Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website
The target audience is somebody not familiar with any office software. We have quite a few of them even in higher educational institutions. Some who know some aspects of word processing also do not know things like track changes, other language typing, etc. Writer instructional material is here: https://spoken-tutorial.org/tutorial-search/?search_foss=LibreOffice+Suite+Writer+6.3&search_language=English. From the same link, you can locate the instructional material in other topics too. Regards, Kannan On 06/12/21 11:08 pm, Alexandr Šnajdar wrote: Hi there, I think that we turn in round. Who should be targeted audiences ? (And what do we want to make them to do?) Regards S-) On Mon, 6 Dec 2021, 15:08 Kannan Moudgalya, wrote: Hi All, We have been conducting training on the use of LibreOffice in India. The training involves downloading LibreOffice and practising. We could not have done this with MS Office - how could we afford so many licenses? The number of people we trained are: Writer - 440,000 Calc - 380,000 Impress - 301,000 Base - 230,000 Draw - 106,000 Math - 85,000 One can gather these details from this URL: https://spoken-tutorial.org/statistics/training/ Regards, Kannan On 06/12/21 7:15 pm, Parthasarathy Narasimhan wrote: Hi All, I am a new user of Libreoffice. I am attending an Executive MBA course where the course is being taught using MSXL and the topic is statistics. I see this is one area where the screen input functionality between XL and Libre differs. Like XL shows more parameters on the screen for the student to input while it seems Libre might be defaulting. Just thought of sharing. Regards,Partha On Monday, December 6, 2021, 06:39:52 PM GMT+5:30, James Harking < james.hark...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, I agree with this for the most part, I think direct comparison are difficult as the applications you can compare directly Word to Writer, Excel to Calc and PowerPoint to Impress is not the totality of Microsoft Office. So there is a significant short coming there. We do have Base and Math although I'm not sure how popular and used these components are. Interoperability is a very important consideration that currently hinders adoption in my humble opinion. Although things have certainly improved. I also think the current user interface is a major downside for many people and a criticism I hear leveled at LibreOffice in almost every discussion on LibreOffice in general. Where we do have the advantage is on the community and freedom aspects that truly separates LibreOffice from its proprietary counterparts. This is the area I would 'evangelise.' Although this might not be a major consideration for some as the Libre aspects might not outweigh the gratis aspect. King regards and greetings to all, James On Mon, 6 Dec 2021, 12:37 Shaun Bharth, wrote: Hey hey, Idk but I think "User Stories" might be good to feature. The UX guys probably have done some research already before they generated their personas. This can form the basis of "Who LibreOffice was designed for". I'm not sure if a feature by feature comparison would actually be effective. My understanding is that people are emotional. Most people never use the full feature set of Microsoft Office. They use it because EVERYBODY DOES. My preference is to not compete directly per se with MS Office but as a complement. I think the existing angle is interoperability? That could work in the sense of MS Office at work, LibreOffice at home. "You're chained to the desk all day, why do it at home?" yada yada. Filipe's idea is quite a good one. I don't think Collabora has as much traction as LibreOffice and featuring them does help quite a bit i guess? Thanks! Shaun On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:28 AM Filipe Gomes Morgado wrote: Hi all, Bearing in mind the topic, I would like to contribute with my opinion, which I think is very important to mention or express the facts: - Open source or FOSS; - LibreOffice runs on macOS, Linux, and Windows, - “While The Document Foundation doesn't currently offer an Android or iOS version of LibreOffice, there is a LibreOffice-based product in app stores from Collabora, one of our certified developers and ecosystem members” at: https://www.libreoffice .org/download/android-and-ios/ . -x--- Leaving the topic a bit, but not wanting to overlap the topic, I also think that a part related to support should be incorporated, or else in another document. Therefore, it should have a kind of table where, in an easy way and not dispersed over several places or web pages, information could be gauged in terms of support solutions. The numbers and names being just an example, something like: < 5 computers –> we recommend that at least 2 employees take a training/
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website
Hi All, We have been conducting training on the use of LibreOffice in India. The training involves downloading LibreOffice and practising. We could not have done this with MS Office - how could we afford so many licenses? The number of people we trained are: Writer - 440,000 Calc - 380,000 Impress - 301,000 Base - 230,000 Draw - 106,000 Math - 85,000 One can gather these details from this URL: https://spoken-tutorial.org/statistics/training/ Regards, Kannan On 06/12/21 7:15 pm, Parthasarathy Narasimhan wrote: Hi All, I am a new user of Libreoffice. I am attending an Executive MBA course where the course is being taught using MSXL and the topic is statistics. I see this is one area where the screen input functionality between XL and Libre differs. Like XL shows more parameters on the screen for the student to input while it seems Libre might be defaulting. Just thought of sharing. Regards,Partha On Monday, December 6, 2021, 06:39:52 PM GMT+5:30, James Harking wrote: Hi all, I agree with this for the most part, I think direct comparison are difficult as the applications you can compare directly Word to Writer, Excel to Calc and PowerPoint to Impress is not the totality of Microsoft Office. So there is a significant short coming there. We do have Base and Math although I'm not sure how popular and used these components are. Interoperability is a very important consideration that currently hinders adoption in my humble opinion. Although things have certainly improved. I also think the current user interface is a major downside for many people and a criticism I hear leveled at LibreOffice in almost every discussion on LibreOffice in general. Where we do have the advantage is on the community and freedom aspects that truly separates LibreOffice from its proprietary counterparts. This is the area I would 'evangelise.' Although this might not be a major consideration for some as the Libre aspects might not outweigh the gratis aspect. King regards and greetings to all, James On Mon, 6 Dec 2021, 12:37 Shaun Bharth, wrote: Hey hey, Idk but I think "User Stories" might be good to feature. The UX guys probably have done some research already before they generated their personas. This can form the basis of "Who LibreOffice was designed for". I'm not sure if a feature by feature comparison would actually be effective. My understanding is that people are emotional. Most people never use the full feature set of Microsoft Office. They use it because EVERYBODY DOES. My preference is to not compete directly per se with MS Office but as a complement. I think the existing angle is interoperability? That could work in the sense of MS Office at work, LibreOffice at home. "You're chained to the desk all day, why do it at home?" yada yada. Filipe's idea is quite a good one. I