MI exportation de mise en page sous mapinfo

2000-09-22 Thread laurent Frilleux



Bonjour,

Lorsque j'exporte des mises en pages sous différents formats 
(wmf, jpg,bmp...), du texte sort des cadres de bordures. 
Ma configuration matériel est la suivante : 


écran iiyama 19' avec comme carte graphique la Matrox 
millenium G400 AGP
la version Matrox power desk est la 4.22
et la version du pilote d'affichage est la 4.00.1381.4220 
(4.22.081)
la mémoire est de 32 M

La résolution semble jouer un rôle important dans ce problème car je suis 
avec le 19' en 1280*1024 mais si je mets à la place un 17' en 1024*768 
l'exportation des mises en pages se passe sans problèmes.

Le support technique de matrox ne pense pas que la carte soit en cause, 
celui d'ADDE pense le contraire.

J'aimerai donc avoir votre opinion si jamais vous avez été confrontés à ce 
problème.


Merci beaucoup


Laurent FrilleuxSTRATEGIS SAZolad Mini Parc, Bat 
2912 rue de la Croix Verte34198 MONTPELLIER Cedex 
504-67-41-68-41


MI RE: MobileLBSList: GIS and Wireless PDAs - MapInfo versus ESRI

2000-09-22 Thread Jaak Laineste


I don't think that porting a desktop software, either MapInfo Pro, ArcView
or any smaller packages is good way to make solutions for big public market.
These are just like strange plugins for netscape, nobody uses them because
nobody wants to use service which can't be accessed very simply. There could
be some tools for specialists like ArcPad, but WAP seems to be only way to
go to mass market with GIS solutions. I try to describe our way of using
MapInfo and Oracle technologies for a wireless application. This has acually
been very effective way to have a working solution, so maybe it gives some
good ideas.
- We've made a mapserver using MapXtreme, and added wbmp support for WAP
pages (there is just a stand-alone gif2wbmp converter for that). Mapserver
can show maps and add mobile positioning data to maps.
- Underlying database is Oracle8i, which contains positioning data and
Yellow Pages data, geocoded in Spatial format. Actually most of map data
(static one) is still in MapInfo tab files.
- There are quite simple basic "find nearest" and "find route" functions
within Oracle8i database, to prioritise presented data.
- MapInfo+Oracle alliance is used for just one thing - there is nice tool
(easyloader) for uploading MapInfo data to Oracle8i spatial database.
Actually, the easyloader can be downloaded from mapinfo testdrive web page
for free ;-) Maybe MapXtreme (MapX within it) can also load spatial data
directly to map, but it seems that using database application to read
geometry from database and add to map "manually" is safer and probably
faster too.

You can see it at wap.locategsm.com (the site asks your phone number and
some password to do positioning, but if you just don't enter anything and
just click GO then you can get to most things, or see Help page to look at
several demo positionings). The positioning tool is currently Ericsson's
MPC, so the accuracy is as good as it can be with CGI-TA technology.

Jaak Laineste
Regio/Locategsm

 -Original Message-
 From: Neil Havermale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:21 AM
 To: 'Alistair Edwardes'
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: RE: MobileLBSList: GIS and Wireless PDAs - MapInfo versus ESRI


 For you "mobilebslist"ers interested in GIS we "mapinfo-l"ers have an
 interest in wireless..

 We MapInfo GISers are very curious about the pending wireless era. I guess
 the thread that we pickup on in the G3 thing is that one of the increasing
 common features on WEB sites are maps and instructions on how to
 get to some
 place (if you know where your are) - a Yellow Pages with
 instructions on how
 to get there. There are a number of internet and intranet designs we could
 go on about.

 The PDA GIS model we are concerned with is the difference between the ESRI
 ArcPad which is a tiny(?) WinCE PDA stand alone GIS for heads-up feet-down
 GISing and note taking versus the MapInfo design of I what I may reference
 as GIS-just-in-time via the wireless revolution.

 For MapInfo the key technology is MapInfo's alliance with Oracle.
  Oracle as
 you may know is really pushing the envelope to provide wireless access to
 their 8i and now 9i Oracle WEB data servers.  While 2MB+ G3 remains a
 glimmer in eyes of the stock market, it offers to the PDA form of wireless
 access, a very powerful and enabling GIS opportunity.

 I doubt I will ever carry a GIS in my mobile phone but I just might carry
 access to a powerful GIS via my wireless PDA.

 I don't know what the "LBS" thing is other than potentially a reference to
 how much a person can carry in a pocket?  We MapInfo-ites are a bit new to
 this G3 and wireless thing.  May be you could contribute to our
 discussion?

 MidNight Mapper
 aka Neil

 -Original Message-
 From: Alistair Edwardes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:20 PM
 To: Neil Havermale; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MobileLBSList: GIS and Wireless PDAs - MapInfo versus ESRI


 Neil, Carolyn et al.

 Do you think there is a risk of placing too much importance with
 respect to
 LBS in the PDA Market?

 As the saying goes "All that glisters is not gold". Whilst all the
 multimedia extensions may seem superficially tempting - is this
 really what
 the mass market wants? I think there is a strong argument to say
 that people
 want 'handy' devices that are optimised for making phonecalls, with
 supplementary data features that provide information useful in a mobile
 environment.

 If the supplementary features start to become to obtrusive to the core
 function, for example by draining battery power or increasing the
 complexity
 of interaction, then the device is no longer useful. Of course there are
 proven niche markets for PDAs, especially in areas such as
 forestry and data
 capture where a GIS in the field is exactly what is needed. But in
 comparison to the 1 Billion market that has been quoted, these are niche
 markets. Do people really want to 

RE: Parsing MIF file

2000-09-22 Thread Gangadhar Talawar

Hi Antoine,
I have downloaded the stuffs from mentioned site. Stuffs contains more than 
the expected and simply great.

