Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO North American group
On 10/12/2010 05:07 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > I would rather like to see one specific group for the US market ... even if > it means have another group for Mexico and one for Canada, but I'm just a lousy European, How about creating one group for North America: Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, Canada, United States, Mexico, and the Caribbean countries other than Cuba until there are enough people in a country for it to be self-sustaining. The United States has Byzantine laws, when it comes to Cuba. I am assuming that the Saint-Pierre and Miquelon marketing team would benefit more from being part of the Canadian marketing team, than it would be from being part of the French marketing team. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] list name for the US group
On 10/12/2010 07:39 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Trying to get some structure in, so any advice welcome. ISO 639-3 language code, then .libreoffice.org: These are used for localization projects. ISO 3166-2 country code, then .then libreoffice.org: These are used for marketing projects. disc...@nz.libreoffice.org would discuss marketing in New Zealand. disc...@mri.libreoffice.org would discuss Māori localization issues. disc...@glv.libreoffice.org would discuss Manx localization issues. disc...@im.libreoffice.org would discuss marketing in the Isle of Manx. I realize that there are some edge cases with this approach. For example: disc...@str.libreoffice.org would discuss Straits Salish localization issues. disc...@shl.libreoffice.org would discuss Southern Puget Sound Salish localization issues. disc...@ca.libreoffice.org for marketing Straits Salish in the Pacific Northwest. disc...@us.libreoffice.org for discuss marketing Southern Puget Sound Salish in the Pacific Northwest. or disc...@wa.us.libreoffice.org for marketing Southern Puget Sound Salish disc...@bc.ca.libreoffice.org for marketing Straits Salish. Using the assigned ISO numbers, rather than letters would be more language and country neutral. Note: I'm using Straits Salish and Southern Puget Sound Salish as examples. I don't know if there are enough users of either language, to be able to provide either a UI, or documentation in either language. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice"
On 10/14/2010 12:00 AM, Andy Brown wrote: > Basically that if you use open source the instant support, like a help desk, > is not there. It is not there and can not be at no cost to the end user. There are a couple of places that offer 7/24 hour support for FLOSS. But that support is not gratis. (Anybody that thought that FLOSS equated to gratis is going to suffer a major case of sticker shock, when they see the cost of that support. On the flip side, these places tend to be far more accommodating in adding software to the list of what they support, than the organizations that offer support for non-FLOSS packages. > The OOo site was links to paid support but I have no idea how often it was used. The OOo site had links to firms that allegedly, but did _not_ provide paid support. Andy wrote (in a different message): > Not everyone that uses a computer has the will to learn when for years all they had to do was pickup a phone. +1 If a list of organizations that provide non-gratis support for FLOSS is made, full and complete contact information for that organization needs to be provided: * Organization name; * Voice number; * Fax number; * Physical address; * Mailing address; * email addresses; * Website; * Name and address of the registered agent of the organization; * Per incident charge; * Date that the information was last updated, or last verified; That data should also be verified at least once every ninety one days. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice"
On 10/14/2010 02:20 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: > But the problem discussed was not 1st and 2nd line support - it was on 3rd > and 4th level support. For fourth level support, you pretty much have to have developers for the software in question. The virtue of FLOSS, is that you have source code, and if you have, or hire programmers, things that require 4th level support can be done in-house. The vice of FLOSS, is that since source code is available, nobody advertises the fact that fourth level support is available. Both of these factors also apply to third level support. > Yes we do great at supporting individual users and small business Maybe. For an individual, or SOHO that is willing to spend the time browsing the forums, reading the documentation, subscribing to the lists, that support is good. For the individual or SOHO that wants to pick up the phone, the difficulty in finding a usable phone number for an organization that provides paid support, implies that support is not good. Where things go really wrong, is when the individual is hit with the per incident charge. "You want how much per phone call?" It isn't that the charge is outrageous --- it is in line with what Microsoft charges. The issue is that consumers are not used to paying the same prices as corporations are, when it comes to software support. >the presentation was on supporting medium to large organizations. The vendors in that area have tended to provide support contracts only for their flavour of OOo, and not the "generic" program. One has to extensive digging into the OOo website, to find out that support contracts are available. Other than Sun, those companies are, for all practical purposes, not listed on the OOo website. > This is where, IMO, we need to focus some thought - how will the document > foundation grow this type support environment. +1 jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice"
On 10/14/2010 05:31 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > I haven't had time to test LibO much, but OOo has those features MSO implements them is a way that is slightly different. I don't remember the precise differences, but one of them was that in MSO, one could have the macro repeat "x" times, where the "x" was selected by the user when first invoked. Another difference is that the code in the MSO macro can be edited, and reused elsewhere, which is not the case with the OOo macro. >(though perhaps not as many special characters as Word, it can search for para marks & tab marks), I don't know if it is MSO, or Windows, but for those that know the UTF-8 value of a character, it is easier to enter special characters in MSO on Windows, than OOo on Linux. (OTOH, MSO on Windows gives me the Blue Screen Of Death within ten minutes of starting it --- every version since roughly Word4Windows (¿MSO 1?) on W4WG through MSO2K7 on Win7.) For OOo, you pretty much need to install the alt-find extension, to do decent regex searching. What makes regex searching slightly more difficult, is that MSO and OOo use different flavours of regex. > so I'm surprised to hear that LibO doesn't. I'm not. OOO, and LibO do things just slightly differently enough from MSO, that people that never learned how to use an Office Suite, are utterly unable to find the function that they are looking for. (MOUS Master Certification does not mean that one has learned how to use an office suite --- to the point that there appears to be an inverse correlation between that certification, and the ability to use any random office suite.) jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] list name for the US group
On 10/15/2010 12:32 PM, James Walker wrote: > be to put the US and Canada in a group. and then try to put Mexico in a > group with other Cental American countries where spanish is the language that > they speak. I think that there should be at least one person who is part of the US group, and also part of the Mexico group. This is to simply co-ordination of materials/events, and other things, that both marketing groups would be using/need. (The Mexican team may want to be present at events in Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and, possibly Florida. There are a couple of Mexican states, where the US marketing team might want to attend events.) There are a couple of other countries where the cross-border situation is such, that they might want to have representatives on each other's marketing team. (Southern Africa for one: South Africa, Swaziland, Lesotho, Botswana. Maybe also Namibia & Mozambique. When Zimbabwe finishes imploding, it can be added.) jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] list name for the US group
