Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[Alessio Cecchi via mailop]

Il 20/09/22 21:09, Michael Ellis via mailop ha scritto:


Anyone have a suggestion for a good cloud email provider with good 
deliverability and control over their customers?


I suggest the company we I'm work Qboxmail (www.qboxmail.com). We are 
focus on email hosting with white label for resellers.


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Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[Laura Atkins via mailop]

> On 20 Sep 2022, at 20:09, Michael Ellis via mailop  wrote:
> 
> Anyone have a suggestion for a good cloud email provider with good 
> deliverability and control over their customers?
>  
> My client asked and said:
> The big three seem to be Google, Microsoft, or Amazon. I expect that Google 
> would be good but they are the most expensive and I have concerns about them 
> reading every email that goes through. I use a lot of Microsoft software but 
> I have mixed feelings about the company. They can make some good products, 
> but they also screw up regularly and are difficult to work with. Amazon is an 
> amazing company and I’m doing more and more business with them, even though I 
> worry about them becoming too dominate. Their SES email has terrible 
> deliverability, from what I’ve seen, but I don’t know much about their 
> regular mailbox service. Do you know how their deliverability is?

Amazon SES delivery is fine for senders who are doing the right things. I have 
had multiple clients using Amazon SES shared IP pools (including one that is 
sending in the 10s of millions range per day) over the last few years and have 
not seen any universal problem with reputation and delivery. I can see the 
reputation of the IPs in Google Postmaster Tools and there’s no real problem 
with their IP rep. Even my clients that are using the default 5321.from domain 
are seeing good inboxing and few delivery problems for decent senders. Clients 
are both B2B and B2C, which covers a lot of different filtering types. 

If you’re looking for mail hosting, I generally recommend Fastmail for folks 
looking for mail hosting. It’d be where we’d move, but we have some special 
needs in terms of filters and they (understandably) can’t accommodate that. 



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Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[John Levine via mailop]

It appears that Michael Ellis via mailop  said:
>Anyone have a suggestion for a good cloud email provider with good
>deliverability and control over their customers?

My suggestions would be Fastmail and Tucows' white label mail.

For Tucows you need to be (or find) a reseller but there are a lot of us.

R's,
John
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Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[Jay Hennigan via mailop]

On 9/20/22 13:59, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:



On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jay Hennigan via mailop 
mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:



Is there an option to disable that behavior?


https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10079371 



Yes, and apparently they are off by default in Europe now?  Though, from 
reading that, I'm not sure if it would have changed to off and need to be
re-enabled, or whether that's just new accounts.  Looks like it will 
prompt to enable in Europe/Japan, but automatically enabled elsewhere.


Way cool that the user has the choice.

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Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[Michael Ellis via mailop]

My thanks to everyone who replied! I have offered the suggestions

 

How I mentioned I love the collegiate atmosphere here?

 

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On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jay Hennigan via mailop  
wrote:

On 9/20/22 13:19, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:

> otoh, if that's not what they mean by "reading email", then I guess the 
> rest of the smarts that read email are still there, as this article 
> points out:
> 
> https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-gmail-ads-emails-1202477321/ 
> <https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-gmail-ads-emails-1202477321/>
> 
> Is gmail really still alone in that now?  Automatically populating your 
> calendar with airline reservations and the like?

Is there an option to disable that behavior?

 

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10079371

 

Yes, and apparently they are off by default in Europe now?  Though, from 
reading that, I'm not sure if it would have changed to off and need to be

re-enabled, or whether that's just new accounts.  Looks like it will prompt to 
enable in Europe/Japan, but automatically enabled elsewhere.

 

https://support.google.com/a/answer/10095404 so yes, it can be controlled by 
the admin as well.

 

The user's gmail settings screen, there are more specific settings to control 
various specific smart features.

 

The terms of service and privacy policies are also different between consumer 
and Workspace, which also affects how the smart stuff works.