Thank you very much.

Gangadhar Talawar

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Sent:   Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mapinfo List'
Subject:Re: Parsing MIF file

go to http://pages.infinit.net/danmo/e00/index-mitab.html

Here you can find some informations... and some code in C for translate
mid/mif  to mapinfo formats..

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- Original Message -
From: "Gangadhar Talawar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'Mapinfo List'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:02 AM
Subject: Parsing MIF file


 Hi all,
 Has anybody tried to convert MIF format to some other format?, if so
please send me copy of C/C++ code,
 which parses MIF file.

 You can send your code to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Gangadhar Talawar

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MI Combining Error

2000-09-22 Thread Scott England



I'm trying to combine objects using a column from a 
table and keep getting the error "An error occurred overlaying the objects 
Operation cancelled" when the process gets a certain amount of the way 
through. Can anyone explain what might be wrong ??

TIA,

Scott..


MI Text cosmetics

2000-09-22 Thread David Eagle (WSA Cambridge)

Listers,

In labelling roads with their respective names I have happened upon 
some rather shapely country roads. The labels I have added 
therefore look a little unsightly and angular (they are quite large). Is 
there a tool out there that will allow me to wrap these labels to a 
path (something along the lines of what you can do in Corel Draw)? 
Otherwise my options are to split the text up and position the 
words individually or I may indeed export the lot to Corel Draw...

Any thoughts?

Cheers, Dave

_
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WS Atkins Consultants - East Anglia
Wellbrook Court, Girton Road, Cambridge, CB3 0NA.
Direct Dial Tel: (01223) 814090, Fax: (01223) 277529
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MI Finding the node number of selection in reshape mode

2000-09-22 Thread RegularK

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know if there is a way to get the specific node number of the
currently selected polygon or polyline node in MapBasic?  I am trying to
create an application to input specific coordinates of a polyline or polygon
that has been previously been created.

Kirk Regular
www.gds.nf.net
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MI exporting layout to wmf files

2000-09-22 Thread laurent Frilleux



hello and sorry for my bad english

i am working with mapinfo 6 and i have a problem to export 
layout to wmf files
the text in the layout are outside the frames but when i print 
these layouts the text are styaing inside these frames.

mi screen is an iiyama 19' and the resolution is 
1280*1024
when i use a 17' screen with 1024*768 i don't have 
problems

my graphics cards is a matrox millenium g400 agp

matrox technical support indicate me that the card is ok, 
mapinfo technical support in france (adde) told me the contrary

what can i do to solve this problem ?

Thanks

Laurent FrilleuxSTRATEGIS SAZolad Mini Parc, Bat 
2912 rue de la Croix Verte34198 MONTPELLIER Cedex 
504-67-41-68-41


Re: MI Combining Error

2000-09-22 Thread Mike Hankins



I used to get that error message all the 
time. Since I upgraded to V5.5, have not seen it once. If you 
are using any version prior to v.5.5, you may want to upgrade.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Scott 
  England 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 5:32 
  AM
  Subject: MI Combining Error
  
  I'm trying to combine objects using a column from 
  a table and keep getting the error "An error occurred overlaying the objects 
  Operation cancelled" when the process gets a certain amount of the way 
  through. Can anyone explain what might be wrong ??
  
  TIA,
  
  Scott..


RE: MI MB: Run Command Limitation

2000-09-22 Thread David Booth

There certainly used to be a length limit for the select statement used by
ODBC too.

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David Booth
Senior GIS Officer
Merseyside Information Service

 -Original Message-
 From: Jacques Paris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 21 September 2000 16:18
 To:   Mike Taylor; 'Mapinfo List'
 Subject:  RE: MI MB: Run Command Limitation
 
 I have written the most sophisticated program of all :
 
 dim a,b as string
 onerror goto crash
 a=""
 boucle:
 a=a+"A"
 b="print "++a+
 print len(b)
 run command b
 goto boucle
 goto fin
 crash:
 print "error "+err()
 fin:
 end program
 
 and it gets stuck on a command at 508 characters (error 965, expression
 too
 complex). The run command accepts thus a string of 507characters. That
 would
 be 512 - 5 (let us assume that it is some code id).
 
 Aren't they other places in MI where the 512 character limit is imposed?
 Don't I remember something of the sort with the "where" clause of the SQL
 requester?
 
 
 Jacques PARIS
 
 e-mail[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 For MapInfo support, see the Paris PC Consult enr. site  at
 http://www.total.net/~rparis/gisproducts.htm
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Mike Taylor
 Sent: September 21, 2000 1:04 AM
 To: 'Mapinfo List'
 Subject: RE: MI MB: Run Command Limitation
 
 Hi again
 
 Seems I spat the dummy at the wrong statement.
 I changed the string (from select to print) that I was sending to run
 command. eg,
 From:
 qs = "select ... lots of stuff ... from table into anothertable"
 run command qs
 To:
 qs = "print ""select ... lots of stuff ... from table into
 anothertable"""
 run command qs
 
 This worked fine, so I will change my question to why is this happening
 with
 select??
 The amount of characters seems to be variable as well depending on the
 expression?
 I've attached a program which will generate the problem on my machine.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2000 15:20
 To: 'Mapinfo List'
 Subject: MI MB: Run Command Limitation
 
 
 Hi
 
 I seem to have run into a size limitation on the string you can pass to
 run
 command.  It works when I trim the string down to 421 characters and fails
 (badly, invalid page fault) when it is 422 characters.
 The command also fails when I put it into the mapbasic window of
 professional.
 Is there any workaround for this?
 Why is 422 the magic number?
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Re: MI Combining Error

2000-09-22 Thread Flavio Hendry



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RE: MI MB: Creating and Committing tables (Urgent!)

2000-09-22 Thread David Booth

Hi Chris,

It's nothing to do with the actual file names having spaces in them
(interpreted by Mapinfo as underscores), is it?

