Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
Hi :) +1 Good point. Perhaps a new name for "stable" could be "rock solid" or something? People do seem to find the "stable" 'branch' more stable than earlier releases in it's branch and they do seem to understand the concept fairly quickly but it does create a bit of confusion about the 'unstable' branch (which is not really unstable but just not quite as rock-solid) On 16 May 2014 13:38, Charles-H. Schulz < charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello Tom, > > Le 16.05.2014 12:24, Tom Davies a écrit : > > Hi :) >> I think "fresh" is the tag that is obscure and could be changed. It's the >> best one i have heard yet but it's still not quite expressing what the >> early releases of a branch really give. Most people understand "stable". >> > > Yes, but you got it backwards. Stable is clear to anyone, indeed, except > that the other one... is stable too. Thus we get the wrong idea about what > the two branches are about. It would be like naming one branch "free" and > the other one would have to battle hard in order to convey the notion that > it would be free too. > > > >> My ideas for replacing "fresh" would be >> "Innovative branch" >> "New features branch" >> > > You got the general concept right behind the meaning of "fresh" but I > honestly doubt we will change fresh. However we will likely change the > stable one. > > > or something along those lines but you can see why i prefer "fresh"!!! >> > > Other projects face the same problem and have come up with things like >> "cooking branch" (SliTaz) which is interesting but confusing or the usual >> "development branch" which i'm sure feels just plain wrong for LO for most >> of us. >> > > It is not just SliTaz. Practically every distro has a development branch > that is advertised at some point of its cycle: beta, testing, almost ready, > etc. Debian has several of those, Fedora has rawhide, Arch has testing, > Mageia has cooker, etc. The very important nuance is that we have these > development builds too, but we rely on two stable branches (the one called > "stable" and "fresh"). Fo each of these we have alphas, betas and release > candidates. > > best, > > Charles. > > > >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> On 15 May 2014 19:39, Kracked_P_P---webmaster > >wrote: >> >> On 05/15/2014 12:06 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >>> >>> Hello Tim, Le 15.05.2014 15:30, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 05/15/2014 03:43 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Hello Tim, >> >> >> Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : >> >> I read this article this morning. >>> >>> Interesting article. >>> Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing >>> issues that could creep up from time to time. >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta- >>> testing/index.html Innovation Nation >>> >>> The end of polished and perfect software >>> >>> By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET >>> >>> >> >> >> > >>> >>> >> LO does do offer "true Beta" version > should have read > LO does not offer "true Beta" version > > okay, but that's a factually wrong statement :-) >>> Yes we do offer a beta version, but not disguised as a full release >>> version. >>> >>> >>> >>> I do agree. And keep in mind that at this stage, the tag "stable" is >>> very >>> much in test. We have noticed it is somewhat misleading, as users come back to us (users list, blogs, tweets, etc.) and tell us: "so that's the stable version then, what's the other one for?" We may end up changing that tag sooner rather than later. But as you know, marketing is far from being an exact science. It would be nice to have a better term than "Stable" in view that it >>> could >>> be taken that the "Fresh" version is not "stable", even though it is. >>> There is just a lot of new things in the "Fresh" line that needs some >>> added work. >>> >>> >>> >>> It is really hard to explain to most local users why we have two lines > and what the difference. Most of the software that they look at do > not offer a two "line" option. Maybe we could get some text that > could be placed in a "brochure" to help local marketers with this > "issue". > > Sure, but I disagree with you about the two lines. How come MS still offers two version of Microsoft office (MSO 2013 and MSO 2010)? Are users equally confused? I did not know that MS was still selling MSO-2010. >>> >>> >>> >>> The fact that now there is a CNN article telling people that there are > companies "knowingly" give users beta software as a "final release" > version is something that really should not be done. LO does not do
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
Hello Tom, Le 16.05.2014 12:24, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) I think "fresh" is the tag that is obscure and could be changed. It's the best one i have heard yet but it's still not quite expressing what the early releases of a branch really give. Most people understand "stable". Yes, but you got it backwards. Stable is clear to anyone, indeed, except that the other one... is stable too. Thus we get the wrong idea about what the two branches are about. It would be like naming one branch "free" and the other one would have to battle hard in order to convey the notion that it would be free too. My ideas for replacing "fresh" would be "Innovative branch" "New features branch" You got the general concept right behind the meaning of "fresh" but I honestly doubt we will change fresh. However we will likely change the stable one. or something