 

Brandon 

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Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[Brandon Long via mailop]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jay Hennigan via mailop 
wrote:

> On 9/20/22 13:19, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:
>
> > otoh, if that's not what they mean by "reading email", then I guess the
> > rest of the smarts that read email are still there, as this article
> > points out:
> >
> >
> https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-gmail-ads-emails-1202477321/
>  >
> >
> > Is gmail really still alone in that now?  Automatically populating your
> > calendar with airline reservations and the like?
>
> Is there an option to disable that behavior?
>

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10079371

Yes, and apparently they are off by default in Europe now?  Though, from
reading that, I'm not sure if it would have changed to off and need to be
re-enabled, or whether that's just new accounts.  Looks like it will prompt
to enable in Europe/Japan, but automatically enabled elsewhere.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/10095404 so yes, it can be controlled
by the admin as well.

The user's gmail settings screen, there are more specific settings to
control various specific smart features.

The terms of service and privacy policies are also different between
consumer and Workspace, which also affects how the smart stuff works.

Brandon
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Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[Jay Hennigan via mailop]

On 9/20/22 13:19, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:

otoh, if that's not what they mean by "reading email", then I guess the 
rest of the smarts that read email are still there, as this article 
points out:


https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-gmail-ads-emails-1202477321/ 


Is gmail really still alone in that now?  Automatically populating your 
calendar with airline reservations and the like?


Is there an option to disable that behavior?


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Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[Al Iverson via mailop]

I'd look at Fastmail. That's where I'd go if I wanted to avoid Google,
and if I didn't want to set up my own server.

Cheers,
Al

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 2:59 PM Michael Ellis via mailop
 wrote:
>
> Anyone have a suggestion for a good cloud email provider with good 
> deliverability and control over their customers?
>
>
>
> My client asked and said:
>
> The big three seem to be Google, Microsoft, or Amazon. I expect that Google 
> would be good but they are the most expensive and I have concerns about them 
> reading every email that goes through. I use a lot of Microsoft software but 
> I have mixed feelings about the company. They can make some good products, 
> but they also screw up regularly and are difficult to work with. Amazon is an 
> amazing company and I’m doing more and more business with them, even though I 
> worry about them becoming too dominate. Their SES email has terrible 
> deliverability, from what I’ve seen, but I don’t know much about their 
> regular mailbox service. Do you know how their deliverability is?
>
>
>
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Re: [mailop] Email Cloud Providers

[Brandon Long via mailop]

While I doubt our say so will have much affect, Gmail hasn't scanned email
for ads since 2017, and that was consumer, GSuite/Workspace/GAFYD/etc I
think didn't have it ever, though there were versions of that (EDU and for
ISPs) that may have (looks like EDU was disabled in 2014)

https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/

https://cloud.googleblog.com/2014/04/protecting-students-with-google-apps.html

hmm, this also mentions no ads for GApps but it's a month later but
references the earlier one, not sure if that's announcing a new thing or
what.

https://cloud.googleblog.com/2014/05/protecting-google-apps-customers-and.html

otoh, if that's not what they mean by "reading email", then I guess the
rest of the smarts that read email are still there, as this article points
out:

https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-gmail-ads-emails-1202477321/

Is gmail really still alone in that now?  Automatically populating your
calendar with airline reservations and the like?

Anyways, I think FastMail is usually put in the next tier of providers.  I
know there are other small business ones like Zoho.

Brandon






On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 12:58 PM Michael Ellis via mailop 
wrote:

> Anyone have a suggestion for a good cloud email provider with good
> deliverability and control over their customers?
>
>
>
> My client asked and said:
>
> The big three seem to be Google, Microsoft, or Amazon. I expect that
> Google would be good but they are the most expensive and I have concerns
> about them reading every email that goes through. I use a lot of Microsoft
> software but I have mixed feelings about the company. They can make some
> good products, but they also screw up regularly and are difficult to work
> with. Amazon is an amazing company and I’m doing more and more business
> with them, even though I worry about them becoming too dominate. Their SES
> email has terrible deliverability, from what I’ve seen, but I don’t know
> much about their regular mailbox service. Do you know how their
> deliverability is?
>
>
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