For example

long file name.tab

would get opened in MapInfo as

long_file_name

The other possibility is if there was a table with that name and somehow
only some of its component files got deleted (eg no .tab, but .dat and .id
files still present).

-
David Booth
Senior GIS Officer
Merseyside Information Service

 -Original Message-
 From: Martin, Christopher (WSA Telford) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 22 September 2000 10:04
 To:   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject:  MI MB: Creating and Committing tables  (Urgent!)
 
 I've got some code which takes in some data, does some calculations and
 then
 produces a host of other tables...
 e.g.
 
 Select NISLID, R_FLOW, RDNAME, FLOW, FLOW / R_FLOW "Stress_All"
   from x2010dm_TR
   where Flow_Category = 3
   into x2010dm_TR_100plus
 Commit Table x2010dm_TR_100plus As
 "working\96-10dm\x2010dm_TR_100plus.TAB"
 TYPE NATIVE Charset "WindowsLatin1"
 
 When I run this code, I get an error at the Commit Table line: 'File
 "x2101dm_TR_100plus.TAB" does not exist. Unable to create table.'
 
 Old versions of this table exist but aren't read-only or anything.
 However,
 I tried deleting them, but still got the same error message...
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 
 Chris Martin
 GIS Consultant
 WS Atkins Consultants Ltd
 (01952) 201234
 
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Re: MI MapXtreme - Java

2000-09-22 Thread Antoine Gilbert, KOREM

Go to the mapxtreme java web site

http://www.mapxtreme.com/software/mapxtreme/java/index.html

regards
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Subject: MI MapXtreme - Java


 Hello,

 Would any body be able to tell me what features does MapXtreme have ?

 Is it an application developed in pure Java ?

 Does it support wireless GIS applications ?  If so, typically what kind of
 uses does it have in the wireless field ?

 Thanks in advance.

 Regards,
 Preetha.


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Re: MI Animated gif maps

2000-09-22 Thread Steve Wallace

Take a look at www.directionsmag.com in their gallery for some good examples
of animated GIF maps. This one is the best, by Marc Pelosse --
http://www.directionsmag.com/images/mapgallery/88_lg.gif .

You could use about any thematic type you wish, but the one I used in my old
example was a "dot density" thematic. MapInfo Pro implements their dot
density thematic in an interesting way: as long as you are working in the
same window (all at one session?), the random point placement is generated
from a single seed. That means that whenever you change the values driving
the dots, they will always be drawn in the same order, in the same places.

You can use a tool like Animagic (shareware) at
http://www.rtlsoft.com/animagic/ , or Paint Shop Pro (low-cost, commercial)
at www.jasc.com , to paste all your individual frames into one animated GIF.

Try it out.

Steve Wallace
Contributing Editor
Directions Magazine
http://www.directionsmag.com


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 04:43 PM
Subject: MI Animated gif maps



 Does anyone recall an article outlining the creation of
 animated .gif maps using MI output?  I thought it was
 posted some time ago by Steve Wallace at
 http://www.ffbic.com/mapinfo, but the link seems to
 be broken.

 Thanks,
 Rob


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 GIS  Data Management Specialist
 Integrated Pest Management
 Pacific Agri-Food Research Centre
 Agassiz, British Columbia
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MI Web safe colors in MapInfo

2000-09-22 Thread lamber

I am looking for a guide on which of MapInfo's mapper colors
are web-safe.  I tried setting some custom colors in the
map display but the RGB settings that corresponded to hex
setting in a web reference I had do not match the color.

Is there a reference on this or something obvious I am missing?

Robert Lambe
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Re: MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! -No Advertising!!

2000-09-22 Thread cforbes


One Comment about the advertising with the e-mail.

Don't do it!

That's the sort of thing that could run me off from this list faster then
any thing else.

Jack

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MI MapXtremeJava Servlet protocol

2000-09-22 Thread David Corbin

Since MapXtremeJava is now a full java servlet, is there a specification
some where about what the valid argument/combinations to it are?

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Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! -No Advertising!!)

2000-09-22 Thread Bill Thoen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 One Comment about the advertising with the e-mail.
 
 Don't do it!
 
 That's the sort of thing that could run me off from this list faster then any thing 
else.

Would you be willing to pay a subscription fee to get the list
mail then? How do you suggest we afford the service? Would you
prefer twice-yearly fund drives like they do for public
broadcasting?

It's been free because I managed to get a good deal at Colorado
Supernet for the last 6 years. That made it cost so little (and
was helped by some donations and the proceeds of an auction) that
my business carried it these last few years. It cost $14.95/mo
plus my time, which was gladly given because it has also been
good for my business. But SuperNet got bought out by Qwest/US
West, and because SuperNet isn't profitable enough for the big
wheels, the wheels are closing down that service. The hard, cold
Morlocks meet the Eloi of the Internet.

In a perfect world advertising serves to connect people who have
needs to products and services that answer those needs, and
that's the goal we would try to attain. I am all too aware that
in our real world, advertising also tries to *create* needs and
wants and stick a straw into your wallet and suck hard. We all
know that activity sucks, but is there any creative solution that
we can come up with where we can generate enough cash to pay for
the infrastructure we need to make this list a success? Lists do
not live by email alone.

Perhaps we can do a mix of paid subscriptions with no advertising
with some freebie subscriptions that come with a helping thinly
sliced spam. How about the USGS buying up a block and giving them
out to employees? Maybe people with deeper pockets could fund
subscriptions for students who are full of bright ideas, but no
money. Maybe we could charge enough for advertising so that there
wouldn't be many (but if there were none, that wouldn't help) Or
maybe the ads wouldn't be so bad or common anyway. Maybe we could
do a mix of donations, light advertising, auctions, and fund
drives. But all that work takes volunteers or paid staff.