don't think Collabora has as much traction as LibreOffice and featuring them does help quite a bit i guess? Thanks! Shaun On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:28 AM Filipe Gomes Morgado wrote: Hi all, Bearing in mind the topic, I would like to contribute with my opinion, which I think is very important to mention or express the facts: - Open source or FOSS; - LibreOffice runs on macOS, Linux, and Windows, - “While The Document Foundation doesn't currently offer an Android or iOS version of LibreOffice, there is a LibreOffice-based product in app stores from Collabora, one of our certified developers and ecosystem members” at: https://www.libreoffice .org/download/android-and-ios/ . -x--- Leaving the topic a bit, but not wanting to overlap the topic, I also think that a part related to support should be incorporated, or else in another document. Therefore, it should have a kind of table where, in an easy way and not dispersed over several places or web pages, information could be gauged in terms of support solutions. The numbers and names being just an example, something like: < 5 computers –> we recommend that at least 2 employees take a training/course at https://www.libreoffice.org/ , with the price xx€, or at the partner https://www.udemy.com/topic/libreoffice/ , with the price xx€. Or see https://www.documentfoundation.org/gethelp/trainers/ , priced from xx€ to xx€. 5 – 20 computers –> we recommend that you contact the Collabora partner, with the price xx€. 21 – xx –> Et Cetera … “17€/user per year” in https://www.collaboraoffice.com/subscriptions/ . This would have to involve the collaboration and contribution of ecosystem members, and it would have to be very easy to interpret in order to allow for decision making. Entrepreneurs don't mind paying, after all, they already pay for Microsoft Office, what they want is problems solved and not other problems, such as having to find scattered information. In my opinion, it would be a very useful tool to present the LO, it could have a link on the new - :) - webpage
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Pilot workshop for a local government body
Hi Italo, Yes, I live in Mumbai. Thanks for the link. I went through all the slides, which have very valuable information. This will be useful to make a policy decision at the final stages. Slides on the importance of training are very important. I would go to the extent of saying that most people do not use more than 5% of commercial software (which are often very expensive), and hence, can easily be met by equivalent open source software. I would like to know more about certification methods available to test the competency in LibreOffice - although not required for the current workshop, we can use it in our other training programmes. For the immediate workshop, I guess that simple text and data entry for LO Writer and Calc are only required. For this, we plan to use the Marathi dubbed tutorials given here: http://spoken-tutorial.org/tutorial-search/?search_foss=LibreOffice+Suite+Writer&search_language=Marathi. Although created for LibreOffice 3, these are good enough for beginners. We have this series in about 20 languages. Use of Marathi font is important in the current instance. The workshop participants are likely to use the inscript keyboard. We plan to do a (1) pre-workshop survey, a (2) post-workshop survey, and a (3) follow-up survey, after about two weeks to check the ease of shifting to LibreOffice. To make the proposed transition simpler, we are exploring LibreOffice on Windows first. If this works out, they will consider shifting to Linux. Regards, Kannan On 29/11/16 8:58 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: Hi Kannan, from your email address I suppose you are based in India, but to help you I think it would be nice to have more information about the local government body, the environment they are active in, how many employees they have, etcetera. In order to organize a workshop in order to convince them to migrate to LibreOffice, you need to present a large number of information not only about the project but also about the quality and the security of the software, the document format, and only at the end about the application. You can find a number of slide decks at the following address: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Presentations We can also organize a hangout to discuss the workshop face to face. It is not easy to provide all the necessary insights by email, and talking is probably the best solution for the success of the workshop. Best, Italo On 29/11/2016 12:36, Kannan Moudgalya wrote: We are about to conduct a LibreOffice workshop to a local government body. Depending on its success, LibreOffice may be adopted in a big way in the local government. If there are recommended ways to conduct such workshops, I would like to know. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Pilot workshop for a local government body
We are about to conduct a LibreOffice workshop to a local government body. Depending on its success, LibreOffice may be adopted in a big way in the local government. If there are recommended ways to conduct such workshops, I would like to know. Thanks, Kannan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Dubbed an LO Spoken Tutorial into Spanish
Please see https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JkkLeMCBFTUGFmMkRsSGVmSXc/view -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Libre Office Marketing activities in India
er languages' team maintainers and possibly after a face-to-face cum irc meeting with the people mentioned from lo team. This will be a inclusive view and would be more helpful to work for the plan decided here on the on the mailing list later. > What do you think? Hope this is okay? regards, Rajesh > > Best, > > Charles. > > On 2 mai 2014 19:08:15 CEST, Rajesh Ranjan <mailto:rajeshka...@yahoo.com>> wrote: >> Charles, Chandrakant and Kannan, >> >> It is good to see the activity related to Libreoffice for India. >> libreoffice is one of the most important flagship product of foss but >> in India the activity of promoting the lo is almost negligible. Its sad >> and we should certainly do some concrete effort regarding the same. >> >> I would also like to be part of it actively and would like to work a >> lot for libreoffice in India. I am working for Hindi language since >> ten years in FOSS localization world. Earlier, I was associated with >> openoffice as well. I know lot of localization >> contributors/coordinators of different Indian language. I think they >> can also help us out to do organized marketing activity related to >> libreoffice in India. >> >> thanks! >> >> >> Regards, >> Rajesh Ranjan >> >> www.rajeshranjan.in >> twitter: @kajha >> facebook: rajeshkajha >> >> >> >> >>> On Friday, May 2, 2014 6:40 PM, Kannan Moudgalya > mailto:kan...@iitb.ac.in>> >> wrote: >>> > Dear Chandrakant, >>> >>> I am delighted to see your mail. >>> >>> Our team has been conducting Spoken Tutorial based SELF workshops on >>> LibreOffice, mainly in academia, training tens of thousands of >> people. >>> Lately, I have been trying to come up with a print edition of >>> LibreOffice Manuals (500 copies) to promote LibreOffice in colleges, >> who >>> need a "printed book" for the software to be included in > their >>> curriculum. This project has taken a lot longer than what I >> expected, >>> because I seem to have not followed some "procedures". I > hope to >>> close >>> this activity soon. >>> >>> Next time when you come to Mumbai, please drop by at IIT and we can >>> discuss how to take things forward in India. I believe that you can >>> contribute quite a bit on the Indic language front. Best wishes, >>> >>> Kannan >>> >>> >>> On 02/05/14 6:13 PM, chandrakant dhutadmal wrote: >>>> Hi Charles. >>>> >>>> Thanks for welcoming me in the community. >>>> >>>> Yes. C-DAC is one of the organization which has been into >> Localization and >>> its marketing since quite some time now. >>>> >>>> I have personally been active in some other open source >> communities and i >>> have noticed that there are no Libre Office promotional activities >> being carried >>> out as a community. >>>> >>>> I personally would like to contribute in this community driven >> promotional >>> activity in a better way. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chandrakant Dhutadmal >>>> Pune, India. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, May 2, 2014 5:44 PM, Charles-H. Schulz >>> <mailto:charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Chandrakant, >>>> >>>> Welcome to the LibreOffice project! I have seen your earlier posts >> on >>>> the L10N mailing list and it's great to see that more > localizations >> can >>>> be created. On top of that C-DAC has been a long standing >> contributor to >>>> the old Openoffice.org project :-) >>>> >>>> It is a bit unclear to me whether there are active teams promoting >>>> LibreOffice around India though. We have various contacts with >> public >>>> institutions there however. Given the scope of your involvement, I >> guess >>>> you have a team working with you on LibreOffice localizations and >>>> marketing? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Charles. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 2014-05-02 12:56, chandrakant dhutadmal a écrit : >
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Libre Office Marketing activities in India
Dear Chandrakant, I am delighted to see your mail. Our team has been conducting Spoken Tutorial based SELF workshops on LibreOffice, mainly in academia, training tens of thousands of people. Lately, I have been trying to come up with a print edition of LibreOffice Manuals (500 copies) to promote LibreOffice in colleges, who need a "printed book" for the software to be included in their curriculum. This project has taken a lot longer than what I expected, because I seem to have not followed some "procedures". I hope to close this activity soon. Next time when you come to Mumbai, please drop by at IIT and we can discuss how to take things forward in India. I believe that you can contribute quite a bit on the Indic language front. Best wishes, Kannan On 02/05/14 6:13 PM, chandrakant dhutadmal wrote: Hi Charles. Thanks for welcoming me in the community. Yes. C-DAC is one of the organization which has been into Localization and its marketing since quite some time now. I have personally been active in some other open source communities and i have noticed that there are no Libre Office promotional activities being carried out as a community. I personally would like to contribute in this community driven promotional activity in a better way. Regards, Chandrakant Dhutadmal Pune, India. On Friday, May 2, 2014 5:44 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Dear Chandrakant, Welcome to the LibreOffice project! I have seen your earlier posts on the L10N mailing list and it's great to see that more localizations can be created. On top of that C-DAC has been a long standing contributor to the old Openoffice.org project :-) It is a bit unclear to me whether there are active teams promoting LibreOffice around India though. We have various contacts with public institutions there however. Given the scope of your involvement, I guess you have a team working with you on LibreOffice localizations and marketing? Best, Charles. Le 2014-05-02 12:56, chandrakant dhutadmal a écrit : Hello All. My name is Chandrakant Dhutadmal. I am from Pune, India. Currently i am working as senior technical officer, at Centre for Development of advanced computing (C-DAC), Pune. I have been working in Localization domain since about last 8 years. I had earlier used Open Office and conducted training and spread awareness about open office among lot of people from various sectors like Academics, Govt, NGO's, and SME's. I have also been attending various meeting and conferences to spread the word. I have also been using Libre Office since quite some time now. I think i can be a good contributor as a Member of Marketing team and take this product to newer heights of success. I would also like to know if there is any marketing group active in India who promotes Libre Office in India and let me know how can i participate. Cheers, Chandrakant Dhutadmal Senior Technical Officer C-DAC, Pune, India. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Kingsoft runs on Android - in fact, it runs on Aakash. Pretty sure that LO is far better. Also, Kingsoft is not open source - you need to get permissions, sign agreements, etc., (may even have to pay), for distribution. Kannan On 07/06/13 12:18 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I never even heard of this office packages company. If the commenter is correct, then CNET really need to rethink their recommendations. - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33153_7-57587824-10391733/kingsoft-office-2013-the-best-free-microsoft-office-alternative/ Kingsoft Office 2013: The best free Microsoft Office alternative? Not only does it have the best interface around, it also brings innovations like tabbed document viewing and drag-and-drop paragraph adjustment. Rick Broida by Rick Broida June 5, 2013 10:52 AM PDT --- One of the replies to that article is as follows --- the_brigadier 25 minutes ago You do know Kingsoft is a communist Chinese company whose nation has been conducting unrelenting hack attacks to strip America of all its technology? If you can't build it, steal it is their credo. What better way to open up a million backdoors then by offering free software that exactly emulates Microsoft's flagship program. By the way read their EULA very carefully. IT CLEARLY STATES THAT ANYTHING CREATED USING THEIR SOFTWARE BECOMES THE PROPERTY OF KINGSOFT. Have you read it Karyn? I downloaded this software several years ago read that EULA and used Revo to deepscan uninstall that software. It had put tendrils all through my computer. Revo is very good and got it all, but don't be fooled. This is part and parcel to China's hacking attempts and for cnet to recommend it is both incredibly naive and questionable at best. -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office