along those lines but you can see why i prefer "fresh"!!! Other projects face the same problem and have come up with things like "cooking branch" (SliTaz) which is interesting but confusing or the usual "development branch" which i'm sure feels just plain wrong for LO for most of us. It is not just SliTaz. Practically every distro has a development branch that is advertised at some point of its cycle: beta, testing, almost ready, etc. Debian has several of those, Fedora has rawhide, Arch has testing, Mageia has cooker, etc. The very important nuance is that we have these development builds too, but we rely on two stable branches (the one called "stable" and "fresh"). Fo each of these we have alphas, betas and release candidates. best, Charles. Regards from Tom :) On 15 May 2014 19:39, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 05/15/2014 12:06 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 15.05.2014 15:30, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 05/15/2014 03:43 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta- testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET LO does do offer "true Beta" version should have read LO does not offer "true Beta" version okay, but that's a factually wrong statement :-) Yes we do offer a beta version, but not disguised as a full release version. I do agree. And keep in mind that at this stage, the tag "stable" is very much in test. We have noticed it is somewhat misleading, as users come back to us (users list, blogs, tweets, etc.) and tell us: "so that's the stable version then, what's the other one for?" We may end up changing that tag sooner rather than later. But as you know, marketing is far from being an exact science. It would be nice to have a better term than "Stable" in view that it could be taken that the "Fresh" version is not "stable", even though it is. There is just a lot of new things in the "Fresh" line that needs some added work. It is really hard to explain to most local users why we have two lines and what the difference. Most of the software that they look at do not offer a two "line" option. Maybe we could get some text that could be placed in a "brochure" to help local marketers with this "issue". Sure, but I disagree with you about the two lines. How come MS still offers two version of Microsoft office (MSO 2013 and MSO 2010)? Are users equally confused? I did not know that MS was still selling MSO-2010. The fact that now there is a CNN article telling people that there are companies "knowingly" give users beta software as a "final release" version is something that really should not be done. LO does not do this type of thing. Well, let's be very careful here. If companies do this, it is on their sole responsibility. I frankly do not see TDF doing that, ever. But, since these are office suites, and not airliners, nor trains or cars, we can also safely distribute LibreOffice beta versions, with a very clear language stating that's it should not be meant for production use but that we are happy to give a preview and welcome feedback and bug reports. Best, Charles. At least we state our "beta" version as "beta" or early "release candidates" versions and not as if they were "final release" version. TDF/LO keeps the alpha, beta, RCx, and "final" release version named as such. Of course the final RC version is the one that is released as the version that "normal" users will install. I just hate those companies that offer a product that is actually an alpha or beta as their non-alpha/beta version. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.lib
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
Hi :) I think "fresh" is the tag that is obscure and could be changed. It's the best one i have heard yet but it's still not quite expressing what the early releases of a branch really give. Most people understand "stable". My ideas for replacing "fresh" would be "Innovative branch" "New features branch" or something along those lines but you can see why i prefer "fresh"!!! Other projects face the same problem and have come up with things like "cooking branch" (SliTaz) which is interesting but confusing or the usual "development branch" which i'm sure feels just plain wrong for LO for most of us. Regards from Tom :) On 15 May 2014 19:39, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > On 05/15/2014 12:06 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > >> Hello Tim, >> >> Le 15.05.2014 15:30, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : >> >>> On 05/15/2014 03:43 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >>> Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : > I read this article this morning. > > Interesting article. > Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing > issues that could creep up from time to time. > > > > > --- > > http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta- > testing/index.html Innovation Nation > > The end of polished and perfect software > > By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET > > > >>> LO does do offer "true Beta" version >>> should have read >>> LO does not offer "true Beta" version >>> >> >> okay, but that's a factually wrong statement :-) >> > > Yes we do offer a beta version, but not disguised as a full release > version. > > > > I do agree. And keep in mind that at this stage, the tag "stable" is very >> much in test. We have noticed it is somewhat misleading, as users come back >> to us (users list, blogs, tweets, etc.) and tell us: "so that's the stable >> version then, what's the other one for?" We may end up changing that tag >> sooner rather than later. But as you know, marketing is far from being an >> exact science. >> >> > It would be nice to have a better term than "Stable" in view that it could > be taken that the "Fresh" version is not "stable", even though it is. > There is just a lot of new things in the "Fresh" line that needs some > added work. > > > >>> It is really hard to explain to most local users why we have two lines >>> and what the difference. Most of the software that they look at do >>> not offer a two "line" option. Maybe we could get some text that >>> could be placed in a "brochure" to help local marketers with this >>> "issue". >>> >> >> Sure, but I disagree with you about the two lines. How come MS still >> offers two version of Microsoft office (MSO 2013 and MSO 2010)? Are users >> equally confused? >> >> > I did not know that MS was still selling MSO-2010. > > > >> >>> The fact that now there is a CNN article telling people that there are >>> companies "knowingly" give users beta software as a "final release" >>> version is something that really should not be done. LO does not do >>> this type of thing. >>> >> >> >> Well, let's be very careful here. If companies do this, it is on their >> sole responsibility. I frankly do not see TDF doing that, ever. But, since >> these are office suites, and not airliners, nor trains or cars, we can also >> safely distribute LibreOffice beta versions, with a very clear language >> stating that's it should not be meant for production use but that we are >> happy to give a preview and welcome feedback and bug reports. >> >> Best, >> >> Charles. >> >> >> > At least we state our "beta" version as "beta" or early "release > candidates" versions and not as if they were "final release" version. > > TDF/LO keeps the alpha, beta, RCx, and "final" release version named as > such. Of course the final RC version is the one that is released as the > version that "normal" users will install. I just hate those companies that > offer a product that is actually an alpha or beta as their non-alpha/beta > version. > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
On 05/15/2014 12:06 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 15.05.2014 15:30, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 05/15/2014 03:43 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta-testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET LO does do offer "true Beta" version should have read LO does not offer "true Beta" version okay, but that's a factually wrong statement :-) Yes we do offer a beta version, but not disguised as a full release version. I do agree. And keep in mind that at this stage, the tag "stable" is very much in test. We have noticed it is somewhat misleading, as users come back to us (users list, blogs, tweets, etc.) and tell us: "so that's the stable version then, what's the other one for?" We may end up changing that tag sooner rather than later. But as you know, marketing is far from being an exact science. It would be nice to have a better term than "Stable" in view that it could be taken that the "Fresh" version is not "stable", even though it is. There is just a lot of new things in the "Fresh" line that needs some added work. It is really hard to explain to most local users why we have two lines and what the difference. Most of the software that they look at do not offer a two "line" option. Maybe we could get some text that could be placed in a "brochure" to help local marketers with this "issue". Sure, but I disagree with you about the two lines. How come MS still offers two version of Microsoft office (MSO 2013 and MSO 2010)? Are users equally confused? I did not know that MS was still selling MSO-2010. The fact that now there is a CNN article telling people that there are companies "knowingly" give users beta software as a "final release" version is something that really should not be done. LO does not do this type of thing. Well, let's be very careful here. If companies do this, it is on their sole responsibility. I frankly do not see TDF doing that, ever. But, since these are office suites, and not airliners, nor trains or cars, we can also safely distribute LibreOffice beta versions, with a very clear language stating that's it should not be meant for production use but that we are happy to give a preview and welcome feedback and bug reports. Best, Charles. At least we state our "beta" version as "beta" or early "release candidates" versions and not as if they were "final release" version. TDF/LO keeps the alpha, beta, RCx, and "final" release version named as such. Of course the final RC version is the one that is released as the version that "normal" users will install. I just hate those companies that offer a product that is actually an alpha or beta as their non-alpha/beta version. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
