Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?
On 4/17/19 9:11 PM, Roland Hummel wrote:
> "Yes, LO is nice but it won't beat MS Office because in MSO we will have
> artificial intelligence".
If the battlefield is functionality, and AI is important,in 2018, the
five most important AI programming languages were:
* Python;
* LISP;
* C++;
* Java;
* Prolog;
Two (Three? I'm not sure about C++) are built-in macro languages. LISP
and Prolog are easy enough to add.
There is documentation on installing and using R as a macro language.
Which underscores that the big issue in the functionality war, is not
what is available, but rather, the knowledge that the features are
available, and how to use them.
_TL;DR: Documentation, not implementation._
I'm not sure why being able to grab LinkedIn resumes from within Excel
is a good thing, but that is the type of functionality that Microsoft is
adding. IMNSHO, this type of functionality is best provided by extension
developers.
End users can more easily customize LibO, than MSO, etc.
> base of any argumentation because it is the only superior starting position
> LO has.
For most organizations, ethics is nothing more than a feel-good talking
point. Something that is neither implemented, nor observed.
As such, appeals based on ethical principles fall upon deaf ears.
> Starting from software freedom any further argumentation will convince (at
> least in societies claiming freedom as fundamental part of a society):
> -because LO is freedom respecting it is secure
> -because LO is freedom respecting it is privacy respecting
> -because LO is freedom respecting it serves the user
> -because LO is freedom respecting it is sustainable
Neither people nor organizations are concerned about those things, until
they discover that their data has been passed on to nefarious third
parties, by their software vendor.
A white paper showing how LibO meets requirements for various privacy
related legislation might be useful here.
Whilst such a paper might make LibreOffice Cloud Edition look bad, the
quasi-redeeming feature is that the user can control the cloud that it
is installed on.
> In this way LO will convince governments, companies, the educational sector
> and NGOs,
The question to be addressed here, is "Who can be sued, if things go
wrong?"
Whilst Microsoft's _Terms and Conditions_ claim no liability, that
doesn't prevent support companies from being sued, when things go wrong.
This is where a lawyer is needed, to explain either who could
sucessfully be sued, if LibO goes wrong, or why such a lawsuit would not
be filable in the first place.
>not by trying to convince users in a perspective that is already totally lost
>to the proprietary sector ("functionality"
The functionality issue will be over, when you can pick up _LibreOffice
For Managing you Futures Portfolio: Shorts, Straddles, Puts, and
Candlesticks_ at your local Office Depot, or _Asteroid Hunting using
LibreOffice_ at your local _Books a Million_.
(I've only slightly changed the titles of books about Excel, that I've
seen in bookstores.)
>aka "but MS Office is so easy to use").
Familiarity, not ease of use.
jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?
Dear Jonathan and Drew,
On 4/17/19 5:28 PM, jonathon wrote:> On 4/16/19 9:42 AM, Nigel Verity wrote:
> Possibly outside the scope of LibO:
> * The why of FLOSS;
> * The virtue of open standards;
"the why of FLOSS" and "The virtue of open standards" is surely better
explained in https://u.fsf.org/user-liberation/ and
https://publiccode.eu but a promo video for LO should be based on a
convincing explanation why LO is a "best practice" of using FLOSS, because:
On 4/17/19 1:53 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> For what it is worth:
>
> I would like to see some marketing material which does not even mention
> FOSS.
FLOSS is the only unique feature of LO in comparison of MS Office. All
other ideas both of you mentioned tend to point on *functional*
attributes of LO. An argumentation for LO that only use a functional
perspective will drop its "strongest weapon" in debates whether to go
for LO or MS Office, because MSO which will always be stronger in
functional perspective (more money, more developers, more market power).
I've experienced this in the last debate with decision makers of my
university: "Yes, LO is nice but it won't beat MS Office because in MSO
we will have artificial intelligence". The question is not if this is
true or not - the question is, if the "battlefield of functionality" is
the one LO will be able to beat Microsoft, Adobe etc. and its cloud
universes.
The real power of LO comes from being digital freedom instead of being a
"digital north korea" like Adobe and Microsoft - and this should be the
base of any argumentation because it is the only superior starting
position LO has. Starting from software freedom any further
argumentation will convice (at least in societies claiming freedom as
fundamental part of a society):
-because LO is freedom respecting it is secure
-because LO is freedom respecting it is privacy rescpecting
-because LO is freedom respecting it serves the user
-because LO is freedom respecting it is sustainable
In this way LO will convince governments, companies, the educational
sector and NGOs, not by trying to convince users in a perspective that
is already totally lost to the proprietary sector ("functionality" aka
"but MS Office is so easy to use").
