Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 16:42, Chris Boyd wrote: > > > >> On Jan 10, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: >> >> mcimail.com (30 Jun 2003 ) > > I used to have an mcimail.com address, and an @internetmci.com address. > > Anyone know if that’s still in use? mcimail.com was turned into spamtraps somewhere around 2005. laura -- Having an Email Crisis? We can help! 800 823-9674 Laura Atkins Word to the Wise la...@wordtothewise.com (650) 437-0741 Email Delivery Blog: https://wordtothewise.com/blog ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
> On Jan 10, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > > mcimail.com (30 Jun 2003 ) I used to have an mcimail.com address, and an @internetmci.com address. Anyone know if that’s still in use? —Chris ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_major_email_domains_no_longer_in_service -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Benjamin BILLON Sent: mercredi 9 janvier 2019 18:15 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? I didn't find shorter than "List of domain names formerly used to receive massive amounts of emails" for the title of the page, if someone has a better idea, please sho[o|u]t ... -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Benjamin BILLON Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 20:19 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? RBL would be useful but I can start a list of defunct domains based on my experience, my email history and a few logs. I can't publish a RBL in a blink. Also in my case, I wouldn't need a MTA to consume the list, I just want to have a list, with a date (or a year) of when the domain stopped asking to receive emails, so when I spot those domains I would have an indication of the age of the database, and do something with that. It would also show an interesting history of the merges and deaths of emailing ecosystems on the Internet. I'm not convinced about the need to highly document that, and official shutdown pages have high chances of being shut as well not long after the domain. But there's no problem to describing too much either. We could also ask Al, or Laura, to maintain this list, but I believe they wouldn't mind a little community effort instead. I'll create the page on Wikipedia tomorrow, if nobody does it first =) -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via mailop Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 19:58 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? On 01/08/2019 10:32 AM, John Levine wrote: > A lot of them have been turned into spamtraps after rejecting mail for > a year or so. For obvious reasons, the people using them will not > tell you what they are. I think there is a significant difference in a list of defunct sending domains and a list of spam traps. I can see how there is some overlap. But I don't think that concern of the latter precludes the former. Also, it would be trivial for spam trap operators to disqualify their domains by stating that they do send email from said domains. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
I didn't find shorter than "List of domain names formerly used to receive massive amounts of emails" for the title of the page, if someone has a better idea, please sho[o|u]t ... -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Benjamin BILLON Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 20:19 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? RBL would be useful but I can start a list of defunct domains based on my experience, my email history and a few logs. I can't publish a RBL in a blink. Also in my case, I wouldn't need a MTA to consume the list, I just want to have a list, with a date (or a year) of when the domain stopped asking to receive emails, so when I spot those domains I would have an indication of the age of the database, and do something with that. It would also show an interesting history of the merges and deaths of emailing ecosystems on the Internet. I'm not convinced about the need to highly document that, and official shutdown pages have high chances of being shut as well not long after the domain. But there's no problem to describing too much either. We could also ask Al, or Laura, to maintain this list, but I believe they wouldn't mind a little community effort instead. I'll create the page on Wikipedia tomorrow, if nobody does it first =) -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via mailop Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 19:58 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? On 01/08/2019 10:32 AM, John Levine wrote: > A lot of them have been turned into spamtraps after rejecting mail for > a year or so. For obvious reasons, the people using them will not > tell you what they are. I think there is a significant difference in a list of defunct sending domains and a list of spam traps. I can see how there is some overlap. But I don't think that concern of the latter precludes the former. Also, it would be trivial for spam trap operators to disqualify their domains by stating that they do send email from said domains. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On 01/09/2019 09:45 AM, John Levine wrote: Sounds like it'd be more productive to fix the code in the MTA rather than to invent a band-aid and then try to make the MTA use the band-aid. Rejecting mail for authoritative NXDOMAIN failure is pretty basic. I think most of the MTAs (that I've looked at) already have code to do this. It's just that people don't enable it for one reason or another. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