MS is giving this solution to India free of cost! Kannan On 24/04/13 7:35 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 24/04/13 08:34 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Dear Kannan, I think your question is: do we have an online version of Libreoffice ? Full answer, we will, there's a prototype anyone can run (instructions on the wiki), we just need resources to make sure we have a fully dedicated team to fully develop it. This LibreOffice OnLine is not distinct from LibreOffice software itself (you can configure it as a server platform) and anyone with a reasonably sized server will be able to use it and have several users run it in their browser. If your question is : do we have a whole FOSS desktop stack, we don't, and we're not looking to have one. I agree with your latest comments though, and I again invite interested people/teams who are in contact with existing decision makers in ICT and education to ping me and we'll open a private mailing list for advocacy/policy coordination. best, Charles. Taking as example, our school system in Canada. I have been a FOSS advocate for over a decade if not more and also sat on a committee called ESC (Elementary Software Committee) with my school board (for even longer) where we evaluated software destined to elementary school use. Our ESC committee also worked cooperatively with our IT staff making sure that any acquisitions did not take down our servers nor compromised them. In short, our ESC in conjunction with the IT staff were pretty well the deciding group for software purchases and adoptions. At present, we do use some FOSS software but not LibreOffice. As we are all aware, moving to LibreOffice in some geographical regions is quite difficult due to the MSO penetration within these markets. From my point of view, the only way that we could budge the elephant, would be to question the financial reasoning and logic behind using an expensive suite which often will cost between $35-50/seat per module (in Canada and most likely in the US). As most board of educations (in Canada) are financially accountable to a publicly elected School BoD, then our main option would be of demonstrating publicly the fact that, feature for feature LibreOffice offers the same educational advantages as MSO. If it were demonstrated publicly that LibreOffice at the primary level offered the same identical benefits as MSO BUT without its expensive cost, and, if we could demonstrate the LibreOffice suite was easily integrated on their server stacks, then, public pressure would mount with demands to the school boards of adopting the LibreOffice suite as their main teaching tool at the primary level. If we were to mount a public ad campaign, in national, provincial and community newspapers, for example, starting with the most populous province in Canada, we could most likely start a wave of LibreOffice adoption throughout that province. Once the wave starts in a populous province, it then become difficult to stem this wave from propagating to other provinces and of even crossing borders. The purpose of the ads would be to get people to discuss in public and help mount popular opinion on the savings of millions of dollars from unnecessary software. We should definitely be looking at simplifying our cloud version of LibreOffice so that educational institutions have this on their list of options. Most of these institutions have their own stacks up and working already and this is what MSO is hoping to lock them into. I don't believe that this strategy is anything new to MSO as they are most likely expecting it and hoping that we are languishing enough for them to lock their client base into their cloud services. And, yes, MS is most likely on these mailing lists and monitoring any mention of MSO and possible strategic plans being implemented on our part. Cheers, Marc -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office
Dear All, I have changed the subject head to focus on the topic of discussion. Do we already have a similar product using open source software components only? If not, what will it take to put together such a product? We are in the process of formulating a strategy to counter this diktat. Many FOSS groups in India are also looking into this matter. An alternate solution based on FOSS will possibly the most potent weapon in the hands of FOSS activists. I would like to end this mail with a positive thought: this diktat and the expected challenges will increase the FOSS awareness in India. Regards, Kannan On 20/04/13 6:03 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 04/20/2013 04:11 AM, goldf...@aol.in wrote: Hi, I feel LibreOffice has much more value than competing products. I find this very sad news: AICTE Makes Microsoft Office 365 Mandatory For Technical Colleges In India! - http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=104544 Could we please educate 'educational' institutions so that they have more value, save money and hopeful give back to LO. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul Schools teach MSO since most businesses use MSO. The same with Windows OS. Well, businesses are needing more and more tech people with Linux abilities. So the MS stronghold of the operating systems of business is getting weaker since businesses need Linux OS more and more to run their businesses. So, as more and more businesses make the move to LibreOffice over MSO, then there will be a need of experienced LO users. That will start making schools realize that to compete, they will need to teach courses that include LO. We need to show that LibreOffice is gaining a foothold in the office suite market. National governments, regional [city] governments, and large businesses are switching to LO over MSO. So gathering a list of these major "switchers", and not just articles that would take time to read, would be a good start. If you can show a school, business, or local government, a list of these governments, businesses, and others, that have made the switch to LO, that can show a school that there is a market for trained LO users. The more proof we have that LO is making inroads into the office suite, the more "help" we will have to show others that LO is a package that is growing and you should look into it to see why governments, businesses, and others are switching. With that proof of LO's growing market share, taken from MSO, schools should see that MSO is no longer the only office suite package that should be taught in their courses. I do not know if we can get them to have courses dedicated only to LO, but they should include it in their teaching about how to use office suites. It will take time. -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update
Interesting. Thankfully, Indians have not imbibed this "quality" from the British. We like to try out anything that is free. The following joke summarises it: Vendor: Do you want an elephant? Client: No, it will be expensive to maintain it. Vendor: You can take it on loan. Client: Then, give me two: one for me and one for my brother. Kannan p.s. Of course, LO+SELF workshops is a far superior combination compared to MSO. On 28/03/13 8:37 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Actually it is quite mad. People often try to give things to celebrities and the Queen and so on and the aristocracy and upper-classes often avoid paying for anything but no-one thinks of them as "skanks" or are people trying to insult the Queen when they give her stuff? It just doesn't make any sense at all. People are morons but that's what we have to play with. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Tom Davies *To:* Kannan Moudgalya ; "marketing@global.libreoffice.org" *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2013, 14:49 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update Hi :) Yes Actually lower quality than that. The impression people have is that it's so bad that we have to get rid of it somehow. Free apples would make people assume the apples riddled with dying maggots and worse. Hmm, even maggots might be worth selling to fishermen as bait so if the apples are free they must be really foul. So, it's better to point out the features and avoid mentioning the price. Regards from Tom :) -------- *From:* Kannan Moudgalya *To:* marketing@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Thursday, 28 March 2013, 10:09 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update Not clear - why do the British not like "free" things? Do they think that those of poor quality? Kannan On 28/03/13 4:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Does the English one mention the word "Free" perchance? Doing so would significantly reduce any clicks in my country. Avoid it and watch the click rate rise. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > >> >> From: Florian Effenberger mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org>> >> To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:marketing@global.libreoffice.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013, 12:06 >> Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update >> >> Hi, >> >> this is just a quick, but interesting AdWords update: I placed the very same text in English as well as in German, with exactly the same parameters. Interestingly, the click through rate for the English version is only ~2%, while for the German one, it is ~6%. >> >> I've temporarily disabled the English version to see if this yields even more clickthroughs for the German version. >> >> Florian >> >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org> >> Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted >> >> >> >> -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org> Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Bridging digital divid