Best regards
Roland
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?
On 4/16/19 9:42 AM, Nigel Verity wrote: > That is a very interesting point. Perhaps the challenge is to create a > promotional video which appeals to both corporates and private individuals in > equal measure. Multiple videos, each focussing upon a different target audience: * BAILS/TSCP, security, and related features: Military and para-military organizations; * Linguistic diversity/ease of adding language support: Sspell checking, grammar checking, UI, documentation: First Nation Language advocates; * Privacy: Calls home only if you check the appropriate box, and then only when something goes wrong; * Crafting Work Product: How the different components work together, to produce great documents: # Demonstration of R being used as the macro language for Calc, ideally using a statistical technique that was only discovered/announced last week; # The process of writing the great American novel, proof reading, indexing, creating the front cover, and finally exporting everything as an ePub uploaded to SmashWords for public distribution as a retail book; Possibly outside the scope of LibO: * The why of FLOSS; * The virtue of open standards; ^1: The big issue is finding a language that pop-culture will recognize, whose franchise owner won't file a copyright infringement lawsuit. Which nixes Star Trek, Star Gate, Star Wars, Avatar, Game of Thrones, and Lord of the Rings. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?
Hi Drew, all, Drew Jensen wrote on 4/17/19 3:49 PM: > So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of being > found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' or > something similar. Thanks for bringing this up :) Three thoughts: Initially, it can be a good idea. Maybe. I guess it can help grow market. Maintaining lists, is often a problem we know. Especially since... how can we find the new/existing locations? Please note by the way, that there is Collabora Online and LibreOffice Online. Similar function wise, but different in support probably. Will it, when people know about it and start to search, ask at providers e.g., have a stimulating effect? greetings, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org - Member Board The Document Foundation - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijncloudoffice.nl -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?
Howdy Jonathon, Well, one thing about that. The Collabora site offers appliances ready to go and some decent docs on how to set them. What is missing, or maybe simply that I've missed, is details about administration for an in house cloud. As for NextCloud so for every instance I've found has been as an addon for NextCloud, which I think makes real sense, because from what I can see not having NextCloud of something like it as a wrapper doesn't make much sense. One source for information has been presentations from Micheal Meeks primarily. For instance I just read over his latest presentation online and it has some interesting slides covering load balancing (and references a 40,000 user installation along with the amount of computing power and top level view of infrastructure architecture). As for an administration guide for LibreOffice Online, that is something I thought would be a good project suggestion for the Google Season Of Documentation. Something that will come up again during today's Documentation Team meeting. Best wishes, Drew On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:32 AM jonathon wrote: > On 4/17/19 1:49 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > > So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of > being > > found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' or > > something similar. > > A tutorial on setting up LibreOffice Online as a Digital Ocean droplet > or AWS Instance or on NextCloud would probably be equally useful. > > jonathon > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?
On 4/17/19 1:49 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of being > found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' or > something similar. A tutorial on setting up LibreOffice Online as a Digital Ocean droplet or AWS Instance or on NextCloud would probably be equally useful. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fun task names for the Month of LibreOffice, May 2019
Howdy, * Help to confirm bugs; First Responders - Triage * Answer questions from users; Pay It Forward Best wishes, Drew On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 9:42 AM Mike Saunders < mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Some ideas I've come up with so far: > > * Help to confirm bugs: Bug Basher, Bug Squasher > * Answer questions from users: Smile Maker, Problem Solver, Handy Helper > * Spread the word: Drum Beater, Rooftop Shouter > * Translate the interface: Terrific Translator, Word Wiz, Globetrotter > * Contribute code: Happy Hacker, Code Cruncher > * Write documentation: Docs Doctor > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?
