[libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft: government switch to open source will cause dissatisfaction
Article title says it all. You can find it here: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/387199/microsoft-government-switch-to-open-source-will-cause-dissatisfaction Not sure if we need to post a rebuttal argument in the response section or retaliate with an article disputing MS arguments. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft: government switch to open source will cause dissatisfaction
On 21/02/14 11:04, Marc Paré wrote: Not sure if we need to post a rebuttal argument in the response section or retaliate with an article disputing MS arguments. I have set a phone call with the journalist at 3PM UTC, to provide our comments to the article (and especially to the productivity concept which MS is using to divert the focus from their format). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft: government switch to open source will cause dissatisfaction
On 02/21/2014 06:04 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Article title says it all. You can find it here: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/387199/microsoft-government-switch-to-open-source-will-cause-dissatisfaction Not sure if we need to post a rebuttal argument in the response section or retaliate with an article disputing MS arguments. Cheers, Marc When I read the article I got the sense of MS FUD claiming that people need proprietary MS formats to be efficient. Reading between the lines I also sensed that MS is very concerned about losing the European market to FOSS and open standards/formats. If national governments move away from MS, those doing business with the government are likely to follow and this will percolate country wide. If European governments and businesses are hostile to MS this will have an effect on international businesses. Ultimately MS faces two choices: adopt open standards/formats and open source their products or face resistance due to people, companies, and governments believing they are doing the bidding of the US NSA. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft: government switch to open source will cause dissatisfaction
On 02/21/2014 09:30 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 02/21/2014 06:04 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Article title says it all. You can find it here: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/387199/microsoft-government-switch-to-open-source-will-cause-dissatisfaction Not sure if we need to post a rebuttal argument in the response section or retaliate with an article disputing MS arguments. Cheers, Marc When I read the article I got the sense of MS FUD claiming that people need proprietary MS formats to be efficient. Reading between the lines I also sensed that MS is very concerned about losing the European market to FOSS and open standards/formats. If national governments move away from MS, those doing business with the government are likely to follow and this will percolate country wide. If European governments and businesses are hostile to MS this will have an effect on international businesses. Ultimately MS faces two choices: adopt open standards/formats and open source their products or face resistance due to people, companies, and governments believing they are doing the bidding of the US NSA. I do not think making MS Office open source will be done, but the true support of the open document formats [ODF] will be a good step for them to take, and it should have been done when ODF became THE International Office file format standard. They did not like the fact that their OOXML format did not become it. MS and its public relations with European countries and businesses seems to extend back over 10 years. It seemed to me that MS thought their control over the office suite market gave them the right to force the users to do and except anything that MS tells them to do, buy, and accept, what an office package can be use for and needed for in the users businesses and homes. At one point, after MSO 2007 came out, our Library of Congress started publishing documents in the .docx format. Since their mandate was to allow these files and documents be freely accessible to the public. They had to republish those documents to .doc since there was a cry saying that to get the freely accessible files you had to buy a new office package, and that makes it not free and places money into MS's pocket as ransom to get our government's documents. Europe seems not to be as easy going with MS's antics as the US is. So MS may be feeling the loss of money from Europe as a threat to their company's core business. So they attack the FOSS movement for open formats in office suites. The insist that if you do not use our proprietary formats then you cannot do proper business with each other. Well, business is getting along with ODF just fine. If the businesses need to use an MS format, then they may go back to pre-OOXML ones, which most FOSS office suites seem to work with very well. But, since more and more International businesses are moving away from proprietary formats and using the International Standard - ODF - then MS should just do the right thing and fully support ODF as well. Then the file format issue will not be an issue in the fight to keep their office suite market share. YES, FUD is a weapon that MS loves to use. But the real problem for MS will not go away if they do not act like all their suggestions are a commandment from the god of the computer world. The US NSA is not as bad as MS in trying to force people to do what they want, but the NSA is more covert in their efforts. But NSA vs. MSO is like comparing apples and oranges. So, it should not be part of the description of what MS is doing in the office suite market. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft: government switch to open source will cause dissatisfaction
