Re: [mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP?
I mentioned this to Ian offline, but I'll mention it here, too. I would be happy to try relaying for small hobbyist senders; feel free to reach out if you're interested. (And if you asked before, but I demurred because I wasn't ready, now I think I'm ready.) I've got my own SMTP server handling 1:1 mail for my domains and some newsletter and discussion mail, and I rarely have any deliverability issues. So, relaying through a server like mine could help in a scenario like this. Cheers, Al On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 7:53 PM Ian Evans via mailop wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 7:33 PM John Levine via mailop, > wrote: >> >> It appears that Grant Taylor via mailop said: >> >-=-=-=-=-=- >> >-=-=-=-=-=- >> > >> >On 10/30/22 5:35 PM, Ian Evans via mailop wrote: >> >> DO admits their IP reputation sucks and so won't intervene with >> >> vadesecure on behalf of my IP. >> > >> >I'm surprised and disappointed that Digital Ocean won't do anything to >> >vouch for "yes, this customer is using this IP, and has been for $TIME". >> >> I get so much spam from DO that I've blocked all of their ranges, with >> no user complaints so far. I would not dream of putting a mail server there. >> >> There are plenty of smaller places with a clue. I like Tektonix, small, >> good customer services. >> > > Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give them a look. >> >> > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop -- Al Iverson / Deliverability blogging at www.spamresource.com Subscribe to the weekly newsletter at wombatmail.com/sr.cgi DNS Tools at xnnd.com / (312) 725-0130 / Chicago (Central Time) ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP?
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 7:33 PM John Levine via mailop, wrote: > It appears that Grant Taylor via mailop said: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >On 10/30/22 5:35 PM, Ian Evans via mailop wrote: > >> DO admits their IP reputation sucks and so won't intervene with > >> vadesecure on behalf of my IP. > > > >I'm surprised and disappointed that Digital Ocean won't do anything to > >vouch for "yes, this customer is using this IP, and has been for $TIME". > > I get so much spam from DO that I've blocked all of their ranges, with > no user complaints so far. I would not dream of putting a mail server > there. > > There are plenty of smaller places with a clue. I like Tektonix, small, > good customer services. > > Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give them a look. > > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP?
It appears that Grant Taylor via mailop said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >On 10/30/22 5:35 PM, Ian Evans via mailop wrote: >> DO admits their IP reputation sucks and so won't intervene with >> vadesecure on behalf of my IP. > >I'm surprised and disappointed that Digital Ocean won't do anything to >vouch for "yes, this customer is using this IP, and has been for $TIME". I get so much spam from DO that I've blocked all of their ranges, with no user complaints so far. I would not dream of putting a mail server there. There are plenty of smaller places with a clue. I like Tektonix, small, good customer services. R's, John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP?
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 1:32 PM Grant Taylor via mailop, wrote: > On 10/30/22 5:35 PM, Ian Evans via mailop wrote: > > DO admits their IP reputation sucks and so won't intervene with > > vadesecure on behalf of my IP. > > I'm surprised and disappointed that Digital Ocean won't do anything to > vouch for "yes, this customer is using this IP, and has been for $TIME". > Oddly enough the first line of support person said that DO would be able do that. However, that would require Vade getting in touch with the abuse address. They suggested using a service like sendgrid and sent an article from the Digitalocean site titled "Why you might not want to host an email server." After some further discussion there might be a workaround between the two companies' supports so I'll give that a try today. Thanks for the tip on SPFBL's service. I'll look that up. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP?
On 10/30/22 5:35 PM, Ian Evans via mailop wrote: DO admits their IP reputation sucks and so won't intervene with vadesecure on behalf of my IP. I'm surprised and disappointed that Digital Ocean won't do anything to vouch for "yes, this customer is using this IP, and has been for $TIME". I'm new to this list, so is there a thread in the archives that might discuss VPS hosts with clean IPs? There are occasionally threads about small email servers. See the recent "the oligarchy has won" thread and the recent T-Online / Orange default block threads. Is it better to use an external SMTP provider whose whole biz is having clean IPs? That depends, what do you consider to be "better"? Do you mean less of your time / effort? Or do you mean fighting for the right to self host email? Aside: Check out SPFBL's allow list service. I spent the one-time $3 per IP to list my two VPSs. I consider the price low enough that it's reasonable for me as an individual to be able to do. Read: It's within my reach. I don't like the idea of needing to pay, but I think it is a small amount that demonstrates that I'm serious about trying to run a good mail server. At least more so than those that won't pay. https://spfbl.net/en/dnsal/ -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP?
I personally have good luck with IONOS hosting for $10/month. When I first started I had problems with AT&T but I was able to resolved and since it's been quiet. I see a lot of crap plus pop3/smtp/imap login attempts from Digital Ocean for what it's worth. I have my actual mail server at home and use the host instance as a smart host to relay email in and out bound. Lyle On 10/30/22 18:35, Ian Evans via mailop wrote: I've been hosting my site and small postfix server (me and the missus are the only accts) on Digitalocean since 2013. Recently emails sent to a friend have started being rejected by Vadesecure, which is used by their domain. That's really the only problem I've had with deliveries in all this time. DO admits their IP reputation sucks and so won't intervene with vadesecure on behalf of my IP. My friend is literally the only acct I have problems sending to and I realize I could just use this gmail account, but this has become more of project because I just want my self-hosted email server to be 100%. I'm new to this list, so is there a thread in the archives that might discuss VPS hosts with clean IPs? Is it better to use an external SMTP provider whose whole biz is having clean IPs? Thanks for any pointers. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP?
It appears you’ve come to the right place if you run a two user email server and want to stick it to the man. From: mailop on behalf of Ian Evans via mailop Date: Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 7:40 PM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP? I've been hosting my site and small postfix server (me and the missus are the only accts) on Digitalocean since 2013. Recently emails sent to a friend have started being rejected by Vadesecure, which is used by their domain. That's really the only problem I've had with deliveries in all this time. DO admits their IP reputation sucks and so won't intervene with vadesecure on behalf of my IP. My friend is literally the only acct I have problems sending to and I realize I could just use this gmail account, but this has become more of project because I just want my self-hosted email server to be 100%. I'm new to this list, so is there a thread in the archives that might discuss VPS hosts with clean IPs? Is it better to use an external SMTP provider whose whole biz is having clean IPs? Thanks for any pointers. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] Recommendations for host with good IP reputation or use external SMTP?
I've been hosting my site and small postfix server (me and the missus are the only accts) on Digitalocean since 2013. Recently emails sent to a friend have started being rejected by Vadesecure, which is used by their domain. That's really the only problem I've had with deliveries in all this time. DO admits their IP reputation sucks and so won't intervene with vadesecure on behalf of my IP. My friend is literally the only acct I have problems sending to and I realize I could just use this gmail account, but this has become more of project because I just want my self-hosted email server to be 100%. I'm new to this list, so is there a thread in the archives that might discuss VPS hosts with clean IPs? Is it better to use an external SMTP provider whose whole biz is having clean IPs? Thanks for any pointers. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