On 10/15/2010 02:27 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: > For the moment, let's use the general marketing list. No, no, a thousand times no. a) One of the major problems with OOo marketing in the US, was that they did not have their own list. Combining a generic, worldwide marketing policy with a geographically limited marketing list is going harm at least one, and probably both groups. b) Should the generic marketing list really be filled with messages about whether or not to attend an event at, say, Wounded Knee? Or discussions about how to present LibreOffice to First Nations? jonathon --- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] OpenOffice.org Roles
On 10/16/2010 06:24 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > What next are they going to request all that are connected to the > LibreOffice community that to stop being part of the OOo community? That would be a stupid request, but given what both Pavel and Louis wrote, I wouldn't be surprised if that request is made. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming
On 10/22/2010 10:05 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > I did the same, but used the LibreOffice colors (adding an ocher yellow for > Draw) Which brings up the colour palette. Has the Libre Colour Palette (or whatever it was called) been added to the standard palette for LibO? I have it on my system, but that is because I added it to my custom palette. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] list name for the US group
On 10/12/2010 09:56 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > So I don't think it to be appropriate to differ between marketing and > localization only by different ISO codes. ISO 639-3 language codes are three letters. ISO 3166-2 country codes are two letters. disc...@de.libreoffice.org would be the German marketing list. disc...@deu.libreoffice.org would be the German localization list. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice"
On 10/15/2010 11:46 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > When we get to the point where level 3 and 4 support is available through > 3rd parties, Just to be clear. There are organizations that provide level 3 and level 4 support for OOo --- Generic OOo. Whether or not they have hopped onto the LibreOffice wagon, I do not know. I haven't named them for the following reasons: * I don't remember their names; * They do so only on a contract only basis; * They are regional/local in scope. (Cover one European country or one state in the United States, or half a state in Canada and Australia.); * Their specific support offers changes according to their current client list. (If they think that they can provide twenty customers with outstanding support, and they currently have twenty customers, they are not going to accept new clients. OTOH, if they currently have nineteen customers, they may take on a new client that requires level 3, but not level 4 support. On the gripping hand, if they currently have five clients, they will take on fifteen new clients. I am using the number of clients as an example. AFAIK, that specific number does not hold for any of the organizations I'm thinking of.); # no "drilling" into the site My suggestion would be to have the following categories on the page labelled "Support": Free support: This support is most suitable for individuals. Paid Level 1 support: This support level is suitable for individuals, SOHO, and organizations that want per incident support; Paid Level 2 support: This support level is most suitable for small and medium business; Paid Level 3 support: This support level is most suitable for medium to large businesses. Paid Level 4 support: This support is most suitable for large businesses. This level of support provides customization of the program, to the specific business requirements. Paid Migration support: This support is for individuals or organizations that are migrating to LibreOffice from either no software, or any other software. Something that would be nice to have, would be a public wiki that covers virtually everything that Level 1 and Level 2 support would need to know. Something that was designed so that the end user that knows nothing about the program, could find an answer, without having to make a phone call, email a question. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice"
On 10/24/2010 12:53 AM, Michel Gagnon wrote: >> Free support: This support is most suitable for individuals. >> >> Paid Level 1 support: This support level is suitable for individuals, >> SOHO, and organizations that want per incident support; >> >> Paid Level 2 support: This support level is most suitable for small and >> medium business; >> >> Paid Level 3 support: This support level is most suitable for medium to >> large businesses. >> >> Paid Level 4 support: This support is most suitable for large >> businesses. This level of support provides customization of the program, >> to the specific business requirements. >> >> Paid Migration support: This support is for individuals or >> organizations that are migrating to LibreOffice from either no software, >> or any other software. >> >> Something that would be nice to have, would be a public wiki that covers >> virtually everything that Level 1 and Level 2 support would need to >> know. Something that was designed so that the end user that knows >> nothing about the program, could find an answer, without having to make >> a phone call, email a question. >> >> jonathon > > One thing that has to be clear on the website: apart from IT specialists > and maybe a few administrators in large corporations, most people don't > know anything about those levels. Maybe the levels 3 and 4 could > remained defined that way, >but the more basic levels should be defined in terms human beings understand. # Free Support: This is the support that is available from browsing the wiki, reading the available documentation, and asking questions on the web forums, or mailing lists. This support is available gratis. # Paid support: * Phone / e-mail Support (Paid Level One Support): This level of support is suitable for individuals, and organizations that are willing to pay for the privilege of being able to pick up the phone and have their questions answered. The essential difference between this support and Free Support is that you are paying for your query to be immediately answered; * In person support (Paid Level Two Support): This level of support is suitable for individuals and organizations that are willing to pay for an individual to physically come to their premises, and be shown how to solve their issue; * Off site customization (Paid Level Three Support): This level of support is intended for medium to large businesses that want specific functions or capabilities that can be obtained by writing an extension to LibO; * On site customization (Paid Level Four Support): This level of support is intended for medium to large businesses, that require extensive customization of LibreOffice, to integrate with their work flow, or specific business needs. * Paid Migration Support: This support is for all users (individual, corporate, enterprise) of LibO. It covers issues such as: * How to set up LibO; * How to access documents created with other software in LibO; * LibO training; * Workflow integration; * Differences with other software; Depending on the situation, this can be either in person, or by phone. I realize that these descriptions do not line up with the usual industry definition or description. I'm trying to phrase it so that Joe Sixpack can make a reasonable guess about the support he wants, and is willing to pay for. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Invite a pro graphic artist to contribute logo/icon design [was: Conference call tomorrow]
On 10/25/2010 12:44 PM, David Nelson wrote: > 2) What set of standard tools do you want to work with? (Gimp and Inkscape? > Anything else?) I'm aware of the failings of Draw, when compared with The Gimp and Inkscape. Nonetheless, I think that Draw should be considered as one of the standard tools which will be used. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice"
On 10/26/2010 01:05 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > Do the levels line up? I think so. Level 2 support doesn't always require an in person visit. But an in-person visit should be by at least a level 2 support person. [I'm talking about the theory, not the practice.] I'm not happy with the description I gave for Migration Support. This is a sub-category of either level 1 or Level 3 support. This will be rewritten when an organization that provides migration support is listed. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] US Marketing link on Marketing Wiki
On 10/27/2010 06:15 PM, James Walker wrote: > Looking at these pages, I am not sure that it is necessary to seperate out the US and Canada at this point, The hope is that eventually the United States can be independent of Canada. That the United States won't need to point to Canadian success stories, because there are united states success stories. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice with Windows on new computers: why not?
