archive.org/web/20221206150930/https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=urx-42537 Unsubscribe from Marketing: Opt-Out request We are sorry to see you go, but happy to process your request to remove you from future IBM marketing communications. Please enter your first, last name, email and country in this form to enable us to validate who you are and process your request**. ** Note that it may take a few business days to align all our systems to your request. nice! ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