On February 21, 2014 6:30:41 AM PST, Jay Lozier wrote: When I read the article I got the sense of MS FUD claiming that people need proprietary MS formats to be efficient. In one sense, MS is being truthful. There is a huge ecosystem built around Microsoft's file formats: CRM, ERP, and similar software. However, there is nothing preventing the companies that create that software from also supportingt ODF in their products. (NOTE: I am assuming that Microsoft has not forced those vendors to sign contracts that prohibit them supporting non-Microsoft file formats. Given Microsoft's history, such a prospect is possible.) A second datapoint is that the major a11y vendors do not include support for FLOSS in the offerings. (Two of the biggest vendors have flat out promised that their software will never work correctly with FLOSS program.) I also sensed that MS is very concerned about losing the European market to FOSS and open standards/formats. Microsoft's issue with Europe is that unlike BRICS, bribes are more likely to have the company put into goal, than achieve the desired outcome. governments believing they are doing the bidding of the US NSA. Any government that relies on any software produced by a foreign firm, is a government that is subjecting itself to known security flaws. -- Your language. Your documents. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft: government switch to open source will cause dissatisfaction
Le Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:03:43 -0800, Jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com a écrit : On February 21, 2014 6:30:41 AM PST, Jay Lozier wrote: When I read the article I got the sense of MS FUD claiming that people need proprietary MS formats to be efficient. In one sense, MS is being truthful. There is a huge ecosystem built around Microsoft's file formats: CRM, ERP, and similar software. However, there is nothing preventing the companies that create that software from also supportingt ODF in their products. (NOTE: I am assuming that Microsoft has not forced those vendors to sign contracts that prohibit them supporting non-Microsoft file formats. Given Microsoft's history, such a prospect is possible.) A second datapoint is that the major a11y vendors do not include support for FLOSS in the offerings. (Two of the biggest vendors have flat out promised that their software will never work correctly with FLOSS program.) I also sensed that MS is very concerned about losing the European market to FOSS and open standards/formats. Microsoft's issue with Europe is that unlike BRICS, bribes are more likely to have the company put into goal, than achieve the desired outcome. governments believing they are doing the bidding of the US NSA. Any government that relies on any software produced by a foreign firm, is a government that is subjecting itself to known security flaws. Thank you everyone for your comments that have at the moment not helped the UK Gov make up its mind :-) May I suggest to everyone who'd like to help or express his/her views to post them directly on the UK Government Consultation website? That's where it'll have the most impact. Over here we're just preaching to the choir. Thank you, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libo-marketing-priv] [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft: government switch to open source will cause dissatisfaction
Italo Vignoli wrote (21-02-14 14:05) On 21/02/14 11:04, Marc Paré wrote: Not sure if we need to post a rebuttal argument in the response section or retaliate with an article disputing MS arguments. I have set a phone call with the journalist at 3PM UTC, to provide our comments to the article (and especially to the productivity concept which MS is using to divert the focus from their format). So some weeks now I've some idea on mind that comes in neatly maybe at this point. Obviously, the idea is not the most original one, but if set up with the right details (tone towards people, program etc.) it might turn out well. From my contacts with administrations, I know that those that are working with ODF (LibreOffice) or considering to work with it, often are in a situation where 'defensiveness' and 'isolation' are prominent emotions. It's not easy to keep (set) it up against the main stream. Now I expect that the 'isolation part' could be tackled when people meet at a proper forum/situation. That could for example be a sort of (mini) congress where experiences and sharing of wishes (cooperation) are on the agenda. Make the agenda and theme(s) focus on the target audience, and I'm sure many will like to join. Thus it has be be say one and a half day congress in a central city, so that the people can do in in two day's (and an evening). Sponsoring to make price reasonable would be a good idea probably. Target audience thus primary administrations working with or seriously considering so LibreOffice (OpenOffice-x). Those should be contacted personally as much as possible. So this will cost serious time at least, and thus serious money. However, looking at the goals of TDF, and the great (maybe one could even say 'vital') importance to help these front-line-adaptors go further, it might be an idea to spend money to make such a project run? I started describing the idea by targeting the 'isolation part' of my (non scientific) analyses of the situation. But obviously, such a plan has the potential to work on the feeling of 'defensiveness' to. And it might be very helpful in stimulating others to take the chance too? What do you think? Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