On 10/31/2010 04:39 AM, Marc Paré wrote: >>>> money involved in it, but would it be possible to convince the major >>>> manufacturers to install the latest version of LibreOffice alongside the >>>> other software and crapware they include in their new computers? How much are you paying the OEMs for each install of LibO? >>> What I *could* see happening, and where I think OOo missed the boat, is >>> boxed sales. Several companies offer rebranded OOo as boxed software. >> A distributor wholesales the software with a support package. This support package is backed up by helpdesk staff who have been through the INGOTs programme. Try this for a more accurate description of what you mean. TokiKantoor creates a three DVD and paperback book package. Let's call it LibreOffice TokiKantoor Edition. Joe Sixpack purchases LibreOffice TokiKantoor Edition. Joe Sixpack has a 7/24 phone number to call for support issues. TokiKantoor is responsible for handling all support issues either by phone, or in person, for consumers that bought LibreOffice TokiKantoor edition. TokiKantoor is responsible for getting its package into the wholesalers, and distributors. B&T, Ingram, The Distributors, CBD, etc. TokiKantoor is responsible for getting its package (LibreOffice TokiKantoor Edition) into the various retail channels. Amazon, B&N, WallMart, Target, Costco, Office Depot, Game Stop, etc. [OK, I'm assuming somebody ports LibO to the XBox 360, Wii, or other game console, for Game Stop to carry it. Bible Study Software is available on those platforms, so why not an office suite?] >> Same thing applies to OEM, they sell a machine with LibO preinstalled with >> media and Manual. Historically, and typically, for the us at least, OEMs are paid for the software that they pre-install. This is one reason why Linux boxes are more expensive than Windows boxes. > However, we do have to be careful not to alienate users who will later find > out that the distro is a free download. They would need some kind of great value for their money .. as you said support package; clipart; manual etc. People are willing to pay for convenience. Which is what the package offers. >This would obviously require creating a worldwide helpdesk system. Call center support could be rolled out on a country by country basis. Preferably start with a call center in Namibia, Western Cape, or other country that has low labour costs. (Call centers are abandoning India, because costs there are too high.) >I am not quite sure if this would satisfy this user who would have paid at the retail level even with all of the perks. If the package contains: * hard copy manual; * DVD of The Open ClipArt collection; * DVD that includes all known templates, all known extensions, all known dictionaries, all known languages packs, and the other goodies that are available; * DVD includes Windows (32 bit and 64 bit), Mac OS X, and various *Nix packages; then most people will be satisfied. (Three DVDs and a hard copy manual). > If you consider the amount of dollars that TDF/LibO would have provide > worldwide to print manuals and press DVD's and this as often as the major > update to the distro, POD production is the most expensive for the consumer, but the least expensive for the distributor. If a hard copy manual is included, that will be what sets the price of the package. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation
On 10/29/2010 01:29 PM, James Walker wrote: > Maybe something that we should think about is creating a Document Foundation > family of products. This could go in one of four directions. # LibO on more platforms: * Android; * iPhone/iPod/iPad; * Symbian; * RIM; * WinMo7 * Wii; * X-Box 360; * Sony PlayStation 3; * Cloud based; # Additional packages that supplement LibO. * Zotero; * The Gimp; * Blender; * Scribus; * Inkspace; * Sunbird; * Project management; * Etc; # Incorporate the additional packages into LibO; # Incorporate the additional packages into LibO, and expand into other platforms; > I would not really put more products into the main LibreOffice software, Some things could be done as extensions, albeit they would be fairly heavy extensions. > One thing we really need to think about is an email/calender product. What happened to the calendering extension for OOo? What happened to the documentation that explained how to utilize Thunderbird's contact list within OOo? What happened to the documentation that explained how to utilizes Lightning's calenders within OOo? I don't use the existing email functionality within OOo/LibO to know how well it functions. > and some kind of project management product What happened to the OOo extensions that covered project management? Why did the OOo project management development team die. (Their part of the OOo website looks like it hasn't been touched since mid-2005.) > Of course the easy thing to do would be a partnership with Mozilla, and use > Thunderbird, and Lightening. Look at the results of the existing partnership between OpenOffice.org and The Mozilla Foundation. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Obstacles to ODF adoption
On 10/28/2010 11:40 PM, Inge Wallin wrote: >> the fastest growing (Cell phones) MSFT is nowhere but unfortunately neither >> is LO/OOo :-( > But KOffice is! So ODF is still strong on cell phones, There is nothing at http://www.koffice.org/download/ or http://www.koffice.org/ that even hints that it is available for any cell phone. Using their search button, there are no results for "symbian", "windows mobile", "iphone", "ipad", "ipod", "blackberry". The only hits for "nokia" were about it sponsoring KOffice development. That is not the way to market your product. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Obstacles to ODF adoption
On 10/28/2010 05:14 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: >> Or get a port of LO/OOo to cell phones! > is someone working on that? :) I've been giving it some thought. The first issue/stumbling block is rewrite the code in a more portable language. (Objective C looks like the best candidate, simply because both Android and the iPhone/iPod/iPad can share the same code base.) Symbian wants code in Java. The second issue/stumbling block is that the LGPL is incompatible with iPhone App store rules. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Obstacles to ODF adoption
On 10/28/2010 04:21 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: >> Religious organizations are another are where costs and document portability >> might not be a major concern because everyone is using the Small non-profits tend to have big issues with compatibility, because they typically use old software that is no longer supported. Those microsoft grants are not all that they are cracked up to be. So much so, that even with a grant, the costs involved in complying with the terms of the grant are such, that the organization would be better off refusing the grant. >> same thing so there are no problems > have met many people from small congregations in the forums One of the big hurdles that FLOSS advocates have to face, when trying to migrate religious organizations to FLOSS, is the lack of usable software that is functionally equivalent to their (usually pirated) Windows product. The significant software there is the one that handles membership data, scheduling, sermon preparation, service co-ordination, lyric presentation, and any number of church stuff that nobody but the church secretary, the board of elders, and the pastor know about. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation
On 10/30/2010 09:31 AM, David Nelson wrote: > IMHO, it would be important to be able to also field LibO on tablets and > other mobile appliances. + > But, I don't see current implementations of tablets and other mobile appliances totally replacing desktops and laptops in the near term. How far away is "the near term". > There's a lot of work that is better done on a conventionally-sized keyboard > and display (I'm sure enterprise users would agree). Most _real_ work in the enterprise is either looking up data, or entering data. Creating pretty pictures, and writing pretty pictures is not real work. For data entry, a seven inch screen with a keypad is adequate. For data lookup, a seven inch screen is also adequate. Granted, i am assuming that the database, and UI is designed logically with both i18n and a11y in mind. (Something that most software manages to fail at.) > As for the idea of going cloud-based? Do I really need to explain why being able to setup and run your local FLOSS cloud is a required next step? >Huge development effort: the resemblances in the code base between a desktop-based application and a server-based app must be very limited. Only the user interface might look visually similar. The code difference isn't that much bigger than between two platforms that have different chip architectures and different bit sizes. Intell 486 v PowerPC chip, for example. > Nor can one ignore that Google, Zoho and Microsoft have a big headstart. Unless I've missed something, their offerings are closed source products that can not be locally installed. >I'm not at the mercy of network factors or the whims of *any* organization. > However, there's obviously a big potential to use Web-based community > dictionaries, translation engines, templates, bibliographical services, online storage services, and other stuff we haven't even thought of yet... There is a slight contradiction between those two statements. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Hey
On 11/01/2010 10:22 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: >> Where can I find the financial disclosure for the legal entity known as >> OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V ? > why would you need that? In the united states, a non-profit, that is neither a private foundation, nor a religious organization is obliged to provide, upon request, a copy of the form that they submit to the IRS. No reason for the request is required. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice with Windows on new computers: why not?