Advertising is the easiest solution. If you don't want it at all,
get creative, and not to put too fine a point on it, put your
money where your mouth is. The form that these will take has not
been decided yet anyway. All that's been talked about is that the
service can be offered and that advertising would be a covenant
way to afford it. 

As Henry D. Thoreau once said, "All great enterprises should be
self-supporting."

How about some ideas instead of complaints?
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MI MapXtreme Java

2000-09-22 Thread David Corbin

I'm trying to get MapXtremeJava set up with Apache.  

When a request is made, here's what shows up in apache error log:

[Fri Sep 22 11:29:15 2000] [error] [client 192.168.100.214] Premature
end of script headers: /mapinfo/com.
mapinfo.mapxtreme.MapXtremeServlet
[Fri Sep 22 11:29:15 2000] [emerg] JServ: ajp12[1]: cannot scan servlet
headers  (500)
[Fri Sep 22 11:29:15 2000] [error] JServ: an error returned handling
request via protocol "ajpv12"  

Any ideas what's not configured correctly?
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RE: MI exporting layout to wmf files

2000-09-22 Thread Lindsay Giles

Bonjour Laurent -
Try this:
Make sure the layout window is not maximised
Resize the layout window so that it is just a little larger than the layout 
frame

Save the layout again as wmf and the text should resize properly. This is 
the way it has worked for earlier versions so I assume that it has not been 
fixed. MapInfo apparently calculates the text size in a layout for wmf in 
relation to the size of the window. I have had good results when following 
this process.

Bonne chance,

Lindsay Giles
Senior GIS Analyst

AXYS Environmental Consulting Ltd
Suite 600-555 4th Ave. SW
Calgary, AB
CANADA
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-Original Message-
From:   laurent Frilleux [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Friday, September 22, 2000 7:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:MI exporting layout to wmf files

hello and sorry for my bad english

i am working with mapinfo 6 and i have a problem to export layout to wmf 
files
the text in the layout are outside the frames but when i print these 
layouts the text are styaing inside these frames.

mi screen is an iiyama 19' and the resolution is 1280*1024
when i use a 17' screen with 1024*768 i don't have problems

my graphics cards is a matrox millenium g400 agp

matrox technical support indicate me that the card is ok, mapinfo technical 
support in france (adde) told me the contrary

what can i do to solve this problem ?

Thanks

Laurent Frilleux
STRATEGIS SA
Zolad Mini Parc, Bat 2
912 rue de la Croix Verte
34198 MONTPELLIER Cedex 5
04-67-41-68-41
  File: ATT4.htm  

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RE: MI Howto setup Oracle8i Spatial to accept Easyloader data

2000-09-22 Thread Justin Akehurst


Thanks to all who helped.

Just for the sake of everyone else trying to figure this out, the steps that 
a person takes to add the mapinfo user to Oracle 8i is outlined in the 
Mapinfo Professional 5.5 book, on page 382 (Chapter 21).  It would have been 
nice to recap this information in the Easyloader documentation, just for the 
record.

-Justin Akehurst

From: James Koennicke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Justin Akehurst' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: MI Howto setup Oracle8i Spatial to accept Easyloader data
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:38:11 -0400

Justin,

I believe that if you grant the user Bob dba privileges with the admin
option, Easyloader will be able to create the MapCatalog without any
problem. Something like:

Grant dba to Bob with admin option;

Hope this helps!

James F. Koennicke
Engineer/Analyst
Vista Information Technologies, Inc.
2195 Fox Mill Road
Herndon, VA 20171

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ph: (703) 561-4132
fax: (703) 561-4160




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From: Justin Akehurst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MI Howto setup Oracle8i Spatial to accept Easyloader data


I have an Oracle 8i database with Spatial option, and I am trying to upload
data into a table with Easyloader 6.5.  I have an oracle user called Bob,
let's say, and I can connect to the database with Bob and a password just
fine.

Easyloader loads up the Tab file, creates a table on the Oracle side, and
uploads the data fine.  I get a table called 'wakingcb' and a table called
'wakingcb_sx_fl6$' (cause that is what we called the table).  Then we get a
bunch of errors saying that username/password was incorrect and 
insufficient

priviledges.

The skimpy documentation mentions something about a
mapinfo.mapinfo_mapcatalog table (which I don't have, since this is a brand
new database) and that it would try to create it if it didn't exist.

What priviledges/grants/users do I have to make or manipulate to get this
data loaded... to me it seems like a user called mapinfo needs to be 
created

in order for this table to be called mapinfo.mapinfo_mapcatalog.

Are there any resources that I can read or go to, to make sure that I have
Oracle set up right for mapinfo to like my Spatial data?

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MI Reply to Mr. Thoen - MapInfo-L is moving! -No Advertising!!)

2000-09-22 Thread cforbes


Mr Thoen,

You have many good points.

The first thing I should say is I do NOT represent the USGS in any way by
being on this list.  That's why You see my home e-mail address unless you
know where to look.  (Maybe that will keep me out of trouble here at work.)

Second, since I am not here on the list as a Rep for them, I am on my own
as far as getting and keeping access to this list.
This means I can not get any financial support  from them to join a paid
list.  (remember I'm speaking for myself.)

I have always tried to be very careful on what I post here because I do
know that USGS can be found in my headers. (except, I guess, this time.)
I have been able a few times to help some one that had a USGS need.   One
thing I used to do, and can start again, is forward any mail that contains
complaints  that pertain  to certain topics.  (SDTS comes to mind)  to
proper people here in the building.  I've always felt that we  could
benefit more if more people here  were aware of some of the complaints I
see.  (Remember this is me, not the USGS talking).

Bosses have come and gone, and I lost those pathways to them, So I haven't
done that for awhile.

Now, Mr Thoen, Finally, I am impressed with the time and effort you took to
give me the lengthy and well thought out reply to my post.