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update
Not clear - why do the British not like "free" things? Do they think that those of poor quality? Kannan On 28/03/13 4:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Does the English one mention the word "Free" perchance? Doing so would significantly reduce any clicks in my country. Avoid it and watch the click rate rise. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013, 12:06 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update Hi, this is just a quick, but interesting AdWords update: I placed the very same text in English as well as in German, with exactly the same parameters. Interestingly, the click through rate for the English version is only ~2%, while for the German one, it is ~6%. I've temporarily disabled the English version to see if this yields even more clickthroughs for the German version. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [ACTION ITEM] LibreOffice Video links
Dear Marc, please see my answers below. Marc Paré wrote: Le 09/03/13 08:42 PM, Kannan Moudgalya a écrit : Thank you Kannan for the videos and the support. Always nice to see your contributions on the list. BTW ... do you follow a certain protocol for the creation of videos. For example, when a video is created do you suggest: We do have detailed processes, but the writeup is in a total mess and I am ashamed to give a link to it. For the time being, however, I can give a link to one page: http://spoken-tutorial.org/process/index.php/FOSS_Stages/Checklist - if you open the zip file available in this page, there are about 100 guidelines and the reasons for the same. We conduct a test based on these rules. Only those who score 80% in this test are eligible to offer tutorials to us. A person failing in this test has to wait for two weeks before taking the test again! We give Rs. 5,000 (approximately USD 90) for a ten minute tutorial, as an honorarium. We pay Rs. 1,500 (approximately USD 27) to dub the original into any one of the 22 Indian languages. Well made tutorials that are already available are an exception. For example, the PHP and the GIMP tutorials that we offer are made by others. There are two reasons for being so much dictatorial in creating the tutorials: (1) we conduct workshops to tens of thousands of people using these tutorials and give certificates to those who pass an online test. (2) we dub them into all 22 Indian languages. The tutorials better be good! * video software * tools and files to help ease translation of the videos into another native language * quality -- I know we have spoken of this before, but perhaps not in public. What do you consider as acceptable when you consider accepting/rejecting a video offered to your project? * license -- what license do you suggest to your video submitters The creators (who are paid an honorarium by us) have to transfer their copyright to us. We agree to release these tutorials under "attribution, noncommercial, no derivative" license, however. All the work on our website http://spoken-tutorial.org are released under this license - the PHP and GIMP tutorials, however, are an exception - the original copyright is applicable with possibly minor changes. Are there a set of tools that you suggest for video production? I am more interested in hearing of any FOSS suggestions. We have a set of tutorials for this also. This includes a FOSS solution for GNU/Linux. Please see http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos/%3Fview%3D1%2526foss%3DSpoken-Tutorial-Technology%2526language%3DEnglish Regards, Kannan Cheers, Marc -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [ACTION ITEM] LibreOffice Video links
Dear All, Our project Spoken Tutorial has made a total of 60+ tutorials on LibreOffice, available through the following links: Writer: http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos/%3Fview%3D1%2526foss%3DLibreOffice-Suite-Writer%2526language%3DEnglish Calc: http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos/%3Fview%3D1%2526foss%3DLibreOffice-Suite-Calc%2526language%3DEnglish Impress: http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos/%3Fview%3D1%2526foss%3DLibreOffice-Suite-Impress%2526language%3DEnglish Base: http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos/%3Fview%3D1%2526foss%3DLibreOffice-Suite-Base%2526language%3DEnglish Math: http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos/%3Fview%3D1%2526foss%3DLibreOffice-Suite-Math%2526language%3DEnglish Draw: http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos/%3Fview%3D1%2526foss%3DLibreOffice-Suite-Draw%2526language%3DEnglish These are available through CC, attribution, non commercial, non derivative license. We have been organising many workshops using these tutorials. Regards, Kannan Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) We do have a list of some video tutorials, how-tos and such like at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/Videos I am just in the process of moving them from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Video_Tutorials which is just an incredibly cumbersome url imo but we had to do it in a bit of a hurry without having much time to think about it. I briefly thinking about using https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Videos but i have a feeling the documentation team might prefer that page for contributors. Also by making these extra pages sub-pages off the Publications page means they are all kept together. Other sub-pages might include; Unofficial or 3rdParty guides, Quick Reference Cards, perhaps install guides, perhaps a redirect to the wiki Faq or a list of Faqs held in other places too. Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013, 10:43 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] [ACTION ITEM] LibreOffice Video links I am just adding this as an action item. I just realize that we have NO links to any video files on our resources page[1]. I know that we have a YouTube Channel[2]*, but I also know that there are other videos that have been produced but we have neglected of making a note of these anywhere. The resources page is obviously the place for these links/referrals to go. This would then be a good item to put on our "Marketing Easy Hacks" page ... I still have to get to organizing this page ... if is forthcoming. BTW, no need to wait on this one. If you have any time to collect links to LibreOffice videos, feel free to start adding links to this thread. We could then either upload them to our YouTube channel and catalogue them someway. But to start off, we need to gather the links. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements [2] http://www.youtube.com/libreoffice * NOTE: We do have a YouTube Channel that is owned by Drew Jensen. Drew offered to allow other admins or to relinquish the site to the TDF/LibreOffice if that was the wish.[http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/5513] -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice's role in a MS Office world