On 11/01/2010 04:41 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > We would have to estimate the costs of producing this retail box package Assuming US production, budget US$5,000 for miscellanous upfront expenses, and then US$15,000 for 1,000 units that contain one trade paperback manual, and 4 DVDs. That puts the MSRP at roughly US$60.00. US$49.99 is the highest amount that stays within the "impulse purchase" budget. >So running a universal helpdesk would not be possible. Depending upon various factors, that might be possible. The most likely scenario is that the helpdesk function is contracted out to a third party, that can charge for that providing that assistance. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation
On 11/01/2010 05:52 PM, Marc Paré wrote: >> Look at the results of the existing partnership between OpenOffice.org and >> The Mozilla Foundation. > Sorry, I don't know where to find these. Could you point me to them? http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/mozilla-to-deliver-calendar-functionality-for-openofficeorg/ is one announcement about a specific project. http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/09/openofficeorg-documents-within-firefox/ describes what might be the only thing that migrated into OOo. > Was there a partnership? Yes. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice with Windows on new computers: why not?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/01/2010 05:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > can you please use the correct sender for this list? I have to moderate > all of your messages... If any of my messages don't come from a subscribed address, reject them/bounce them back. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJMzwhtAAoJEE8xzHVMSp/mHxkP/2OxTauY95Xj2Thqgxi6l7lC 9T/SRNgSMrPNxMurvZwIjd29KgJAz8zDiabRCLfK/RQdarkkGMnF+E+099wfpGrb 4S9r2OzvnEBp97bUYX4le71gyr8HbQ/gX2jvyyQbQuTLedI/usYv1q7Bu8Pcgwe1 v7SYtsVo7NAyNhCa6+GGvLSVLAnrD5oUYZK6dXszggWDbtp7SUWNl7m6qtbAAG18 Oa1+PIAgcx1wnfjZv5MB8TzxjhTjNGYhWvitEJt3fGC10S4Np+ZQE6+fs77bXA8b ESk9sso5Fdw8ZgsNNqGFItYE6dfxhXBMNV6PQ4ulJmAitGPzPCLUFdO152r6xD/x SXhlzmz3rOPuRi/pdytCgIHTJ3Z6cUT1GeOSB2rKUgTKnPw0tqznqdRsNfpAht+R QCLQa7FeQtm/3NGyhF6IlWPI0qLgMo68Nslag8dZD+34UwCWOvAZ6lujeoBd+22J i8K2UcidJDHgggkSKbBPK1SOKj/2sFFn/EYlfX2hnMxvbiJmdH+Xg2npaQyovhzY GbQpN67YehqTZIB4oGwhBflg71lHns9tGpS+iQdsYYs51awRYYi4NHPBg+pLiIXc m4VFU9ZZiIWn2jrUanTrg3r01vZzZMFblSxWJtGA+4j7hbFNrCIQXRQRJ7L8TVeM Bxng5WJkITOATyZod4v9 =CZVq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/02/2010 05:43 PM, Marc Paré wrote: >The members would be picked according to their expertise in these categories. The ability to create a template is more important that knowledge of the field. > If we were to setup a Templating Team group and published a large variety of > templates, then the LibO suite would become more valuable as an Office suite > for everyone. My suggestion would to be provide a templating_team with the specifications for the template, and let them create the template. A clean room implementation of the template. > creating some templates for Evangelical church routines. For some things, such as membership records, a database is required. (I'm not going to get into a PICK v RDBM debate here.) For others, a simple Write, Calc, or Impress template is suitable. In an ideal situation, there is a database_creation team, that works in conjunction with the template_creation team. The template_creation team create a calc, impress, or write template, that is then passed on to the database_creation team. This (database) team then determines whether this is something that is suitable for a database, and if so, creates a database, and the associated interface requirements. [Database rant: LibO should either add SQLite as a built in database engine, or else replace Base database engine with SQLite.] My guess is that some, if not most of the databases, will have to be constructed as extensions. For example, a genealogical database would have to be able to both import, and export data in GEDCOM format. With experience, the database_creation team and the template_creation team can construct templates, extensions, databases, and other items that are on a par with those for MSO that have an MSRP of US$10K+. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzQ8jUACgkQaC1raifmCuFdBACeOL6NHxl6m2WfZcwh0vASoVZH x4kAnRY+92531vKb9MwmQ3ZOopPcl/l+ =pbjt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/2010 07:18 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > How about, where it is possible to use Base in templates, then it will be > used. If my rant was not clear, I don't think Base, as a database engine, is suitable for anything. Which is why I brought up SQLite. > Do you know if many devs know their ins and outs of Base? Only the Java specialists. > How does this sound? That should work. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzRM44ACgkQaC1raifmCuGvlQCdF2e8/GotmjPrn7Aon8CFTsrx si8Anjs7HbLOLxZVSa4Z1VwMYdQmDJLq =yrnd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
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On 11/03/2010 02:09 PM, KAMI911 KAMI911 wrote:
> Lost of templates
Whilst that ("lost" should be "lots") is a typo on Kami's part, there
are templates, macros, extensions, and other goodies for OOo that are,
for all practical purposes, lost.
That lost material can't be reclaimed.At best, if somebody remembers
roughly what they did, and can provide enough details about them, then
they can be implemented afresh.
I haven't looked at the current (2010) collection of goodies that
OxygenOffice has. In searching other places for templates and
extensions, I found a number that were for OOo 1.x only. Things that had
not been reimplemented for OOo 3.x. Perhaps a team could convert those
1.x only items to something usable by LibO 3.x.
jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/2010 07:48 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > All you need to "create a repository" is drive space on the web. a) I've got some templates, colour palettes, and a dictionary or two for OOo out there somewhere on the web. The issue I found with free sites, is that the content doesn't always stay there. The issue with both gratis and paid sites, is promoting the goodies. b) Whilst an individual can create their own repository, once there are twenty or so personal repositories, nobody is going to know where to find anything, unless somebody spends one or two weeks a month, working 40 hour weeks, doing nothing but locating what is available that week from which site. c) Ideally, there would be a place where people could upload their LibO content, where it could be vetted for copyright and other legal stuff, prior to being made available for public distribution. Not just templates, but extensions, colour palettes, dictionaries, clipart, and whatever other goodies people throw onto LibO. OK, clipart probably should be sent to open-clipart.org. [Now trying to remember the legal issue that led to the templates I created not being distributable from http://templates.services.openoffice.org/ ] jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzR+RwACgkQaC1raifmCuFpHgCgnaGJApEplyDm5h6H0wwR19c+ WfQAniWxx0L58822tLrIYl4SH3xLxRX3 =Nba4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Advice Needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/05/2010 06:42 PM, David Nelson wrote: > I think it's a pity that TDF isn't planning to work up a revenue stream like > paid technical support, in a Canonical style. That model requires a for-profit entity sitting in the wings, handing over money when needed. > would be interesting to know why, if someone wanted to take time out to > explain... 