In article you write: >On 01/09/2019 07:58 AM, John Levine wrote: >> Sounds like it'd be more useful to persuade those domains to publish a >> null MX. Then everyone's mail to them will fail automagically. > >Agreed. > >However that requires that the domains still be registered and having >DNS service. > >Granted, MTAs should refuse to accept email for non-existent domains. >But we all know that there are a LOT of MTAs that don't do things the >way that they should. Sounds like it'd be more productive to fix the code in the MTA rather than to invent a band-aid and then try to make the MTA use the band-aid. Rejecting mail for authoritative NXDOMAIN failure is pretty basic. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On 01/09/2019 07:58 AM, John Levine wrote: Sounds like it'd be more useful to persuade those domains to publish a null MX. Then everyone's mail to them will fail automagically. Agreed. However that requires that the domains still be registered and having DNS service. Granted, MTAs should refuse to accept email for non-existent domains. But we all know that there are a LOT of MTAs that don't do things the way that they should. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
* John Levine : > In article <0eb10a39-fe76-e064-ae17-dc1484260...@stefan-neufeind.de> you > write: > >Part of my reason to start this mail-thread was that for some domains > >which get mistypes from time to time (like gmail.de instead of > >gmail.com) it would maybe nice to reject that email right away ... > > Sounds like it'd be more useful to persuade those domains to publish a > null MX. Then everyone's mail to them will fail automagically. ACK and thanks for bringing null MXes up. p@rick -- [*] sys4 AG https://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Schleißheimer Straße 26/MG,80333 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer, Wolfgang Stief Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
In article <0eb10a39-fe76-e064-ae17-dc1484260...@stefan-neufeind.de> you write: >Part of my reason to start this mail-thread was that for some domains >which get mistypes from time to time (like gmail.de instead of >gmail.com) it would maybe nice to reject that email right away ... Sounds like it'd be more useful to persuade those domains to publish a null MX. Then everyone's mail to them will fail automagically. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On 1/8/19 9:20 PM, John Levine wrote: > In article > you write: >> -=-=-=-=-=- >> -=-=-=-=-=- >> >> On 01/08/2019 12:46 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> Why would spam trap domains want to say anything? >> >> So that their domain(s) would be ineligible to be listed. > > You're still making the key assumption that they would care. > >> Receivers could use it to reject email from listed defunct domains. >> Domains which likely don't have SFP or other mechanisms to indicate that >> they don't send email. > > Before you put a lot of effort into this, how much difference would it > make for spam filtering? I don't see a lot of spam purporting to be > from famous dead domains. They're either famous live domains or > random addresses picked from their spam lists. Hi, Part of my reason to start this mail-thread was that for some domains which get mistypes from time to time (like gmail.de instead of gmail.com) it would maybe nice to reject that email right away instead of having it in the outgoing queue for some days (Connetion timed out, ...) and being able to tell the sender after delay of some days that finally that email still timed out - although by looking at the domain we could already tell beforehand that delivery will not succeed / does not make sense. But there might be other purposes to use such a list, of course. Kind regards, Stefan ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
From: http://www.sorbs.net/general/using.shtml Under 'Zones Available': nomail.rhsbl.sorbs.net - List of domain names where the owners have indicated no email should ever originate from these domains. .. Its pretty much defunct as no-one updates it.. It was created circa 2005. Michelle Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: On 01/08/2019 09:55 AM, Benjamin BILLON wrote: I'd be interested in that too. As would I. As I'm not aware of such list, what about just starting it from scratch? We could put it on Wikipedia or anywhere else where it makes sense, and where we would have history and versioning. I'm not opposed to Wikipedia, or somewhere similar. But I don't think that Wikipedia is inherently readily consumable by MTAs. Dare I say, this sounds like another, new type of RBL to me. Add an A / record that indicates the type of listing (self listed closure vs someone else listing them posthumously, etc). I'd also like to see a TXT record (or something else) pointing to a page talking about / providing information about the listing. I feel that an RBL would be easily consumed by MTAs. If such an RBL is created and takes off, I'd be very interested in allowing people to slave the zone and host it locally. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/ ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