just to be clear - there is a list available at the Collabora site: https://www.collaboraoffice.com/partners-main/partners/ That is good, but it isn't really that end user friendly IMO. Click on the one link and you are asked to fill in a online form for more information and not link is offered to the actual host. I picked one WebO and went to their site to find details on what is offered. Before I go further let me say I first did an internet search for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' and got zero hits. Alright so back to Webo. Turn out that on their site they only refer to what they have Collabora Online and when they talk it they say that it can work with documents for MSO and OpenOffice, they never use the word LibreOffice in their web pages. So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of being found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' or something similar. On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 9:12 AM Drew Jensen wrote: > Howdy, > > The other day I was in a conversation with some folks on a social media > site in a Linux and Open Source group. The question came up about a > GDocs/MSO365 replacement. > > LibreOffice Online was made as a suggestion. > > A question came up about how much disk space a person got when they signed > up for LibreOffie Online. I explained that it was available as source, and > pointed to the CODE package at Collabora and that a number of hosting > providers offered the service. > > I then went looking for a list of which hosting providers do so. I found a > few on the Collabora, mostly by scanning press releases. > > I was wondering if there is a list being maintained anywhere of those? > > If not then I would like to work on putting one together. > > Thanks, > > Drew > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fun task names for the Month of LibreOffice, May 2019
Some ideas I've come up with so far: * Help to confirm bugs: Bug Basher, Bug Squasher * Answer questions from users: Smile Maker, Problem Solver, Handy Helper * Spread the word: Drum Beater, Rooftop Shouter * Translate the interface: Terrific Translator, Word Wiz, Globetrotter * Contribute code: Happy Hacker, Code Cruncher * Write documentation: Docs Doctor -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-marketing] List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?
Howdy, The other day I was in a conversation with some folks on a social media site in a Linux and Open Source group. The question came up about a GDocs/MSO365 replacement. LibreOffice Online was made as a suggestion. A question came up about how much disk space a person got when they signed up for LibreOffie Online. I explained that it was available as source, and pointed to the CODE package at Collabora and that a number of hosting providers offered the service. I then went looking for a list of which hosting providers do so. I found a few on the Collabora, mostly by scanning press releases. I was wondering if there is a list being maintained anywhere of those? If not then I would like to work on putting one together. Thanks, Drew -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?
For what it is worth: I would like to see some marketing material which does not even mention FOSS. If it must mention file formats then tout support for OOXML and do so writ large! Remember that are many of us for whom closed source software is not bad, that paying for software is not bad and that making a profit is not bad. Talk to us and tell us why LibreOffice is so good. Best wishes, Drew On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 5:42 AM Nigel Verity wrote: > Hi Roland, Mike > > > That is a very interesting point. Perhaps the challenge is to create a > promotional video which appeals to both corporates and private individuals > in equal measure. > > > Liberation and social responsibility should certainly appeal to > individuals, but any justification for using LO which strays into the > territory of "politics" may be of less appeal to companies. There will > surely be decision-makers who have a social conscience but in the main I > would suggest that a company which selects its business applications based > on ethics rather than functionality is not doing its job properly. I don't > necessarily applaud that standpoint but I think it is a fact all the same. > > > In short, I don't think LO should be promoted like those adverts we see > proclaiming "buy our product because x% of our profits go to charity". LO > is world-class software that justifies its existence on functionality > alone. I think the challenge is to get the ethics message across without > its being seen as a "bolt on" to increase its appeal further. > > > Regards > > > Nige > > > > From: Roland Hummel > Sent: 15 April 2019 21:47 > To: Nigel Verity; Mike Saunders; marketing@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer? > > Hi Nigel and Mike, > > On 4/15/19 2:43 PM, Nigel Verity wrote: > > I've just looked at that video again for the first time in quite a > while. I have to say there is nothing in it that is not valid today and not > a lot of information that ought to be added. The only fundamental change is > the availability of the new user interface features in the mainstream > rather than as experimental options. Unfortunately to update the video to > show these would entail almost a total re-recording. > > > > There clearly is some scope for a new promotional video but, given that > just updating the screenshot elements would not alter its overall impact, > is the cost of a new video justified at this time? What else needs to be > changed? Change for its own sake is rarely a good proposition. > > > > looking for other LO promo material I found "Trailer Curso LibreOffice > Ecuador" [1]. I don't understand Spanish language but a friend > translated the essential parts for me and this video describes how FLOSS > like LO liberates the IT of countries like Ecuador so as I tried to > explain in my last mail: > An update of the official LO promo trailer that is a little bit more > "inspiring" the people why using LO has something to do with liberation > and social responsibility in digital age would justify time and money > needed for the update a lot. > > Best regards > Roland > > [1] https://invidio.us/watch?v=8wLGesOotrg > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