0.2 cents. A non-profit in the US is restricted in the amount, and type of revenue that is generated, without incurring a tax penalty. Essentially, all profit-generating activity has to be done at an arm's length. How long that arm has to be, depends upon the activity, the type of non-profit, and perhaps one or two other things. The rules for non-profits in other countries are different. So much so that what is legal there, might well not be legal in the united states, and vice versus. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzUnNQACgkQaC1raifmCuGEbQCfRdAXw/9DBJdEtaX0XmHdpSDI OIIAoJKpAb1h6WQ9MwcE04Ooe7rA3k4f =xFA+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/07/2010 05:23 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > If we are to offer templates as part of our web service, LibO has to offer templates on its own website. There are so many microsoft office templates listed on the template section of the openoffice.org website, that the entire template section has to be treated as a microsoft office template repository. > If we are to offer these services in a cooperative way, I'm not intrinsically opposed to cooperation with other projects for which things can be shared: * Colour palettes: Possibly something could be done in conjunction with _The Create Project_. In an ideal wolrd, LibO would utilize .gpl format. * Clipart: Work with OpenClipArt.org; * Fonts: Link to Omniglot, and the various libre font archives; # Dictionaries and grammar checkers need to be in their own section. They should not be treated as either templates, not extensions. A search for extensions should not bring up either dictionaries nor grammar checkers. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzYWcgACgkQaC1raifmCuGUqgCfUF3we09MwoBHZmcfqTQjoXHy kPAAn2AsfRBHnEfII90Sc6sR6ixExwP4 =YWQy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/07/2010 07:47 PM, Michel Gagnon wrote: > 1. I think templates are completely different from software development. They > may help "sell" LibreOffice, but there doesn't have to be any link between > those who design LibreOffice (both the code and user interface) and those who design templates. You are right. The organization that writes the software does not need to write the templates. In the case of Microsoft Office, the overwhelming majority of templates are written by independent organizations. The major reason for LibreOffice to create the templates, is marketing. > So in a nutshell, templates that work in LibreOffice will work in OpenOffice, with the other The issue I have, is that other template repositories that claim to be for ODF, contain templates for Microsoft Office. Templates that may or may not work as advertised with LibO, but are gauaranteed to confuse everybody. > 3. What about something like a forum (see http://libreofficeforum.org) where > posts would have a template attached to it? A forum would work, if users could _easily_ find the template they want. IOW, the user must be downloading the template, within three clicks of landing on libreofficeforum.org. > 4. There could also be a page linking to other websites with templates. As a supplementary measure, that work. > In my humble opinion, the more standardized documents people see, the more they will value LibreOffice. +1 jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM2F32AAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/j0UH/2zVXkbAOux4kp6qbAY0DR79 d+tjOnh3oZXLXdQBP2UgIOCOq9fnCIwfMiZc07PHQy1pYsDBd1YdPKHRG69/8ZZN 2TGC2cV+eCWLRlIsn7CQ42VmfBjy7n5s19f+XQu98Bbjsbg5ELDu+BJ3NDJcPbJY n96Fy/OkNr08YEfr3m1UNgR4LM3nYrBTiTD+CTHlbmkqpZf+q7o6ObpWsltkRJvD bqh1s6TBrRxguhc5bJJEqylkabawiiVl0nhOqALktrNsCV+cy+oggIuDPE75GpgX r5zZHUtFmtoJgIPEJEQ4I7pfKSUzqbSCd9tWQIi6rvqKPfTaxh1l2EXMxSzeuMo= =UsAC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] BrOffice Guys?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/07/2010 04:43 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > That might be a problem for the other product brandings * OOo4Kids; * OOoLight; * BrOffice; * LibreOffice; * OpenOffice.org; a) Which of those brandings would be likely to implement the proposed changes, and be negatively impacted by it; b) Are there any other brandings that might implement the proposed changes? If so, would they be negatively impacted by implementing the proposed changes? jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM2KS/AAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/gioH/RjGpY+vem4+DQ6X/NeLn/uH HNjx2ojlIJy6H7RmwpBbE6jgNOXWUOxX0vnFrecDCjp9oqleEW4dAgymE1O1AV/A GLs3iBO7zIyV/8E0P93p+U20rVrU/HD+LsljxHUUAv2dfm8qU60G451tbPsHYA7X CnnDEN0Zj1yRoKSSN6Qw68NlP5TC0JUbH2VpFfI97NLXMZSXcCdmTq7inefckXTj adKRuNDCPfe8gcaWOUGJhDizwUQ2J3LjdISuin6Zx3APKo9N4bRQd6KES0KgpgLc gSXYDSrmMMW/g7QSZKfcko/0kBTXCaru7hEeaOQKZAdGK5nBf+cNmsgG/g80uI4= =U8ps -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/09/2010 09:24 AM, Ivan M. wrote: > Sorry, that last sentence wasn't supposed to have a question mark. I read that question mark as asking if other people also thought it would be a good idea to contact the various distros, asking for advice on how to improve our branding, so that they (the other distros) don't replace our branding. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM2cwWAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/uBMIAMbFGIEeGux83Bd+1QRZG9v2 FMExz2sITz/Iea9D35C+2WlLxFz6vSnXAx6B35OZoB9R24vIrKDYhHpbWRhUxR8i vq2fnlRQO4Acxci/IVDUL7X0XJKBaG6Jkb51vsfPQ3++r7qsKoe5UjohqHWDe9B0 YBj3uU7gmSJ34eime/nisDrmCwxwDCZKJ+FQBdpgjYwYUrpEwHMVrhoWRZ5pSVpA PmF9syIVLbCOlcQmcP3sqFdGoRuZiufA19dmB90YgZxKq0TGPi5ppH1lT/v9mvPg LoDEiSIKiHP1kyVwnJhZsyhHaPtSwoCZI54teCEv0vExQLWfBqdJbtBEIhJy+XA= =niYg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation
On 11/01/2010 06:25 PM, David Nelson wrote: > H... tell that to the graphic designers, advertising people a) Their sole job description is to create pretty pictures; b) David Ogilvy pointed out that more than half of advertizing and marketing budget was wasted, because it targeted the wrong audience. > Erm Yes next step to what? ;-) Maybe I'm missing something? Cloud Server with NAS. Everything else is a client. Your TV, your PDA, your desktop, your laptop, your phone, your refrigerator, your freezer, your desktop, your dishwasher, your netbook, your security system are all clients that hook into _your_ cloud server. You'll be doing different tasks from different devices, and co-ordinating everything on your cloud. Everything in your home will be connected to everything else through your cloud. Whether or not that connection extends to systems outside of your cloud depends upon your network security system, and the permissions you have assigned to the various devices. > Are you perhaps thinking just of enterprise usage? No. > Well, AFAIK, increasingly, multi-platform apps are written using platform-independent languages like Java, Platform independence does not equate to cross-platform. > But, personally, I suspect that a team developing a cloud app that functioned > comparably to LibO might well decide to start coding from scratch rather than > trying to port the existing code base. One reason why I prefer the AGPL over the GPL and LGPL, is that the code for OOo cloud server would be available. As best as I can tell, it uses the same code as OOo. (More precisely, it appears to have the same bugs, and quirks as the version of OOo that it was based on has.) >wasn't Google offering its products to enterprises for private clouds? (Or was >it MS?) Both of them. Google might have gotten down to a large small business. Neither addressed the needs/requirements of a SOHO that needed a private cloud on their premises. >In any case, Ubuntu certainly does market private clouds [1]. So I've discovered. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Branding Color Refinement Step 3 of 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/10/2010 04:35 PM, Johannes Bausch wrote: > I've uploaded information on the three most common vision disabilities. Thanks. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3GgjAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/iAgH/3VnneugN1BBEtshHnjdbpgv 8zIr1vzn1RfIQfL8ON8Pavz825rWz0IfQ4gTX5J3IjDg+L8OAn8q+rVJUqb7vbEQ T1LJFKmMRgrRsL+zkrhdS7S4cGdEGV1dJiyVA0LVVnapHyZlXVkYXCj+Soyiv8nA bk0mQ84SmTGBVKgPrIW0yC3MUJ03k6UE+JfG1+7hKCdzruZE01KsNMPyovyKhAje PoT6PZ533uSTXXCoIIWWrMi/rLO5BCzm+onIwGwhKFM3fxPGZbU1quUbrBV88XDG jDPS1bEJomi76DZUmDYJSEsTq1gxi/rH3Xaf4eOsSxLKSNSQZXn2xRQNl2rVI2o= =lwYL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Slogan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/12/2010 04:07 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: > The background image is from > http://www.flickr.com/photos/nevercoolinschool/2785475907/sizes/l/in/photostream/ You'll have to contact the photographer about licensing rights. (The proposed usage is prohibited by the license that is displayed on flickr.) jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3TirAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/B8cIAJxVTAL/u7sxcCKUjtxupBpt LdNo354PZqsnvqog4Ma7sAsVUmm5aoPP5X8BN2oPqnOKCkGawcSBLaw9RRCQsNCU pbDdZv6LJ2TSyjAFrKdwQzm5kSLxwKRvfIzVYByUG67M9UMhSpc65Vhm/+cEALMQ ydG/hZvfyfsa2tMUSRRtj1qHzpGcLwyQzcHpi0VUZyfT3sAu6umg+rr8s34n+JD1 6Aa+4eLFYOt4PLckB8R6he2xtP7hBaF+LnQKFP9iGTIbq0Xf57qdKIswn04IEF0X pBy3B2fboTcGqhTvwnT3vCgFURuLoQsLi52bIXubE+uXtmEkhJjdGUlL0vLt428= =pAob -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/08/2010 09:30 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > I don't know exactly what "template section" you refer to, but the > official repository for OpenOffice.org templates at > http://templates.services.openoffice.org only accepts ODF files; of The last time I went browsing through that section, looking for a template, I kept hitting MSO templates. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3TneAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/KnoIAJe/FKJ/HrQe7EySraqXiRhG 5A7BZ+UR4OGGFNsevgtn5oyq34+4gPlGTOyzKiw9vqAn4rFiWecTOp6qyN57P0QV iAIEMjkfCFTqRQ+z3KO3uDjjISWnu8VXZic3+OXV9q/CTtwxzSSgzK/wQAVo3zgi jxe+l+roTXO5pStst5JsAZl5RSU5uPXLHSfPJnbOPk950w64qaM1NxMrBnkcgfLe z9dNUvg/4SGPauy1S04IwSNJdVupoH14RHqogGjqM7Yy8Bxc5zC2AWi5hyAt5ZBA vXtVJWjQJIrosa0BL3WHBqJiZUFwwBFXiPsZh1X7RmilyIqp0Hl9TrW9TYScLsw= =2qbE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/08/2010 11:08 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > I think our Drupal gurus would take up the challenge. The requested functionality is available as an add on module. (It is installed on the Drupal setup I theoretically administer.) jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3TojAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/NNAH/16w+7OJ+Wi66mPRMJ8SwIJH zX3VrP8xWnDRDXTOA2dB1bi9UFt24b64kNkDF/Rm/zRR6Toh96eYxVKlfq/lAQNg JiEkN1ta8RQBcnWsTlbXdGek4vw4kWlS7TMj6quG26jaem9XCgR47XYvKXO2UD89 1cm8sVoynHTwE0cqWgmKVLyw//8wWDM8WhADLrzvd8iIrB0TCQLE8urZEqQKhShq reZq0rvMdX0Qlea4OkrjwMSZujv5/8DZoWeDAtu7uMQbeKuj5M/I0IMjv89E+INc eZaNh+OFcKv9mPpP7ugFC4/4qNd2OHq/dxjGPnU0amS+Y1YBfkIU8fuXImyWtaI= =F/0S -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/09/2010 03:01 PM, David Nelson wrote: > Thanks for your time on that... I guess that puts a stopper on the paper > plane mascot idea then? The critical issue is not the words "paper plane", but rather what the image looks like. If the image is remotely similar to an existing trademarked image, then it can not be used. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3TpsAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/ozgH/0jvMm/4zcRow8ISLzjOvQex Il9lyK9t+M5CUyHGKgwadOn9fjjUxXSOfW+T9zz5tWwqCAMuSrn++HsSGjJ26G+v c3kFXJMMtO5vWPFLHn/Dvl+wh/KPvDCFdenzloO5EtM26KVwmfFRwv7pMxM/JUSp QGMv3qll/kkqmavlNnncbE4LkI2dPednmKC2FMBYkYr4aoptoFhuMW9U827Oaq6y xekFy3L8TwyIO9iG3UO3dtl26H9rQGYACShv7XMB1P93XUk+pnAr3sTL9QkJHTHb R7y/wSiJWq4wQRziCqlemOXhHcbDzk4WAFw9Crc5VQhguxwA5HqfsFvbxgXc+bw= =G1cB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Slogan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/12/2010 12:58 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: >> (The proposed usage is prohibited by the license that is displayed on> >> flickr > Huh, I read it just the opposite - non-commercial use with attribution sounds like like that is what this is. If it was CC-BY, or CC-BY-SA you'd be OK. The issue is that it is a CC-BY-NC license, and the proposed usage meets the criteria of "commercial endeavour". [I've come across several business that prohibit their employees from attending any conferences in the state of California, regardless of the connection of the conference to the company, because that attendance can trip the "commercial endeavour" criteria used by the California franchise tax board.] > Anyway, an email to the person would be standard practice for me, > But then I'm terrible at this license stuff. Since your standard is to contact the license holder, prior to distribution, to verify that the proposed usage is acceptable to them, then you are doing the required due diligence. Which means that even if you don't grok the license, you won't run afoul of the license. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3venAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/nTcH/1hTbOUv2dox702c9nX1EWHF iZ8M9gDxbUBLRbJKqwDtM6ahOIRF61t+uW/ITtnFXBSYgXzG/GdXidGBT7GH8iX0 fcbzcP+KUWITS1hgZY5qjEzYoSwEKnZ367HeDe7DKEx0SI9mto2/AbuVWa0CRWw8 wJFYbEBKWL5U5a/smpLi19YyC/jUX94/q32/jQGr64b2ISl41wcDWlnZNE3CQIZ2 Hy9c9F0+4DHiNvWw3MY13ZidwZO8Ntw3XT3va3+e5mDPmGdP3XzK4guH4WiZuvU9 Lbt2QHXbCFjG0IM5ZCFPo84kWRc386IeHiZRym7hTVvZyl8tJKwUxfL9fQ+q6C8= =9iNv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [LibreOffice Drink] Suggestions (branding colour palette)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/15/2010 08:26 AM, Simon Brouwer wrote: > I would advise against association of LO with an alcoholic drink. +1 Though my take would be due to religious reasons. (One sixth of the world's population adheres to a religion that prohibits the use of alcohol.) jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM4WhYAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/EV0IALlZ7zZwt/aTodGyT/k3GlPB DMDnXYY7H232EAfcNUX0N9nfKjCs7woN3kuvAC8qN6lkoIqWsx88v0RWGEBiy9zx bN8QvfIdDipsgY2AP1snPQeJaFUTfqddrA2Cru9m/Qq9l4mmApfwLu6C+diFal8m Va/JHZ6C66WWeyu4LR/Ql1lvVIzK2f0X5sEqE+OW4uq2UYVs1w8lRMyaFm7YdwsX X+WTZ9AV3obIqD5GR0pNuteAee+H9UJUACZ5pjgIx4c5oHncIEpR8SD0DoJ7K2AN IxW1NC03ppkfgWsTYCWjVaNqPZMVoJyCtIOZ1oti6ki99Yq90Ghr69oGtRvltHM= =7/58 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/15/2010 10:13 AM, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > What else are the governmental invitation for competitive bids in whatever > subject a government can be interested in? They are just "contests with > guidelines". And they work for whole states. Have you ever read the guidelines for government contracts for art work? Have you viewed the submissions for those contests? Have you seen the results of those contracts? > Contests worked well in the past A strong case can be made the the success or failure of LibO depends _exclusively_ on the branding. Branding that includes the logo. This is not something that should be left to whim. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM4XBMAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/398IAK1sylt2dcRg6x4L9K4iy6m9 QFRWARnmpytdCpPHxIvn0JgDQs+l5BPkAstURQh4qc77zjtf97xcHhG4OVS94HO6 6xokYnlv3uIa+7AkxfExxxXafNMyzwrqNsc2BwdfLOaJ+WpW/y0HF7ZiifdH5wKc /6pP94riAekL+p1lofEFsQcSEZbhPgEdsVH17qvxr/AyTRvfm9be8qnoYpPfJG33 1w9nCVi5UloBLLYA/DOXDmj10zbqwV4bKfTaLpyzt4gMiek3kL2U1H92m9dG4lxe ey4D3l1TLFjV6bQbtNhSXOWCtvOkVwDqhWXAnKCk+n1hm7o9ijqTXkQBwQlmeEU= =7K3m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] OOo Migration