Because of the free workshops we give on LibreOffice (see the free instructional videos available at http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos/%3Ffoss%3DLibreOffice-Suite-Writer%2526language%3DEnglish, for writer, for example), LO gets used 5 to 10 times more effectively, as compared to MSO. Kannan webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I believe that Office 365 is now at 5 devices [desktop, laptop, tablet] for $100 a year, with some limitations. Renting an office package is not my cup-of-tea. MSO 2013 seems to be $130 to $400 per device to buy. For this economic times, getting a good working at a free price makes sense. Cross-platform between Windows, Mac OSX and Linux systems can be a good point as well. Real world, if a company has MSO deployed already, then not having to buy another licenses with any new computer might be a good point. Saving $100 or more per new system can really add up. MSO is getting really expensive to buy since MS wants the yearly income renting their products will generate in the long term. ODF vs. MSO formats, well since LibreOffice reads and writes MSO formats, except for the most complex documents, well, then you do not have to choose anytime soon. Since ODF seems to be growing and MSO is loosing market shares worldwide, in a few years more and more International and regional businesses will be moving to ODF as their default file formats. It is all region based. Canon USA ands Canada does not support Linux drivers, but MOST other regional Canon sites do offer Linux Support. That is because there are as great a percentage of Linux users in the USA/Canada as in other parts of the world. That may change. Same with LibreOffice and other FOSS packages. Some regions will have more percentage of users using it over others. Some regions and markets may take a lot of push to get them to accept and use non-MS products, while others will be easier. For me, getting users to notice that a free office suite that uses MSO file formats is not easy. They just do not trust free. The saying "you get what you pay for" is to well a part of our being to realize that there are free things that are as good as or better than similar paid packages. On 02/02/2013 01:25 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: Reply inline On 02/02/2013 11:18 AM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: Hi, all. I have experience as a college student in China, Hong Kong, US. All these three regions seems to be MS Office based; people assume others have access to MS Office. China, in particular, generally use MS Office documents even in the cases that PDF is a better choice, for example, announcements often use doc format. I haven't seen any ODF files distributed around except those found in SFD or LUG events. Let's consider some real world cases. 1. An organization has Windows + MS Office deployment already, which is at least very common in universities. Then for whatever reasons, the organization is considering some alternative options. A. Apache OpenOffice B. Google Docs C. LibreOffice D. Office 365 I'd put an honest question: What's the advantages of LibreOffice in this case? Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice are free/no charge for all users. Google Docs is free for personal use. Office 365, I believe, requires a subscription which can get expensive over time. AOO and LO are installed on the users machine(s) and do not require any Internet access to use. You may need access to sync files with Dropbox or some other similar service. I rate this as major advantage - you are not dependent on an Internet connection. Google Docs and Office 365 require an active connection to use. The main advantage of this is with collaboration with others in theory at least. The major problem is the quality of the connection. LO is ahead of AOO currently in terms of development due the problems AOO had in the transition from Oracle to Apache. Google Docs and Office 365 being "in the Cloud" should always have the most current version available. 2. A non-geek bought a PC for her own use, the OS is Linux/Mac OS X/Windows, and she is considering which productivity suite to use. A. Apache OpenOffice B. Google Docs C. LibreOffice D. MS Office E. Office 365 Still the same question, what's the advantages of LibreOffice here? You may exclude the Linux case since LibreOffice is often pre-installed by various Linux distributions. From my own experience, the fact that LibreOffice releases seems to be a disadvantage. If I help someone else install a particular version of LibreOffice, that software would never get upgraded without my participation. Installing LO or AOO is no more difficult than installing any other software on Windows or a Mac. The problem is user updating/upgrading on Windows and Mac. LO is addressing this with a notification that a newer version is available in 4.0. The issue of updating software particularly on Windows is thorny one because there is no central Windows database or easy method t
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice's role in a MS Office world
The situation is somewhat similar in India too, although, we have an official policy that mandates open document standards: http://egovstandards.gov.in/notification/Notification_Policy_on_Open_Standards_-_12Nov10.pdf/at_download/file - this is powerful weapon in the hands of the activists. Kannan Ma Xiaojun wrote: Hi, all. I have experience as a college student in China, Hong Kong, US. All these three regions seems to be MS Office based; people assume others have access to MS Office. China, in particular, generally use MS Office documents even in the cases that PDF is a better choice, for example, announcements often use doc format. I haven't seen any ODF files distributed around except those found in SFD or LUG events. Let's consider some real world cases. 1. An organization has Windows + MS Office deployment already, which is at least very common in universities. Then for whatever reasons, the organization is considering some alternative options. A. Apache OpenOffice B. Google Docs C. LibreOffice D. Office 365 I'd put an honest question: What's the advantages of LibreOffice in this case? 2. A non-geek bought a PC for her own use, the OS is Linux/Mac OS X/Windows, and she is considering which productivity suite to use. A. Apache OpenOffice B. Google Docs C. LibreOffice D. MS Office E. Office 365 Still the same question, what's the advantages of LibreOffice here? You may exclude the Linux case since LibreOffice is often pre-installed by various Linux distributions. From my own experience, the fact that LibreOffice releases seems to be a disadvantage. If I help someone else install a particular version of LibreOffice, that software would never get upgraded without my participation. I understand "free and open source", "free of charge" are big advantages for some people. Are they enough for general marketing? I guess not. For me, less bloated, available as portable app seems to be the biggest advantage of LibreOffice. I'm also expecting LibreOffice being available in Android and Web world. Cheers, Ma Xiaojun -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] need idea for a DVD offering page.