Hello Tim, Le 15.05.2014 15:30, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 05/15/2014 03:43 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. It tells about the trend of major software companies "selling" software to their users that are really only Beta versions. LO does do offer "true Beta" version to the users, but we do have the two lines so our "Fresh" version, even though not a beta version, will hopefully tell our users that it is not "completely free of bugs". Other companies seem to be actually selling beta software as is they were not betas at all. --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta-testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET This trend is not new at all and that's pretty much what a lot of companies and even FOSS projects do these days. I would not say it is the best way to grow our user base but it certainly can help. However let me stress again that our Fresh branch is not beta quality. We do have betas and Release Candidates that we'd like to talk about more, as it helps attracting more testers, thus creating more feedback. It also help organizations interested in migrating test the software in advance. Note that betas exist in our two branches, but we should communicate more on betas as well. Best, Charles. LO does do offer "true Beta" version should have read LO does not offer "true Beta" version okay, but that's a factually wrong statement :-) "does do offer" is not correct combo in any way I can think of. My typing skills have been off these past months and I rely on my email client to help find issues. I know the Fresh line is not a beta line, but it still is one that is not as "stable" or bug free as it would be once it gets to the x.x.4 or x.x.5 version of that line. The meaning I wanted to take, was that there are a lot of software companies out there that offer "beta" software without telling their users. LO offers two lines and give users an option on what version they want to use. The "more stable" version and the "fresher" version. We do need some GOOD marketing language that explains these lines better than what I have seen/read. I do agree. And keep in mind that at this stage, the tag "stable" is very much in test. We have noticed it is somewhat misleading, as users come back to us (users list, blogs, tweets, etc.) and tell us: "so that's the stable version then, what's the other one for?" We may end up changing that tag sooner rather than later. But as you know, marketing is far from being an exact science. It is really hard to explain to most local users why we have two lines and what the difference. Most of the software that they look at do not offer a two "line" option. Maybe we could get some text that could be placed in a "brochure" to help local marketers with this "issue". Sure, but I disagree with you about the two lines. How come MS still offers two version of Microsoft office (MSO 2013 and MSO 2010)? Are users equally confused? The fact that now there is a CNN article telling people that there are companies "knowingly" give users beta software as a "final release" version is something that really should not be done. LO does not do this type of thing. Well, let's be very careful here. If companies do this, it is on their sole responsibility. I frankly do not see TDF doing that, ever. But, since these are office suites, and not airliners, nor trains or cars, we can also safely distribute LibreOffice beta versions, with a very clear language stating that's it should not be meant for production use but that we are happy to give a preview and welcome feedback and bug reports. Best, Charles. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
On 05/15/2014 03:43 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. It tells about the trend of major software companies "selling" software to their users that are really only Beta versions. LO does do offer "true Beta" version to the users, but we do have the two lines so our "Fresh" version, even though not a beta version, will hopefully tell our users that it is not "completely free of bugs". Other companies seem to be actually selling beta software as is they were not betas at all. --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta-testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET This trend is not new at all and that's pretty much what a lot of companies and even FOSS projects do these days. I would not say it is the best way to grow our user base but it certainly can help. However let me stress again that our Fresh branch is not beta quality. We do have betas and Release Candidates that we'd like to talk about more, as it helps attracting more testers, thus creating more feedback. It also help organizations interested in migrating test the software in advance. Note that betas exist in our two branches, but we should communicate more on betas as well. Best, Charles. LO does do offer "true Beta" version should have read LO does not offer "true Beta" version "does do offer" is not correct combo in any way I can think of. My typing skills have been off these past months and I rely on my email client to help find issues. I know the Fresh line is not a beta line, but it still is one that is not as "stable" or bug free as it would be once it gets to the x.x.4 or x.x.5 version of that line. The meaning I wanted to take, was that there are a lot of software companies out there that offer "beta" software without telling their users. LO offers two lines and give users an option on what version they want to use. The "more stable" version and the "fresher" version. We do need some GOOD marketing language that explains these lines better than what I have seen/read. It is really hard to explain to most local users why we have two lines and what the difference. Most of the software that they look at do not offer a two "line" option. Maybe we could get some text that could be placed in a "brochure" to help local marketers with this "issue". The fact that now there is a CNN article telling people that there are companies "knowingly" give users beta software as a "final release" version is something that really should not be done. LO does not do this type of thing. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