All: I don't know how many people read _The changing shape of the desktop_ at http://whitepapers.theregister.co.uk/paper/view/1781/?td=m-pnl . On page eight is a graph showing planned migration from MSO2003, to MSK2K7, OOo, and Google Docs. Some people might find that data interesting. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "LibreOffice Magazine" -- official monthly magazine to the LibreOffice world
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/27/2010 02:47 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > Ok if this peaked your interest, then we should really plan on having a team producing such a beast. Isn't that one of the things on the agenda of the marketing conference call? jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM8kB3AAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/Zz0IAIBpbYjV19vA1/H/TaGdkhod 5A4nkQHodcd5W2BrqAox4j/N/zBjh1WtRLU5JMyPIDAavSrXxboNfP8kvhIuWkcF zoPtWlHtDz3fshs3sTw2buanhY/jobPSN5QCJPKK7F4cZ/uij4z4es5DYcQpukhQ IJs3JTk2CvZuRkDJqoMjyHiPzvzoTD0GFdKTum35fxcW+oPPU5xlcUOwV98DrUnl UwH5PUcW0LJLvmCNYOra+sgKJ79nAv92CnUcn2vEYTU6npk745pkEwviLZQc8aPu gvLLi/Odef18K768sooeayuo5by1ONAZvnsoVJcBZzI+AFITyrIy4GSAz/qcReI= =tb48 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] DVD Label Creation Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/30/2011 07:51 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: > Does anyone know of good DVD label making software for Linux or should I just > stick to something like LibreOffice Drawing? In both instances, you may run into one crucial problem. The DVD label sheets you have don't match any of the templates you can find. I ended up scanning the DVD label sheets I have, and then using the resulting image file as the template. jonathon - -- email sent to this with email address with a precedence of other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNSBz1AAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKtmYIAIc9k6mZH0Uiz9cnYFmE5a6k sp0l648oU/9y1StEyO/80yfhuxrDylyDnpfJg2aPb6xq7TLSHCBXZycrSHo0i08G 46f7vUTsANCBzVDcHZ+c9SAoSv1NCvb+9lSJGVFZ2EN9Bu+iUw2L630o0rvli6ng kpP0gbuuds5O0TtK1gBiCVOhONidlHnqAzXIsMv0maHPXUQUL02lsWIMWJYMDZwY WPwx/sVpaVw432KDUflO+qHq2OYJ8IZGEh6ZuQsWJnRNbLQ2lk8X1IwO2z1sKAMN II3hZM+l48cLVcAj0PqapsnIjepwtA+CC3Cz1bf1SotXZSqzTcZA7C/ii32JRgA= =d8XU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft: government switch to open source will cause "dissatisfaction"
On February 21, 2014 6:30:41 AM PST, Jay Lozier wrote: >When I read the article I got the sense of MS FUD claiming that people "need" >proprietary MS formats to be efficient. In one sense, MS is being "truthful". There is a huge ecosystem built around Microsoft's file formats: CRM, ERP, and similar software. However, there is nothing preventing the companies that create that software from also supportingt ODF in their products. (NOTE: I am assuming that Microsoft has not forced those vendors to sign contracts that prohibit them supporting non-Microsoft file formats. Given Microsoft's history, such a prospect is possible.) A second datapoint is that the major a11y vendors do not include support for FLOSS in the offerings. (Two of the biggest vendors have flat out promised that their software will never work correctly with FLOSS program.) >I also sensed that MS is very concerned about losing the European market to >FOSS and open standards/formats. Microsoft's issue with Europe is that unlike BRICS, bribes are more likely to have the company put into goal, than achieve the desired outcome. >governments believing they are doing the bidding of the US NSA. Any government that relies on any software produced by a foreign firm, is a government that is subjecting itself to known security flaws. -- Your language. Your documents. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LiboConf logo with Swiss cross
On March 4, 2014 8:41:03 AM PST, Sophie wrote: >where the "o" in "Conference" is the Swiss cross That might have trademark related issues. > may be try with the red cross ? That will trademark related issues. jonathon -- Your language. Your documents. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Weekly News #5 waiting for reviews
On September 14, 2014 1:24:55 PM PDT, William Gathoye wrote: >As promised, I advertised LOWN 5 on social networks [1] [2] > >Even, if LOWN was not intended as a public release [3], the >[3] "This newsletter is not really meant for people outside our >community." from >http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2014/09/14/strategy-workshop/ House organs have a long history of being the best PR produced by the organization. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Tokushima prefecture published LibreOffice manuals under CC BY 4.0
On October 5, 2014 10:38:34 PM PDT, Naruhiko Ogasawara wrote: >[2] http://www.pref.tokushima.jp/english/ 500 error. >[3] http://www.pref.tokushima.jp/docs/201108192/ 404 error. Did they get mangled in the email conversions? jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest
On 23/12/14 19:03, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: >IOW, providing a template without documenting it is stupid. Using MSO as an example, I've noticed that the more expensive the template, the more likely the only documentation is simply a list of material produced by other people and organizations. The prime example is those US$100,000 templates for MSO, where the documentation is a single letter size sheet, listing the primary reference texts in the field that the template is to be used in. Within the template, the only "instructions", are hints provided by the background colour of the various cells. Medium Red: Do not touch; Pale Green: Change this value; Pale Yellow: Enter value here; I've forgotten the rest of the background colour conventions. The users of those templates seem to think that further documentation is superfluous --- to the point that the support list is only for reporting bugs. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?
On 4/1/19 7:11 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > created an account over on the MeWe.com website following a number of folks One _huge_ issue with MeWe is that it is based in the United States. My understanding is that under US Case Law, the terms and conditions of usage of a website are meaningless, irrelevant, and are to be disregarded, in the event of bankruptcy, foreclosure, or any other condition in which the sale of data is fiscally prudent. Unfortunately, I no longer have the relevant case citations. _The California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018_ (CCPA) does not provide nearly as much in the way of personal data protection, as the EU GDPR. Personally, I think that it provides less in the way of personal privacy protection than the GDPR, but most of the material about it that I have read, claim otherwise. Furthermore, it (CCPA) only comes into effect 1 January 2020, and then only if there are no court cases that need to be completed. As an additional kicker, individuals outside of California, are excluded from its protection. Individuals residing within California are also excluded, if certain conditions are met. Whilst the GDPR is vague about both who, and where coverage applies, European privacy enforcement agencies have uniformly said that the location of the company that violates the GDPR doesn't matter, and that they will use the local equivalent of long arm statutes, to enforce it. (I think that the most recent harmonisation of the GDPR defined coverage to included both citizens and residents. For the time being, Estonian Digital Residents are excluded, unless they physically reside in the EU, or an area in which the GDPR is the law of the land.) I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Social Media site MeWe and possible presence?