Ah yes.. have to have the ACL's in place to send empty replies ;) With our company having run RBL's for well over 10 years, (like many others on this list) we have seen it all, spammers checking for clean IP space, employees at competitors, the 'startups' wanting to seed their data sets (don't they understand and respect the time and effort that went into this?) and even large telco's (yes, you can afford a subscription), not to mention the bad actors that want to disrupt the service for their own evil plans of world domination.. Luckily, mirror nodes are cheap, and many good companies out there are also willing to offer mirrors, and we use our own custom 'rbldnsd' with a custom data distribution method (we should share more of this to others) so our load is a lot lighter, but yes Anyone wanting to 'fire up' an RBL, willing have teething pains :) On 2019-01-08 3:54 p.m., Bill Cole wrote: No, the difficult part of running a DNSBL is handling the query load. I run a private DNSBL whose base zone has only ever appeared in 5xx replies and well over a decade ago on some now-defunct technical discussion lists more obscure than this one and on one web page on my ultra-low-traffic website. It has never provided public service, thanks to BIND views. A handful of resolving entities attempt hundreds of thousands of queries against that zone most days. They have never received useful responses. Many now receive NO responses now, because one IP4 broker (apparently...) has taken to using AWS instances to send scores of thousands of queries regarding a single entirely unrouted /20 in parallel every day between 2100Z and 2110Z. Each IP is queried against the DNSBL from multiple AWS zones all at once. Until I started automatically dropping Amazon /24s into a "no DNS for you" IP set on my external router, my authoritative DNS server was basically useless for 5-10 minutes almost every day. When they ask my secondary because I don't respond, they get no answers and a referral to '.' as the NS for the DNSBL zone. -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On 8 Jan 2019, at 15:58, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: On 01/08/2019 01:49 PM, John R Levine wrote: (I) don't see it as very useful. Fair. I'm of the opinion that an RBL is not difficult to set up. To me the difficult thing is sourcing data to put in it. No, the difficult part of running a DNSBL is handling the query load. I run a private DNSBL whose base zone has only ever appeared in 5xx replies and well over a decade ago on some now-defunct technical discussion lists more obscure than this one and on one web page on my ultra-low-traffic website. It has never provided public service, thanks to BIND views. A handful of resolving entities attempt hundreds of thousands of queries against that zone most days. They have never received useful responses. Many now receive NO responses now, because one IP4 broker (apparently...) has taken to using AWS instances to send scores of thousands of queries regarding a single entirely unrouted /20 in parallel every day between 2100Z and 2110Z. Each IP is queried against the DNSBL from multiple AWS zones all at once. Until I started automatically dropping Amazon /24s into a "no DNS for you" IP set on my external router, my authoritative DNS server was basically useless for 5-10 minutes almost every day. When they ask my secondary because I don't respond, they get no answers and a referral to '.' as the NS for the DNSBL zone. That's what a few morons do to an entirely private never-useful DNSBL. I do also want to be sure that if such is done, there is some sanity around it. Can I ask for a straw poll for people that would find some value in such a BL? -- Grant. . . . unix || die ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
It's just another tool in our toolbox. -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of John R Levine Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 21:49 To: Brandon Long Cc: mailop ; Grant Taylor Subject: Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? > Tools can be used for good and bad purposes. At some level, an ESP is > trusting mailing lists from their customers, and knows that some of > those lists are bad, even if the customer claims the lists are on the > up and up. Any "white hat" ESP is going to have various systems in > place to try and catch these bad lists and bad customers before they > send mail. A grey or black hat ESP could use that to just remove the > known bad entries. Every legit ESP that I know already has a big list of poison addresses. People can try and do it if they want, but don't see it as very useful. Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On 01/08/2019 01:49 PM, John R Levine wrote: (I) don't see it as very useful. Fair. I'm of the opinion that an RBL is not difficult to set up. To me the difficult thing is sourcing data to put in it. I do also want to be sure that if such is done, there is some sanity around it. Can I ask for a straw poll for people that would find some value in such a BL? -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