Hi :) But the "stable branch" is more certain of being more stable than any releases in the "Fresh" branch. The "Fresh" branch releases have undergone a lot of testing using various tools. Also because they have been built on various real-world machines around the world. It's then undergone alpha and beta testing. In that last part of the process it gets tested on a far greater range of real-world machines. So for most people it is fully stable once it gets officially released. I think that is the difference between what the article suggests other companies are doing and what TDF does. However i am sure that we do still see more bug-reports appear about releases in the "fresh" branch than we get after a branch has become stable. It's only to be expected really. "You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs". People are generally happy with the idea of using the "fresh" branch in order to get new functionality and better compatibility with MS formats. So those are the USPs worth using to promote the "fresh" branch. That does still leave a lot of room for the more rock-solid "stable" branch. Many users are happy to sacrifice a bit of functionality and better compatibility if it gains them an much greater certainty of stability. Lets not forget that when OpenSource projects talk about security, stability and robustness we are generally including factors that no (or extremely few) proprietary projects would even consider. In the proprietary world if a user experiences problems of any kind they tend to face a barrage of blame. It's only once hundreds of thousands of users are affected that proprietary companies admit an issue might be their fault. In OpenSource that gets completely turned on it's head. If a user hasn't read documentation and doesn't know how to do a certain thing then that thing is often likely to end up as a bug-report or reported through social-media as a reason for not using the software. So, often "the public" perception is that OpenSource is less stable than proprietary precisely because it is more serious about it and does a better job of smoothing out problems. It's one of the many reasons i prefer OpenSource and keep pushing people into using it. Regards from Tom :) On 15 May 2014 08:43, Charles-H. Schulz < charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello Tim, > > > Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : > >> I read this article this morning. >> >> Interesting article. >> Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing >> issues that could creep up from time to time. >> >> It tells about the trend of major software companies "selling" >> software to their users that are really only Beta versions. >> >> LO does do offer "true Beta" version to the users, but we do have the >> two lines so our "Fresh" version, even though not a beta version, will >> hopefully tell our users that it is not "completely free of bugs". >> >> Other companies seem to be actually selling beta software as is they >> were not betas at all. >> >> >> --- >> >> http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta- >> testing/index.html >> >> Innovation Nation >> >> The end of polished and perfect software >> >> By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET >> > > > This trend is not new at all and that's pretty much what a lot of > companies and even FOSS projects do these days. I would not say it is the > best way to grow our user base but it certainly can help. However let me > stress again that our Fresh branch is not beta quality. We do have betas > and Release Candidates that we'd like to talk about more, as it helps > attracting more testers, thus creating more feedback. It also help > organizations interested in migrating test the software in advance. Note > that betas exist in our two branches, but we should communicate more on > betas as well. > > Best, > > Charles. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. It tells about the trend of major software companies "selling" software to their users that are really only Beta versions. LO does do offer "true Beta" version to the users, but we do have the two lines so our "Fresh" version, even though not a beta version, will hopefully tell our users that it is not "completely free of bugs". Other companies seem to be actually selling beta software as is they were not betas at all. --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta-testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET This trend is not new at all and that's pretty much what a lot of companies and even FOSS projects do these days. I would not say it is the best way to grow our user base but it certainly can help. However let me stress again that our Fresh branch is not beta quality. We do have betas and Release Candidates that we'd like to talk about more, as it helps attracting more testers, thus creating more feedback. It also help organizations interested in migrating test the software in advance. Note that betas exist in our two branches, but we should communicate more on betas as well. Best, Charles. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we "avoid" with Two Lines.
I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. It tells about the trend of major software companies "selling" software to their users that are really only Beta versions. LO does do offer "true Beta" version to the users, but we do have the two lines so our "Fresh" version, even though not a beta version, will hopefully tell our users that it is not "completely free of bugs". Other companies seem to be actually selling beta software as is they were not betas at all. --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta-testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