I am convinced.

Send on the adds.

Jack Forbes




   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  


   
 
"Steve Wallace"
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
"Bill Thoen"  
m [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 
Sent by:   cc: 
 
owner-mapinfo-l@lisSubject: Re: Advertising to fund 
MapInfo-L (was  
ts.csn.net MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! 
-No
   Advertising!!)  
 
   
 
09/22/2000 11:20 AM
 
Please respond to  
 
"Steve Wallace"
 
   
 
   
 




One thing to keep in mind: this will not be some generic list server with
advertisements for low-interest credit cards or internet gambling. The host
will be a reputable GIS magazine, and who knows -- you might see an ad for
something you need!

Steve Wallace
Vice President, Operations
Florida Farm Bureau Insurance Co's


- Original Message -
From: "Bill Thoen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is
moving! -No Advertising!!)


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  One Comment about the advertising with the e-mail.
 
  Don't do it!
 
  That's the sort of thing that could run me off from this list faster
then any thing else.

 Would you be willing to pay a subscription fee to get the list
 mail then? How do you suggest we afford the service? Would you
 prefer twice-yearly fund drives like they do for public
 broadcasting?

 It's been free because I managed to get a good deal at Colorado
 Supernet for the last 6 years. That made it cost so little (and
 was helped by some donations and the proceeds of an auction) that
 my business carried it these last few years. It cost $14.95/mo
 plus my time, which was gladly given because it has also been
 good for my business. But SuperNet got bought out by Qwest/US
 West, and because SuperNet isn't profitable enough for the big
 wheels, the wheels are closing down that service. The hard, cold
 Morlocks meet the Eloi of the Internet.

 In a perfect world 

MI Snap option and MapBasic

2000-09-22 Thread RegularK

Hello again,

I thought this would be simple but I can not seem to find a wat to toggle a
window's snap option on and off using MapBasic.  Would someone tell me if
this is possible?

Kirk Regular
www.gds.nf.net
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MI MapXstreme Java needs an X server?

2000-09-22 Thread David Corbin

I'm trying to write a small client that just creates a .GIF file.  I'm
using MapJ.  Whenever I call toFile() or toImage(), I get an exception
from the MapXtreme Java servlet saying it can't connect to an X Server. 
Please don't tell me your software requires that X be installed to work
correctly.  That's not a very effiecient server it it does.
-- 
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Mach Turtle Technologies, Inc.
http://www.machturtle.com
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Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! -No Advertising!!)

2000-09-22 Thread Steve Wallace

One thing to keep in mind: this will not be some generic list server with
advertisements for low-interest credit cards or internet gambling. The host
will be a reputable GIS magazine, and who knows -- you might see an ad for
something you need!

Steve Wallace
Vice President, Operations
Florida Farm Bureau Insurance Co's


- Original Message -
From: "Bill Thoen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is
moving! -No Advertising!!)


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  One Comment about the advertising with the e-mail.
 
  Don't do it!
 
  That's the sort of thing that could run me off from this list faster
then any thing else.

 Would you be willing to pay a subscription fee to get the list
 mail then? How do you suggest we afford the service? Would you
 prefer twice-yearly fund drives like they do for public
 broadcasting?

 It's been free because I managed to get a good deal at Colorado
 Supernet for the last 6 years. That made it cost so little (and
 was helped by some donations and the proceeds of an auction) that
 my business carried it these last few years. It cost $14.95/mo
 plus my time, which was gladly given because it has also been
 good for my business. But SuperNet got bought out by Qwest/US
 West, and because SuperNet isn't profitable enough for the big
 wheels, the wheels are closing down that service. The hard, cold
 Morlocks meet the Eloi of the Internet.

 In a perfect world advertising serves to connect people who have
 needs to products and services that answer those needs, and
 that's the goal we would try to attain. I am all too aware that
 in our real world, advertising also tries to *create* needs and
 wants and stick a straw into your wallet and suck hard. We all
 know that activity sucks, but is there any creative solution that
 we can come up with where we can generate enough cash to pay for
 the infrastructure we need to make this list a success? Lists do
 not live by email alone.

 Perhaps we can do a mix of paid subscriptions with no advertising
 with some freebie subscriptions that come with a helping thinly
 sliced spam. How about the USGS buying up a block and giving them
 out to employees? Maybe people with deeper pockets could fund
 subscriptions for students who are full of bright ideas, but no
 money. Maybe we could charge enough for advertising so that there
 wouldn't be many (but if there were none, that wouldn't help) Or
 maybe the ads wouldn't be so bad or common anyway. Maybe we could
 do a mix of donations, light advertising, auctions, and fund
 drives. But all that work takes volunteers or paid staff.

 Advertising is the easiest solution. If you don't want it at all,
 get creative, and not to put too fine a point on it, put your
 money where your mouth is. The form that these will take has not
 been decided yet anyway. All that's been talked about is that the
 service can be offered and that advertising would be a covenant
 way to afford it.

 As Henry D. Thoreau once said, "All great enterprises should be
 self-supporting."

 How about some ideas instead of complaints?
 --
 - Bill Thoen
 
 GISnet, 1401 Walnut St., Suite C, Boulder, CO  80302
 tel: 303-786-9961, fax: 303-443-4856
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ctmap.com/gisnet
 
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Re: MI MapXstreme Java needs an X server?

2000-09-22 Thread Justin Akehurst

From: David Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MI MapXstreme Java needs an X server?
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:03:18 -0400

I'm trying to write a small client that just creates a .GIF file.  I'm
using MapJ.  Whenever I call toFile() or toImage(), I get an exception
from the MapXtreme Java servlet saying it can't connect to an X Server.
Please don't tell me your software requires that X be installed to work
correctly.  That's not a very effiecient server it it does.