Tools can be used for good and bad purposes. At some level, an ESP is trusting mailing lists from their customers, and knows that some of those lists are bad, even if the customer claims the lists are on the up and up. Any "white hat" ESP is going to have various systems in place to try and catch these bad lists and bad customers before they send mail. A grey or black hat ESP could use that to just remove the known bad entries. Every legit ESP that I know already has a big list of poison addresses. People can try and do it if they want, but don't see it as very useful. Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:53 AM John Levine wrote: > In article < > 939a57ce-4fcc-bd72-b2a4-632fe...@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> you > write: > >Also, it would be trivial for spam trap operators to disqualify their > >domains by stating that they do send email from said domains. > > Why would spam trap domains want to say anything? > > What would tbe point of this BL be other than listwashing? > Tools can be used for good and bad purposes. At some level, an ESP is trusting mailing lists from their customers, and knows that some of those lists are bad, even if the customer claims the lists are on the up and up. Any "white hat" ESP is going to have various systems in place to try and catch these bad lists and bad customers before they send mail. A grey or black hat ESP could use that to just remove the known bad entries. Its kind of the same purpose served by feedback loops, though feedback loops are after the spam is already sent. Its all grey. Brandon ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >On 01/08/2019 12:46 PM, John Levine wrote: >> Why would spam trap domains want to say anything? > >So that their domain(s) would be ineligible to be listed. You're still making the key assumption that they would care. >Receivers could use it to reject email from listed defunct domains. >Domains which likely don't have SFP or other mechanisms to indicate that >they don't send email. Before you put a lot of effort into this, how much difference would it make for spam filtering? I don't see a lot of spam purporting to be from famous dead domains. They're either famous live domains or random addresses picked from their spam lists. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On 01/08/2019 12:46 PM, John Levine wrote: Why would spam trap domains want to say anything? So that their domain(s) would be ineligible to be listed. Something as simple as the following would render a sending domain ineligible. From: postmaster@domain.eample Subject: I send email. I send email, please do not add my domain to your list. That doesn't give any details about what the domain other than the fact that it does still occasionally send email. I think this would be most useful if a domain was listed and needed to be delisted. What would tbe point of this BL be other than listwashing? Senders could use it to list wash. Receivers could use it to reject email from listed defunct domains. Domains which likely don't have SFP or other mechanisms to indicate that they don't send email. It's just an idea that would make the data that Benjamin is talking about publishing available in such a way that an MTA can consume it. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
In article <939a57ce-4fcc-bd72-b2a4-632fe...@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> you write: >Also, it would be trivial for spam trap operators to disqualify their >domains by stating that they do send email from said domains. Why would spam trap domains want to say anything? What would tbe point of this BL be other than listwashing? ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
RBL would be useful but I can start a list of defunct domains based on my experience, my email history and a few logs. I can't publish a RBL in a blink. Also in my case, I wouldn't need a MTA to consume the list, I just want to have a list, with a date (or a year) of when the domain stopped asking to receive emails, so when I spot those domains I would have an indication of the age of the database, and do something with that. It would also show an interesting history of the merges and deaths of emailing ecosystems on the Internet. I'm not convinced about the need to highly document that, and official shutdown pages have high chances of being shut as well not long after the domain. But there's no problem to describing too much either. We could also ask Al, or Laura, to maintain this list, but I believe they wouldn't mind a little community effort instead. I'll create the page on Wikipedia tomorrow, if nobody does it first =) -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via mailop Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 19:58 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? On 01/08/2019 10:32 AM, John Levine wrote: > A lot of them have been turned into spamtraps after rejecting mail for > a year or so. For obvious reasons, the people using them will not > tell you what they are. I think there is a significant difference in a list of defunct sending domains and a list of spam traps. I can see how there is some overlap. But I don't think that concern of the latter precludes the former. Also, it would be trivial for spam trap operators to disqualify their domains by stating that they do send email from said domains. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On 01/08/2019 10:32 AM, John Levine wrote: A lot of them have been turned into spamtraps after rejecting mail for a year or so. For obvious reasons, the people using them will not tell you what they are. I think there is a significant difference in a list of defunct sending domains and a list of spam traps. I can see how there is some overlap. But I don't think that concern of the latter precludes the former. Also, it would be trivial for spam trap operators to disqualify their domains by stating that they do send email from said domains. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
