Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Thank you, I think this makes a lot of sense. I came across Pandoc when I first learned about Markdown and I like its extended version of Markdown very much, in particular the fact that it supports footnotes and tables (the same goes for Markdown Extra). Unfortunately, none of the tools I use locally (MarkdownHere for Mozilla Thunderbird, MarkdownPad) support any extended versions of Markdown, and I was unable to install Pandoc. I use the MarkdownExtra Dingus or the Try Pandoc page every once in a while, but generally having to use a browser is too much of an interruption to my usual offline workflow. Is there a how to install Pandoc for dummies-type site somewhere? Thomas John MacFarlane, 2012-10-25 03:22: See question 6 here: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/faq.html#what-are-some-big-questions-that-the-markdown-spec-does-not-answer And note that pandoc allows you to create two blockquotes if you leave blank space between, http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A If you want one blockquote with two paragraphs, do it like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%3E%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A Unfortunately the other implementations don't make this distinction. ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Hello everyone, First off, I'm new to this list, so if this has been dealt with before, I apologize. I was unable to find a solution in Google. My question is, how do I insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs so that they are visually separate? I often need to put two or three separate blockquotes in a row, without any regular text between them, but Markdown always renders the HTML output like one long quote. Like this: | Quote #1 [line break followed by empty line or spaces] Quote #2 [line break followed by empty line or spaces] Quote #3| It always ends up looking the same as this: | Quote #1 [regular linebreak] Quote #2 [regular linebreak] Quote #3 [regular linebreak]| So far, I've always put an acute accent ( ´ ) between the quotes, because it was the least obtrusive character I could think of: | Quote #1 [regular linebreak] ´ Quote #2 [regular linebreak] ´ Quote #3 [regular linebreak]| But of course this is still an ugly workaraound. Is there another way to go about this? Looking forward to any hints, Thomas ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Folks, my apologies. Those links seem to break after running through the listserv. Below, I use my URL shortener to give you un-breakable links. My original suggestion to Thomas: http://ajh.us/bmd1 The actual link to the funny lunamark behavior: http://ajh.us/bmd2 Alan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Waylan Limberg way...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Thomas Maibaum thomasmaib...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, First off, I'm new to this list, so if this has been dealt with before, I apologize. I was unable to find a solution in Google. My question is, how do I insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs so that they are visually separate? I often need to put two or three separate blockquotes in a row, without any regular text between them, but Markdown always renders the HTML output like one long quote. Like this: Well, if you don't want the output to be visible, and as Markdown accepts raw html, why not an html comment. Like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%0A%3E+baz You can even eliminate some of the blank lines like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%3E+baz Although that breaks pandoc in strange ways. However, all other implementations handle that fine and you save a few blank lines in your document. The rest are necessary though. -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Another (ugly) option: blockquote quote 1 /blockquote blockquote quote 2 /blockquote blockquote quote 3 /blockquote This is no good, though, if the quotes contain markup of their own, as you'll be forced to write that in HTML too. David On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 at 1:27 PM, Waylan Limberg wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Waylan Limberg way...@gmail.com (mailto:way...@gmail.com) wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Thomas Maibaum thomasmaib...@gmail.com (mailto:thomasmaib...@gmail.com) wrote: Hello everyone, First off, I'm new to this list, so if this has been dealt with before, I apologize. I was unable to find a solution in Google. My question is, how do I insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs so that they are visually separate? I often need to put two or three separate blockquotes in a row, without any regular text between them, but Markdown always renders the HTML output like one long quote. Like this: Well, if you don't want the output to be visible, and as Markdown accepts raw html, why not an html comment. Like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%0A%3E+baz You can even eliminate some of the blank lines like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%3E+baz Although that breaks pandoc in strange ways. However, all other implementations handle that fine and you save a few blank lines in your document. The rest are necessary though. -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net (mailto:Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net) http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Thanks all of you (Alan, Waylan, Hogan)! Oops. That should have been Alan, Waylan, *David*, obviously. ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Scott Granneman, 2012-10-24 23:37: Well, if we’re going with ugly, what’s wrong with the good ol’ fashioned non-breaking space? I for one feel that an empty HTML comment looks slightly less ugly than the text nbsp; in the Markdown text. But as I said, it's a matter of taste. :) Apart from that, I just compared the two methods and I noticed that this... quote text nbsp; quote text ... for some reason creates a *larger* break between the quote parts than this: quote text !-- -- quote text At least using Thunderbird with MarkdownHere, I haven't tried other ways yet. The comment method is more what I expected, but it's good to know that a non-breaking space creates a slightly different output, should I ever need it. Thorsten ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Thomas Maibaum thomasmaib...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from that, I just compared the two methods and I noticed that this... quote text nbsp; quote text ... for some reason creates a *larger* break between the quote parts than this: quote text !-- -- quote text Well, sure it is. A comment is nothing. A non-breaking space is something: a space. That’s why I suggested it. Scott -- R. Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com ~ granneman.tel Full list of publications @ http://www.granneman.com/publications My latest book: Mac OS X for Power Users @ http://www.granneman.com/books “Who is rich? He that is content. Who is that? Nobody.” ---Benjamin Franklin ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Scott Granneman, 2012-10-25 00:14: Well, sure it is. A comment is nothing. A non-breaking space is something: a space. That’s why I suggested it. It wasn't that obvious to me, I have to admit. It seems that a comment is a bit more than nothing, though: After all, it *does* create a break between the paragraphs where previously there was none. But as I said, it's good to know that the non-breaking space creates a *bigger* space than the comment, so thanks for pointing it out. :) Thomas ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