Hi, We can try out the creation and the mailing of the LibreOffice DVDs in India. It will be difficult to do this as a commercial exercise, however. It will be easier to justify the expenses to our funding agency by saying that we are promoting FOSS. In view of this, I propose the following: 1. You may re-direct all the requests from India to us. We will send a DVD to them free of cost. On the label, we will acknowledge our funding agency. We don't mind giving equal recognition to LibreOffice: we can say that the DVD was possible due to the contribution from our funding agency and LibreOffice, The Document Foundation. But don't know whether this will create any trouble to LibreOffice in other parts of the world. 2. Provide a voluntary donation button on your web page. In case they donate anything, LibreOffice can keep it - we don't need it. Please note, however, that it should be made amply clear that the donation is absolutely voluntary. Regards, Kannan webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I would like some helpful ideas for creating a page that offers a printed DVD of the current version of LibreOffice in each of the active lines. This will be for people who do not have access to a broadband connection for downloading the DVD's ISO file. The costs for shipping to "the World" from the USA is as follows, in USA dollars: Priority Mail® International Padded Flat Rate Envelope Maximum Value for Contents: $400.00 USPS-Produced Envelope: 12-1/2" x 9-1/2" Maximum weight 4 pounds. USA - $5 Canada or Mexico - $13 Everywhere elseI can ship to - $17 [Europe, Australia to Taiwan, and the rest] The PriorityEnvelope will be delivered [as stated in the USPS.com rates] in 6 to 10 business days, while the "cheaper" rates could take over 20 days for delivery to many regions of the world. Hong Kong to me usually takes 18 to 20 days for "standard" shipping. I have ordered from that area a few time to get a feel for the "normal" time for delivery. I would like some "help" and ideas on how I could make the ordering page for those who have access to a PAyPaL account. For those who do not, I was thinking about a PDF for that will be filled out and sent with their payment of a money order or "bank check". There will be a box where the person "makes" their own shipping label. I will copy theform and cut out the "address label box" and tape it on the envelope. This way there will be no deciphering on my part what the shipping address label will look like. Thisordering page, etc., was prompted by a guy in India who wanted an English DVD since he did not have access to any Internet connection in his area fast enough to download the install files, let alone things like documentation and language packs. It would be nice to get a "cheaper" print-on-demand service to do the work for "us" so people could have access for getting a copy of media that includes "regional" CD/DVD projects, but it seems that finding these DVD media print-on-demand one copy at a time is harder to find than "hen's teeth". SO I could use some constructive ideas on how to set up a "shopping" page. I have a PayPal account to accept payments, but never used that partof my account. -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] A documentation project for Scilab and other FOSS
Dear All, I am not sure whether the documentation project that we have implemented for Scilab, Python and a few other FOSS systems will be applicable, or even relevant, to LibreOffice. Let me explain the Scilab Textbook Companion (http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project) below: 1. Worked out examples from standard textbooks (mainly engineering) are coded in Scilab and uploaded on to our portal 2. We pay honoraria to the creators (about $200) and to the reviewers (about $100) 3. The code in tgz form can be downloaded from the same portal by the public, even without registering 4. Using LaTeX and bash, we automatically convert the code into a book form (~100 pages) and offer it also for free download 5. About 150+ textbook companions have been completed and another 100 are in progress 7. As this is crowd sourced, we are achieving massive scale up 8. As many students and faculty members participate in this activity, Scilab itself gets used widely 9. This is repeated for a few other FOSS systems as well, such as Python, OpenFOAM (alternative to Fluent and StarCD) and OSCAD (alternative to OrCAD) 10. As one needs the textbook to understand the code, it is a true companion - as nothing from the textbook is reproduced, there is no copyright violation either If the above is not applicable for LibreOffice, can we think of another crowd sourced, targeted, activity? If by chance such a crowd sourced activity is already available for LibreOffice, we would like to explore it for India. Regards, Kannan -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Funding Wishlist
Sorry, I forgot to add three more ways we can contribute to the ongoing marketing effort: 3. We have a good number of ORCA spoken tutorials to help on the topic of accessibility. The tutorial relevant to LibreOffice is http://www.che.iitb.ac.in/faculty/km/08-orca_word-processor.mp3. It is one of 10+ tutorials on ORCA. As this were made a few years ago, OO is explained. We are in the process of remaking these tutorials, as apparently, some things have changed in the way ORCA is distributed. When we make them again, we can explain LibreOffice instead. We have amongst our team Krishnakant Mane, a visually impaired FOSS expert, who worked closely with the ORCA team and developed these tutorials. 4. We can provide free dubbing rights to those who want to dub spoken tutorials on LibreOffice. We can train the interested people how to do the dubbing. We require, however, that the video is not changed and that the end users are not charged. We also give honorarium to anyone from anywhere who can help with the dubbing in India's 20+ official languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_with_official_status_in_India). Interestingly, a few languages spoken in India are used in neighbouring countries also - Urdu: Pakistan, Nepali: Nepal, Bengali: Bangladesh, Tamil: Sri Lanka. 5. We can help train those who want to organise workshops using spoken tutorials, available at http://spoken-tutorial.org. This service is also offered free of cost. Regards, Kannan Kannan Moudgalya wrote: As I don't know in what form additions or modifications are expected on this wiki page, I am writing to the list. As at present we have an Indian Government supported project to promote FOSS, we can contribute to the ongoing marketing effort in the following two ways: 1. Our artists can help create the artwork, required for banners, brochures, etc. We use GIMP. Because of the distances, however, it is not clear how effective this will be. 2. If ever there is a marketing effort by mailing CDs, we can participate in it by sending free CDs within India. Please note that many people in India do not have access to good bandwidth and hence depend on such offline promotional material. It will not, however, be possible for us to send the CDs overseas, although, it may be possible to send one or two bulk mailings. Regards, Kannan Marc Paré wrote: I have updated the wiki page for this. You may find it here: [https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Funding_Priorities] I will be adding the result of the other mailing lists in the next day or less. Cheers, Marc -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Funding Wishlist