This is a limitation brought about by Java 1.2 and how it renders images.  
The way that people get around this is by obtaining Xvfb from the X 
consortium (http://www.x.org/) and set the DISPLAY variable to point to 
that.

To invoke Xvfb, use this command (as root) :

Xvfb :1 -screen 0 1152x900x8 

then do this command as the user you start your server under
(assuming you are using a Bourne-type shell):

export DISPLAY=":1.0"

Starting MapXtreme's server or Tomcat (which will start the server for you) 
shouldn't have a problem now.

Note: If you are running a flavor of Linux, Xvfb is available as an rpm or 
deb package, if you don't want to compile it from source.  It is usually 
included in a standard installation of X11R6.4

-Justin Akehurst
TerraGraphics, LLC
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Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! -No Advertising!!)

2000-09-22 Thread Brien Green

***
This is a Sample ad, Only a sample ad.
The Advertiser in this add will help you keep this service 
free. 
For a few lines of space all this knowledge and access can remain free.
Thank you for your attention
***


Brien

-Original Message-
From:John Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:55:28 -0400
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving!  
-No Advertising!!)


Bill,

Going back to the early days when you asked for voluntary contributions
would be a start.  I fully appreciate the odious response when you ask
freeloaders for dough on something they believe SHOULD BE FREE.

There are many companies, like mine, that have used the list to further our
business and we SHOULD PAY for it.  There are other companies whose
employees use the list to further their business interests but who, as
employees, have no authority to authorize payment and would be hard pressed
to persuade those who sign the checks that it is a worthwhile investment.

A simple, for a start solution would be to set out a budget and ask for help
in meeting it.  Companies like mine would respond; a lot of folks would not,
but all their contributions to the list make it a valuable business asset
for those of us who would happily pay a fee to keep the list from going
away.

I have no objections to viewing advertising.  I mean, like where do you go
for anything that hasn't got some message wrapped into it?  I just throw out
50% of the Sunday paper and fast forward through the ads on the rental
video. As for the chronic whiners, "Adios, MF".

Best,

- Original Message -
From: Bill Thoen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is
moving! -No Advertising!!)


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  One Comment about the advertising with the e-mail.
 
  Don't do it!
 
  That's the sort of thing that could run me off from this list faster
then any thing else.

 Would you be willing to pay a subscription fee to get the list
 mail then? How do you suggest we afford the service? Would you
 prefer twice-yearly fund drives like they do for public
 broadcasting?

 It's been free because I managed to get a good deal at Colorado
 Supernet for the last 6 years. That made it cost so little (and
 was helped by some donations and the proceeds of an auction) that
 my business carried it these last few years. It cost $14.95/mo
 plus my time, which was gladly given because it has also been
 good for my business. But SuperNet got bought out by Qwest/US
 West, and because SuperNet isn't profitable enough for the big
 wheels, the wheels are closing down that service. The hard, cold
 Morlocks meet the Eloi of the Internet.

 In a perfect world advertising serves to connect people who have
 needs to products and services that answer those needs, and
 that's the goal we would try to attain. I am all too aware that
 in our real world, advertising also tries to *create* needs and
 wants and stick a straw into your wallet and suck hard. We all
 know that activity sucks, but is there any creative solution that
 we can come up with where we can generate enough cash to pay for
 the infrastructure we need to make this list a success? Lists do
 not live by email alone.

 Perhaps we can do a mix of paid subscriptions with no advertising
 with some freebie subscriptions that come with a helping thinly
 sliced spam. How about the USGS buying up a block and giving them
 out to employees? Maybe people with deeper pockets could fund
 subscriptions for students who are full of bright ideas, but no
 money. Maybe we could charge enough for advertising so that there
 wouldn't be many (but if there were none, that wouldn't help) Or
 maybe the ads wouldn't be so bad or common anyway. Maybe we could
 do a mix of donations, light advertising, auctions, and fund
 drives. But all that work takes volunteers or paid staff.

 Advertising is the easiest solution. If you don't want it at all,
 get creative, and not to put too fine a point on it, put your
 money where your mouth is. The form that these will take has not
 been decided yet anyway. All that's been talked about is that the
 service can be offered and that advertising would be a covenant
 way to afford it.

 As Henry D. Thoreau once said, "All great enterprises should be
 self-supporting."

 How about some ideas instead of complaints?
 --
 - Bill Thoen
 
 GISnet, 1401 Walnut St., Suite C, Boulder, CO  80302
 tel: 303-786-9961, fax: 303-443-4856
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ctmap.com/gisnet
 
 --
 To 

Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! -No Advertising!!)

2000-09-22 Thread John Haynes

Bill,

Going back to the early days when you asked for voluntary contributions
would be a start.  I fully appreciate the odious response when you ask
freeloaders for dough on something they believe SHOULD BE FREE.

There are many companies, like mine, that have used the list to further our
business and we SHOULD PAY for it.  There are other companies whose
employees use the list to further their business interests but who, as
employees, have no authority to authorize payment and would be hard pressed
to persuade those who sign the checks that it is a worthwhile investment.

A simple, for a start solution would be to set out a budget and ask for help
in meeting it.  Companies like mine would respond; a lot of folks would not,
but all their contributions to the list make it a valuable business asset
for those of us who would happily pay a fee to keep the list from going
away.

I have no objections to viewing advertising.  I mean, like where do you go
for anything that hasn't got some message wrapped into it?  I just throw out
50% of the Sunday paper and fast forward through the ads on the rental
video. As for the chronic whiners, "Adios, MF".

Best,

- Original Message -
From: Bill Thoen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is
moving! -No Advertising!!)


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  One Comment about the advertising with the e-mail.
 
  Don't do it!
 
  That's the sort of thing that could run me off from this list faster
then any thing else.

 Would you be willing to pay a subscription fee to get the list
 mail then? How do you suggest we afford the service? Would you
 prefer twice-yearly fund drives like they do for public
 broadcasting?