On 4/1/19 11:00 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > IDK about simply being in the USA is a violation of GDPR, sounds a bit over > the top as far as an interpretation would go. I wasn't saying that being in the US is an automatic GDPR violation. Rather, that being in the US means that the GDPR can be ignored. > So I doubt the GDPR compliance is an unknown situation. Whilst their TOS goes to great lengths to look like the GDPR applies, their policies and practices page all but says that GDPR-related requests will be ignored. They are in compliance with the CCPA. TL;DR People in the US might join. People in the EU won't join. Both using the same rationale --- personal privacy protection. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: List of Web Hosting providers offering LibreOffice Online as part of their service?
On 4/17/19 1:49 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > So I think it would be good to create a list that has some chance of being > found if someone searched for 'Web hosts offering LibreOffice Online' or > something similar. A tutorial on setting up LibreOffice Online as a Digital Ocean droplet or AWS Instance or on NextCloud would probably be equally useful. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?
On 4/16/19 9:42 AM, Nigel Verity wrote: > That is a very interesting point. Perhaps the challenge is to create a > promotional video which appeals to both corporates and private individuals in > equal measure. Multiple videos, each focussing upon a different target audience: * BAILS/TSCP, security, and related features: Military and para-military organizations; * Linguistic diversity/ease of adding language support: Sspell checking, grammar checking, UI, documentation: First Nation Language advocates; * Privacy: Calls home only if you check the appropriate box, and then only when something goes wrong; * Crafting Work Product: How the different components work together, to produce great documents: # Demonstration of R being used as the macro language for Calc, ideally using a statistical technique that was only discovered/announced last week; # The process of writing the great American novel, proof reading, indexing, creating the front cover, and finally exporting everything as an ePub uploaded to SmashWords for public distribution as a retail book; Possibly outside the scope of LibO: * The why of FLOSS; * The virtue of open standards; ^1: The big issue is finding a language that pop-culture will recognize, whose franchise owner won't file a copyright infringement lawsuit. Which nixes Star Trek, Star Gate, Star Wars, Avatar, Game of Thrones, and Lord of the Rings. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice promo trailer?
On 4/17/19 9:11 PM, Roland Hummel wrote:
> "Yes, LO is nice but it won't beat MS Office because in MSO we will have
> artificial intelligence".
If the battlefield is functionality, and AI is important,in 2018, the
five most important AI programming languages were:
* Python;
* LISP;
* C++;
* Java;
* Prolog;
Two (Three? I'm not sure about C++) are built-in macro languages. LISP
and Prolog are easy enough to add.
There is documentation on installing and using R as a macro language.
Which underscores that the big issue in the functionality war, is not
what is available, but rather, the knowledge that the features are
available, and how to use them.
_TL;DR: Documentation, not implementation._
I'm not sure why being able to grab LinkedIn resumes from within Excel
is a good thing, but that is the type of functionality that Microsoft is
adding. IMNSHO, this type of functionality is best provided by extension
developers.
End users can more easily customize LibO, than MSO, etc.
> base of any argumentation because it is the only superior starting position
> LO has.
For most organizations, ethics is nothing more than a feel-good talking
point. Something that is neither implemented, nor observed.
As such, appeals based on ethical principles fall upon deaf ears.
> Starting from software freedom any further argumentation will convince (at
> least in societies claiming freedom as fundamental part of a society):
> -because LO is freedom respecting it is secure
> -because LO is freedom respecting it is privacy respecting
> -because LO is freedom respecting it serves the user
> -because LO is freedom respecting it is sustainable
Neither people nor organizations are concerned about those things, until
they discover that their data has been passed on to nefarious third
parties, by their software vendor.
A white paper showing how LibO meets requirements for various privacy
related legislation might be useful here.
Whilst such a paper might make LibreOffice Cloud Edition look bad, the
quasi-redeeming feature is that the user can control the cloud that it
is installed on.
> In this way LO will convince governments, companies, the educational sector
> and NGOs,
The question to be addressed here, is "Who can be sued, if things go
wrong?"
Whilst Microsoft's _Terms and Conditions_ claim no liability, that
doesn't prevent support companies from being sued, when things go wrong.
This is where a lawyer is needed, to explain either who could
sucessfully be sued, if LibO goes wrong, or why such a lawsuit would not
be filable in the first place.
>not by trying to convince users in a perspective that is already totally lost
>to the proprietary sector ("functionality"
The functionality issue will be over, when you can pick up _LibreOffice
For Managing you Futures Portfolio: Shorts, Straddles, Puts, and
Candlesticks_ at your local Office Depot, or _Asteroid Hunting using
LibreOffice_ at your local _Books a Million_.
(I've only slightly changed the titles of books about Excel, that I've
seen in bookstores.)
>aka "but MS Office is so easy to use").
Familiarity, not ease of use.
jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Software Freedom Day is 19 September 2020
On 2020/09/18 11:36, Marc Paré wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a FYI, this Saturday is Software Freedom Day (SFD) (3rd September > each year). For those who are as confused as I initially was, that should be _third Saturday in September_. > More information on SFD as well as other particular dates such as DFD > (Document Freedom Day) here: [https://www.softwarefreedomday.org/] And other dates of note are: Document Freedom Day: Last Wednesday of March: 31 March 2021 Hardware Freedom Day: Third Saturday of April: 17 April 2021 jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice and "datamining" - opportunity?
Mike Saunder wrote: I think the big "NO" is effective on social media here, attracting attention. So how about a variant on this image, confirming that LibreOffice doesn't "mine" any data or do anything with AI? Back in the days of OOo, there was a marketing proposal with the slogan: "Your language, your documents, your way" Part of the idea was that the UI and spellchecking were available in more languages than MSO. I no longer track such things, but I suspect that LibO still covers more languages than MSO does, as far as UI, spell-checking, and grammar checking go. I suspect that MSO and LibO can write the same number of languages. Your documents meant that the data on your system stayed on your system, unless you deliberatly provide it to third parties. There are three or four instances in which a user can provide their documents to a third party, without realising that they are doing so. The biggest culprit being the built-in Language-Tool settings; IIRC, the other culprits require the user to install the extension that does that data transmission. With the appropriate configuration settings, copying data from one document to another can be problematic. As in, LibO simply sits there, saying copying is not possible, except it displays a much more cryptic message. Unfortunately, that security setting doesn't extend to not unintentionally send your documents to a third party. Your way refers to the degree of customisation that is possible. Extensions, templates, and similar things. (In my mind I go back to a proposed commercial,depicting the office manager onboarding a new employee. As each employee is introduced to the new hire, the camera pans over the employees computer screen. The software is obviously LibO, but every monitor has a different writing system, and every computer uses a different data input system. On the manager's desk is a moon printer.) Of course, some people find AI/LLM tools useful in the context of office software, so we shouldn't try to simply paint them as bad. From my perspective, the AI extensions for stock LibO haven't been that impressive. OTOH,for those that went to trouble of downloading the code, tweaking it, and adding the requistite modifications, the AI tools have been extremely impressive --- if your desktop has enough RAM, drive space, graphics chips, and multiprocessor chips. (20+ TB drives, and 256+ GB RAM, etc.) But stress that LibreOffice does nothing with your content, except let you work on it. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