On 01/08/2019 09:55 AM, Benjamin BILLON wrote: I'd be interested in that too. As would I. As I'm not aware of such list, what about just starting it from scratch? We could put it on Wikipedia or anywhere else where it makes sense, and where we would have history and versioning. I'm not opposed to Wikipedia, or somewhere similar. But I don't think that Wikipedia is inherently readily consumable by MTAs. Dare I say, this sounds like another, new type of RBL to me. Add an A / record that indicates the type of listing (self listed closure vs someone else listing them posthumously, etc). I'd also like to see a TXT record (or something else) pointing to a page talking about / providing information about the listing. I feel that an RBL would be easily consumed by MTAs. If such an RBL is created and takes off, I'd be very interested in allowing people to slave the zone and host it locally. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
In article <570336ea-8179-23c2-6a8c-1fa95380e...@stefan-neufeind.de> you write: >Does somebody know of a list of domains that are known to not run >email-services anymore these days? A lot of them have been turned into spamtraps after rejecting mail for a year or so. For obvious reasons, the people using them will not tell you what they are. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
Hi, maybe at least some good describing comment, if possible also links pointing to an official shutdown or reasons why some domain is not used anymore (for emails). Another good example might be gmail.de which nowadays belongs to Google but was never actively used for emails. Instead most people from Germany I saw simply confused @gmail.com with the domain-ending .de they were used to - and the usual fix might be to try gmail.com instead. Other cases are freemail-providers from long ago that closed doors - though we'd still need to question if at least some internal addresses (info, hostmaster, ...) might still be reachable. A missing MX and no reachable smtp-service for some time (not a temporary downtime) might also be good indicators imho. We've seen hanging in mailqueues with "Connection timed out" (because there was a valid A-record but no smtp-service reachable) until finally bouncing. I'll be happy to contribute to such a list. Kind regards, Stefan On 1/8/19 6:13 PM, Mathieu Bourdin wrote: > Hi there, > > Would be happy to jump on that too and help, I was just talking about this > very topic with a collegue this morning, It would be useful so often to have > this kind of resource to just point to our customer when we talk about list > hygiene... you know: > "hey, please do take action as your so called clean and updated list has some > is trying to necroanimate lots of dead addresses" > And "Voila" as we say in French (I think most French senders will catch the > pun) > > What would the criteria be to add domain on such a list? Time since > deactivation? Average amount of addresses found in lists? > > Mathieu Bourdin. > > -Message d'origine- > De : mailop De la part de Benjamin BILLON > Envoyé : mardi 8 janvier 2019 17:56 > À : Stefan Neufeind ; mailop@mailop.org > Objet : Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? > > I'd be interested in that too. > As I'm not aware of such list, what about just starting it from scratch? We > could put it on Wikipedia or anywhere else where it makes sense, and where we > would have history and versioning. > > I recently saw a few domains decommissioned for years, and they still have a > MX record as of today. > > -- > Benjamin > > -Original Message----- > From: mailop On Behalf Of Stefan Neufeind > Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 17:44 > To: mailop@mailop.org > Subject: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? > > Hi, > > from time to time I stumble across (former?) large mail-domains, including > for example vr-web.de, eunet.at und some others. Those domains also include > some freemails of "former days". of which quite a number don't run > email-services anymore. > > Does somebody know of a list of domains that are known to not run > email-services anymore these days? Such domains usually don't have an > MX-entry, but most still have an A-record since they want to redirect to some > website. Technically having an A-record is sufficient to be able to receive > emails though I expect most people "seriously" running email-services will > then also provide MX-records "just to be sure". > > > Kind regards, > Stefan ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