 It's been free because I managed to get a good deal at Colorado
 Supernet for the last 6 years. That made it cost so little (and
 was helped by some donations and the proceeds of an auction) that
 my business carried it these last few years. It cost $14.95/mo
 plus my time, which was gladly given because it has also been
 good for my business. But SuperNet got bought out by Qwest/US
 West, and because SuperNet isn't profitable enough for the big
 wheels, the wheels are closing down that service. The hard, cold
 Morlocks meet the Eloi of the Internet.

 In a perfect world advertising serves to connect people who have
 needs to products and services that answer those needs, and
 that's the goal we would try to attain. I am all too aware that
 in our real world, advertising also tries to *create* needs and
 wants and stick a straw into your wallet and suck hard. We all
 know that activity sucks, but is there any creative solution that
 we can come up with where we can generate enough cash to pay for
 the infrastructure we need to make this list a success? Lists do
 not live by email alone.

 Perhaps we can do a mix of paid subscriptions with no advertising
 with some freebie subscriptions that come with a helping thinly
 sliced spam. How about the USGS buying up a block and giving them
 out to employees? Maybe people with deeper pockets could fund
 subscriptions for students who are full of bright ideas, but no
 money. Maybe we could charge enough for advertising so that there
 wouldn't be many (but if there were none, that wouldn't help) Or
 maybe the ads wouldn't be so bad or common anyway. Maybe we could
 do a mix of donations, light advertising, auctions, and fund
 drives. But all that work takes volunteers or paid staff.

 Advertising is the easiest solution. If you don't want it at all,
 get creative, and not to put too fine a point on it, put your
 money where your mouth is. The form that these will take has not
 been decided yet anyway. All that's been talked about is that the
 service can be offered and that advertising would be a covenant
 way to afford it.

 As Henry D. Thoreau once said, "All great enterprises should be
 self-supporting."

 How about some ideas instead of complaints?
 --
 - Bill Thoen
 
 GISnet, 1401 Walnut St., Suite C, Boulder, CO  80302
 tel: 303-786-9961, fax: 303-443-4856
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ctmap.com/gisnet
 
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Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! -No Advertising!!)

2000-09-22 Thread Eric Frost \(HRA\)

Brien:

ah yeah you throw me I didn't even notice the box and was wondering where your message 
was...

Still it wouldn't my first vote for MapInfo-L to join the rest of the world in having 
that little 
box in every posting..

I think a less intrusive form of sponsorship thing may be easier? Depends how much it 
costs...heck, several people would probably be interested in spending something to be 
this 
quarter's sponsor and have a one-time announcement and also a mention on the archive 
page 
and list description on directions mag...heck yeah depending on the cost my company 
might 
be eager to cover it indefinitely...I'm more concered about filtering out the spam, 
rejecting 
the unsubscribe requests and protecting us from malfunctioning, crazed mail 
servers...not 
sure how that would be coordinated..

I think the eGroups business model where people constantly define new groups which
ebb and flow the ad banner is the appropriate revenue stream? Not my place to say but 
would imagine for DirectionsMag given the comparatively miniscule traffic a quarterly 
sponsorship is better? (on the other hand this is a very targeted audience...i have no 
idea 
what i'm talking about)

Eric

- Original Message - 
From: "Brien Green" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! 
-No Advertising!!)


 ***
 This is a Sample ad, Only a sample ad.
 The Advertiser in this add will help you keep this service 
 free. 
 For a few lines of space all this knowledge and access can remain free.
 Thank you for your attention
 ***
 
 
 Brien
 
 -Original Message-
 From:John Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent:Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:55:28 -0400
 To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is 
moving!  -No Advertising!!)
 
 
 Bill,
 
 Going back to the early days when you asked for voluntary contributions
 would be a start.  I fully appreciate the odious response when you ask
 freeloaders for dough on something they believe SHOULD BE FREE.
 
 There are many companies, like mine, that have used the list to further our
 business and we SHOULD PAY for it.  There are other companies whose
 employees use the list to further their business interests but who, as
 employees, have no authority to authorize payment and would be hard pressed
 to persuade those who sign the checks that it is a worthwhile investment.
 
 A simple, for a start solution would be to set out a budget and ask for help
 in meeting it.  Companies like mine would respond; a lot of folks would not,
 but all their contributions to the list make it a valuable business asset
 for those of us who would happily pay a fee to keep the list from going
 away.
 
 I have no objections to viewing advertising.  I mean, like where do you go
 for anything that hasn't got some message wrapped into it?  I just throw out
 50% of the Sunday paper and fast forward through the ads on the rental
 video. As for the chronic whiners, "Adios, MF".
 
 Best,
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Bill Thoen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:41 AM
 Subject: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is
 moving! -No Advertising!!)
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   One Comment about the advertising with the e-mail.
  
   Don't do it!
  
   That's the sort of thing that could run me off from this list faster
 then any thing else.
 
  Would you be willing to pay a subscription fee to get the list
  mail then? How do you suggest we afford the service? Would you
  prefer twice-yearly fund drives like they do for public
  broadcasting?
 
  It's been free because I managed to get a good deal at Colorado
  Supernet for the last 6 years. That made it cost so little (and
  was helped by some donations and the proceeds of an auction) that
  my business carried it these last few years. It cost $14.95/mo
  plus my time, which was gladly given because it has also been
  good for my business. But SuperNet got bought out by Qwest/US
  West, and because SuperNet isn't profitable enough for the big
  wheels, the wheels are closing down that service. The hard, cold
  Morlocks meet the Eloi of the Internet.
 