As I don't know in what form additions or modifications are expected on this wiki page, I am writing to the list. As at present we have an Indian Government supported project to promote FOSS, we can contribute to the ongoing marketing effort in the following two ways: 1. Our artists can help create the artwork, required for banners, brochures, etc. We use GIMP. Because of the distances, however, it is not clear how effective this will be. 2. If ever there is a marketing effort by mailing CDs, we can participate in it by sending free CDs within India. Please note that many people in India do not have access to good bandwidth and hence depend on such offline promotional material. It will not, however, be possible for us to send the CDs overseas, although, it may be possible to send one or two bulk mailings. Regards, Kannan Marc Paré wrote: I have updated the wiki page for this. You may find it here: [https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Funding_Priorities] I will be adding the result of the other mailing lists in the next day or less. Cheers, Marc -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice vs. MS Office
Dear Charles, The main argument of my post is that LibreOffice can be used a lot more effectively compared to MS Office, as excellent and free training programmes are available for the former. Sorry that I did not make this point stand out in my post. I posted this as an input to the ongoing marketing effort. Regards, Kannan Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello everyone, Before this thread turns into yet another fruitless (and endless) discussion, may I remind you that we have the 4.0 to prepare and that we will have a marketing conference call on the 17th. We already have open action items. For instance we're still looking for volunteers who can design a nice webpage with the most important features of the 4.0 (described here:https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0) Also we are looking for volunteers who can help with mapping out the overall LibreOffice community. Thank you, Charles-H. Schulz. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice vs. MS Office
Dear All, I would like to re-open the discussion on this topic, which was discussed a couple of weeks back. I already mentioned in a previous mail that we offer LibreOffice workshops for clerical and support staff of many organisations, such as government offices and universities, free of cost. What is interesting is that the participants learn advanced features of the software, for example, track changes and the like. Most of them, however, are not aware of such advanced techniques in MS Office. The reason is that no one teaches these things on MS Office - the training programme is possibly expensive or only limited seats are available in a training programme. Thus, even if LibreOffice is less powerful (for argument sake), it is used effectively - even the advanced features are known to the users. In comparsion, the MS Office is used less effectively, even if it is more powerful, once again, for argument sake. Thus, the LibreOffice users end up being better users of the software, compared to the MS Office users. The above observation got corroborated in a blender workshop that we organised. Here is a feedback from an official of the organisation, where we conducted this workshop. /"The workshop as informed to you earlier over phone was really successful. By the end of four days the participants were very happy and confident in developing 3D animation. Earlier they were using licensed products which did not actually fulfill our requirements of 3 D animation. Added to that they were also introduced to interactive game development using Blender. In the four days they were introduced to modeling, lighting, 3D Animation and interactive games. The best part was the spoken tutorials helped them get ready with the installation, interface and utilities of Blender before the physical workshop in the IGNOU campus. Spoken tutorials were really useful as the participants could use them time and again as reference material even when the physical workshop was on. We are very happy with the workshop and looking forward to an advanced level workshop." /Kannan -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice news in an Indian Newspaper
Dear Eliane, Thanks for your kind words. I am marking this mail to Hassan, who wrote this article for Midday. He may be in a position to find this information. Regards, Kannan Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote: Hi Kannan, Congratulations!!! Do you have the contact of this publication? I would like the permission to translate this story for brazilian LibreOffice Magazine, that will be released in February. Thanks a lot. Best Eliane Domingos de Sousa Brazilian LibreOffice Community Em 11-01-2013 15:09, Kannan Moudgalya escreveu: A newspaper story on our work gives good publicity to LibreOffice: http://www.mid-day.com/lifestyle/2013/jan/100113-found-blueprint-for-a-computer-literate-india.htm Kannan -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice news in an Indian Newspaper
A newspaper story on our work gives good publicity to LibreOffice: http://www.mid-day.com/lifestyle/2013/jan/100113-found-blueprint-for-a-computer-literate-india.htm Kannan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice on Aakash
No, we cheated! LibreOffice is not working on Android. We got Linux working on Aakash in native mode. Kannan Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) So LibreOffice is working on at least some Android tablets. Possibly all. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Kannan Moudgalya *To:* marketing@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Friday, 4 January 2013, 3:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice on Aakash I have now put this at this link: http://www.che.iitb.ac.in/faculty/km/libreoffice.jpg Kannan Moudgalya wrote: > Dear All, > > The attached picture shows LibreOffice starting up in the Ubuntu 12.0 native installation on the low cost tablet, Aakash. > > Kannan > -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org> Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice on Aakash
I have now put this at this link: http://www.che.iitb.ac.in/faculty/km/libreoffice.jpg Kannan Moudgalya wrote: Dear All, The attached picture shows LibreOffice starting up in the Ubuntu 12.0 native installation on the low cost tablet, Aakash. Kannan -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice on Aakash
Dear All, The attached picture shows LibreOffice starting up in the Ubuntu 12.0 native installation on the low cost tablet, Aakash. Kannan -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Promoting LibreOffice in India
Dear All, We have been promoting LibreOffice in a big way in India. We have created 63 original ten minute Spoken Tutorials and a total of more than 200 tutorials dubbed into a few Indian languages. These are released at http://spoken-tutorial.org under CC, BY, NC, ND license. We conduct a large number of free SELF workshops using these tutorials. We have trained tens of thousands of people in the last one year alone on how to use LibreOffice. We expect to do a lot more this year. Merry Christmas and Happy New year. Regards, Kannan Moudgalya IIT Bombay India -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS and helping migration to Scilab from Matlab http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://spoken-tutorial.org/What_is_a_Spoken_Tutorial_English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