Hi there, Would be happy to jump on that too and help, I was just talking about this very topic with a collegue this morning, It would be useful so often to have this kind of resource to just point to our customer when we talk about list hygiene... you know: "hey, please do take action as your so called clean and updated list has some is trying to necroanimate lots of dead addresses" And "Voila" as we say in French (I think most French senders will catch the pun) What would the criteria be to add domain on such a list? Time since deactivation? Average amount of addresses found in lists? Mathieu Bourdin. -Message d'origine- De : mailop De la part de Benjamin BILLON Envoyé : mardi 8 janvier 2019 17:56 À : Stefan Neufeind ; mailop@mailop.org Objet : Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? I'd be interested in that too. As I'm not aware of such list, what about just starting it from scratch? We could put it on Wikipedia or anywhere else where it makes sense, and where we would have history and versioning. I recently saw a few domains decommissioned for years, and they still have a MX record as of today. -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Stefan Neufeind Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 17:44 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? Hi, from time to time I stumble across (former?) large mail-domains, including for example vr-web.de, eunet.at und some others. Those domains also include some freemails of "former days". of which quite a number don't run email-services anymore. Does somebody know of a list of domains that are known to not run email-services anymore these days? Such domains usually don't have an MX-entry, but most still have an A-record since they want to redirect to some website. Technically having an A-record is sufficient to be able to receive emails though I expect most people "seriously" running email-services will then also provide MX-records "just to be sure". Kind regards, Stefan ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
+1 in being interested in that documentation. I have a relatively small list based on shutdown announcements from industry blog posts, e.g. what Al Iverson has compiled here: https://www.spamresource.com/search/label/dead%20domains On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Benjamin BILLON wrote: > I'd be interested in that too. > As I'm not aware of such list, what about just starting it from scratch? > We could put it on Wikipedia or anywhere else where it makes sense, and > where we would have history and versioning. > > I recently saw a few domains decommissioned for years, and they still have > a MX record as of today. > > -- > Benjamin > > -Original Message- > From: mailop On Behalf Of Stefan Neufeind > Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 17:44 > To: mailop@mailop.org > Subject: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? > > Hi, > > from time to time I stumble across (former?) large mail-domains, including > for example vr-web.de, eunet.at und some others. Those domains also > include some freemails of "former days". of which quite a number don't run > email-services anymore. > > Does somebody know of a list of domains that are known to not run > email-services anymore these days? Such domains usually don't have an > MX-entry, but most still have an A-record since they want to redirect to > some website. Technically having an A-record is sufficient to be able to > receive emails though I expect most people "seriously" running > email-services will then also provide MX-records "just to be sure". > > > Kind regards, > Stefan > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > -- David Landers Deliverability Operations Specialist | GROUPON dland...@groupon.com ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
I'd be interested in that too. As I'm not aware of such list, what about just starting it from scratch? We could put it on Wikipedia or anywhere else where it makes sense, and where we would have history and versioning. I recently saw a few domains decommissioned for years, and they still have a MX record as of today. -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Stefan Neufeind Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 17:44 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains? Hi, from time to time I stumble across (former?) large mail-domains, including for example vr-web.de, eunet.at und some others. Those domains also include some freemails of "former days". of which quite a number don't run email-services anymore. Does somebody know of a list of domains that are known to not run email-services anymore these days? Such domains usually don't have an MX-entry, but most still have an A-record since they want to redirect to some website. Technically having an A-record is sufficient to be able to receive emails though I expect most people "seriously" running email-services will then also provide MX-records "just to be sure". Kind regards, Stefan ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
Hi, from time to time I stumble across (former?) large mail-domains, including for example vr-web.de, eunet.at und some others. Those domains also include some freemails of "former days". of which quite a number don't run email-services anymore. Does somebody know of a list of domains that are known to not run email-services anymore these days? Such domains usually don't have an MX-entry, but most still have an A-record since they want to redirect to some website. Technically having an A-record is sufficient to be able to receive emails though I expect most people "seriously" running email-services will then also provide MX-records "just to be sure". Kind regards, Stefan ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