  In a perfect world advertising serves to connect people who have
  needs to products and services that answer those needs, and
  that's the goal we would try to attain. I am all too aware that
  in our real world, advertising also tries to *create* needs and
  wants and stick a straw into your wallet and suck hard. We all
  know that activity sucks, but is there any creative solution that
  we can come up with where we can generate enough cash to pay for
  the infrastructure we need to make this list a success? Lists do
  not 

RE: MI Combining Error

2000-09-22 Thread Eric Maranne

It might be coming from a topological error too (ie bowtie)

Have a run with topocheck (download from DirectionsMag site 
www.directionsmag.com/tools top downloads )
BTW : now in english .. and shareware... (I'll think about puttings ads ;)

-Message d'origine-
De: Flavio Hendry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Date:   vendredi 22 septembre 2000 16:17
A:  Scott England; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet:  Re: MI Combining Error

Hi Scott

One thing could be that the table is not packed ... Try to pack it 
(Table/Maintenance). Which version are you using ? (from 5.5 on it should 
be more consistent).

regards
Flavio


*** REPLY SEPARATOR ***

On 22.09.2000 at 11:32 Scott England wrote:
I'm trying to combine objects using a column from a table and keep getting 
the error "An error occurred overlaying the objects Operation cancelled" 
when the process gets a certain amount of the way through.  Can anyone 
explain what might be wrong ??

TIA,

Scott..
xx Announcing the ultimate JavaScript Mapping Solution xx
  !!! Neapoljs: Live on http://www.mapserver.ch 
-
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MI Free Riders versus What is an Ad?

2000-09-22 Thread Neil Havermale

I guess it had to come.  But I think we need to understand just what the
untold rules may be.  (Bill don't get me wrong here, but a point or two
needs to be made... your conduct and intent via this list must be considered
a gem amongst stones.)

Last week another list that also seems to be struggling around to find a
home, GISList, had a poor chap from India looking for what I thought was a
legitimate question about GIS.  One of that list's members felt that since
he exposed the name of his company, email, and WEB and that he was looking
for additional work in the area of GIS (therefore his GIS question), it had
to be self promotion; an AD if you will. (The outcome - the list didn't give
a Hoot, Bill included!)

So now we are about to embark on to the wild side and subscribe with our
soul and $.  Can any one of us use the list as Bill admits "It cost
$14.95/mo plus my time, which was gladly given because it has also been good
for my business."  Well a $14.95 per month advertisement budget for a small
company seems dam reasonable. Ok, pay your $15/month and you too can deliver
all sorts of self serving advice and direct ads? 

Alternatively, what happens if we accept the advertisement model? We give
great answers to difficult questions and heck we get some business from this
just like Bill did?  Worse, what if we step across the line and announce a
product, promote ourselves, or go looking for a hire or job?  What is news,
introductions, offers to help, and lastly what is self/company promotion?
Can wish-lists be tolerated?

The idea of ads on an open and free-form list is fraught with the problem of
free-riders and will only call down the management and their nasty-grams on
us.  If we have to have them, Ads, I say they MUST be at the bottom - NOT
the top!

While I know and trust Bill over the years to leave plenty of room for all
sorts of activity on this list that is totally edited off others and creates
nasty-grams from less tolerant webmasters, I worry that Bill, our gem, may
someday drift away from us now that he has gained his reputation and others
demand his full attentions.  Then what?  Yes, I know that a what if or
maybe

I propose an alternative - possibly MapInfo would sponsor the hosting of the
service as a gift to its partners and leave it up to its freely associated
members to govern content and purpose?  Heck, MapInfo must have saved a
million or two just having the list answering all these questions that tend
to go unanswered once they fall into the black-hole of "that's a revenue
source for support" or Yikes, that's too political - delete it right away",
or ..  in Troy.

Later,
MidNight Mapper
aka neil
9/23/00
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Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L (was MI ANNOUNCEMENT: MapInfo-L is moving! -No Advertising!!)

2000-09-22 Thread Cindy Reid

John's letter, as usual articulate states my point of view as well.  While
I have no major objective to advertising labeled as ADV: or AD: etc as is
now done, I think that the cost might be doable from donations How much
is needed, anyway?


At 12:55 PM 09/22/2000 , you wrote:
Bill,

Going back to the early days when you asked for voluntary contributions
would be a start.  



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MI No Ads, I'm in for $10/year

2000-09-22 Thread Michael Naughton
I have saved many hours at $50-$100/hr with this list. If all of us chipped in the equivelent of $10 per year I'm sure we could keep it free of ads. Or just write some perl code to delete the ads.




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MI Geocoding Lines

2000-09-22 Thread Bob Regier

Hi,
There are a large number of construction projects in our 5-Year capital
plan which are itemized and geocoded in a spreadsheet.  I need to build
a map of these projects from the spread sheet.  The projects that relate
to points with one X Y coordinate (e.g. new traffic lights, etc.) are
easy to generate using Table  Create Points.  It seems to be more
difficult to build projects that relate to lines with two sets of X, Y
coordinates (e.g. new roads or water lines, etc.)

Is there a way to generate lines from a beginning and end point geocoded
in a spread sheet?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Regier
Township of Langley



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MI Re: Advertising to fund MapInfo-L

2000-09-22 Thread INTELLIGIS

In a message dated 09/22/2000 11:51:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill T. 
writes:

How about some ideas for paying the freight for MI List instead of 
complaints?

I've got a great idea!

How about Bill does what Bill thinks best?!  After all, he's been on the 
money (no pun intended) so far

Mark Clute
Intelligis Computer Mapping
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Re: MI Free Riders versus What is an Ad?

2000-09-22 Thread Craig Johnson

I think we all agree that this is an invaluable tool in using these
products.

No one likes adsbut, would you stop watching television?

One of the difficulties that Bill, et.al., have to content with if they
don't
  go the ad routeis just dealing with the reciept and payments if he
takes
  say $10/subscriptionthat is an administrative headache that I suspect
  Bill has little interest in taking up

Ads are easy.
They give us the list.
We can ignore them if we want.
Bill can focus on technology, not accounting.

cj:)

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