See question 6 here: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/faq.html#what-are-some-big-questions-that-the-markdown-spec-does-not-answer And note that pandoc allows you to create two blockquotes if you leave blank space between, http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A If you want one blockquote with two paragraphs, do it like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%3E%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A Unfortunately the other implementations don't make this distinction. +++ Thomas Maibaum [Oct 24 12 22:09 ]: Hello everyone, First off, I'm new to this list, so if this has been dealt with before, I apologize. I was unable to find a solution in Google. My question is, how do I insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs so that they are visually separate? I often need to put two or three separate blockquotes in a row, without any regular text between them, but Markdown always renders the HTML output like one long quote. Like this: Quote #1 [line break followed by empty line or spaces] Quote #2 [line break followed by empty line or spaces] Quote #3 It always ends up looking the same as this: Quote #1 [regular linebreak] Quote #2 [regular linebreak] Quote #3 [regular linebreak] So far, I've always put an acute accent ( ´ ) between the quotes, because it was the least obtrusive character I could think of: Quote #1 [regular linebreak] ´ Quote #2 [regular linebreak] ´ Quote #3 [regular linebreak] But of course this is still an ugly workaraound. Is there another way to go about this? Looking forward to any hints, Thomas ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:33 PM, David Chambers david.chambers...@gmail.com wrote: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A I love pandoc's approach here. It's logical, and makes it just as trivial to mark up consecutive single-paragraph quotes as it is to mark up a two-paragraph quote. This is exactly the sort of thing that could be profitably discussed were we not bound by the somewhat inconsistent behaviour of the original Perl script. Do others agree that pandoc's treatment of such cases is preferable to the “specified” behaviour? What I'm asking is what others would advocate if we were discussing a hypothetical format with no backwards-compatibility concerns. (Let's not have every discussion derailed by the backwards-compatibility discussion.) :) I already stated my opinion in a separate message on what is proper behavior in markdown, but your not asking about that here. Sure, if I was involved in designing some new inspired-by-markdown-but-not-markdown language, then yes Pandoc's behavior would get my vote in this instance. The thing is, I'm not really interested in designing by committee, and I don't follow this list to consider inspired-by-markdown languages. I follow this list because I maintain a _markdown_ implementation and sometimes support questions for my implementation get asked here - or sometimes inconsistencies in implementation can be worked out - or something like babelmark2 comes along which I want to know about, use, and provide access to my implementation for... (you get the idea). Most anything else is just an annoying distraction to me. Sure, if people want to announce some new markdown related project here - great, I'm glad to see markdown grow. But I'm not interested in filtering through message after message about some hypothetical inspired-by-markdown language that know one is putting any real work into (and if there is real work - great - but that discussion belongs elsewhere). But hey, I'm just one person. What do I know? Maybe my overly busy schedule lately is making me ornery. -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
I guess you're right. I'll leave it in for now, so as not to confuse people trying to follow this discussion, but add a note that points to your post. +++ Waylan Limberg [Oct 24 12 23:23 ]: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:22 PM, John MacFarlane j...@berkeley.edu wrote: See question 6 here: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/faq.html#what-are-some-big-questions-that-the-markdown-spec-does-not-answer And note that pandoc allows you to create two blockquotes if you leave blank space between, Which is clearly in violation of the syntax rules [1]. According to the rules, these two examples are to produce the exact same output: ~~~ This is a blockquote with two paragraphs. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Aliquam hendrerit mi posuere lectus. Vestibulum enim wisi, viverra nec, fringilla in, laoreet vitae, risus. Donec sit amet nisl. Aliquam semper ipsum sit amet velit. Suspendisse id sem consectetuer libero luctus adipiscing. ~~~ and ~~~ This is a blockquote with two paragraphs. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Aliquam hendrerit mi posuere lectus. Vestibulum enim wisi, viverra nec, fringilla in, laoreet vitae, risus. Donec sit amet nisl. Aliquam semper ipsum sit amet velit. Suspendisse id sem consectetuer libero luctus adipiscing. ~~~ Note that the first sentence of each example states that that entire example ... is **a** blockquote with two paragraphs (emphasis added). That states explicitly that it must be interpreted as one blockquote. There is no other interpretation. Pandoc is simply wrong here (even in strict mode - using the above examples from the rules) and I would suggest that John M. should remove that question from his FAQ. Or at least move it to the divergences between implementations section. There is no big question on this issue. As an aside, after seeing John list this as a big question I reread the rules and initially thought it might be a valid question. Other than implying (but not explicitly stating) that the two examples should produce the exact same output, I didn't see any indication in the main text explicitly stating that the second example should produce one blockquote. Only after rereading a second time did I notice that this part of the rule is explicitly stated in the example itself - and only in the example. My point is, it is easy to miss, but that doesn't mean its not part of the rule - or that it can be interpreted in multiple ways. [1]: http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#blockquote -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
