Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

>From the 4.0 Release Notes, I understand that LO is aiming to compatible
with CIMS protocol.
I'll try to take a deeper look at this.
Don't know enough about the CIMS protocol right now.


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:

> Hi Immanuel,
>
> Thanks for your initiative and input for this!
>
> Immanuel Giulea wrote (29-12-12 22:04)
>
>
>  What are the plans on CIMS for LO 4.0 ?
>>
>
> https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**ReleaseNotes/4.0#Core
>
> I've some documentation from some years back. Will try next weeks
> (overloaded, sorry) to see what is up to date and then send it here.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Immanuel,

Thanks for your initiative and input for this!

Immanuel Giulea wrote (29-12-12 22:04)


What are the plans on CIMS for LO 4.0 ?


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Core

I've some documentation from some years back. Will try next weeks 
(overloaded, sorry) to see what is up to date and then send it here.


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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Boudi van Vlijmen]

I'll check it out with my OpenERP network.

Met vriendelijke groet,
Kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen 

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Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument



On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Immanuel Giulea
wrote:

> The documentation linked below is from version 6.1 and included
> integration with OpenOffice only.
> We are assuming that LibreOffice would handle it the same.
> OpenERP released version 7 not long ago, and it would be better to confirm
> integration, and for them to update their docs.
> So far, I couldn't find the v7 docs. And the release notes only mention
> Google Docs in general without saying if text documents in .ODT are handled
> the same as .DOC format.
>
> Is there a section in the LO docs that integration with OpenERP can be
> addressed?
>
> Immanuel
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:
>
>> OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
>> http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
>> and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)
>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Immanuel,

Just leave the feature comparison page where it is; perhaps you could 
focus on a more synthetic document, and one that takes into account 
broader points (not just feature by feature)?


Thanks,

Charles.

Le 30.12.2012 17:51, Immanuel Giulea a écrit :

I figured out how to create pages, so I started by creating:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points
and
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points_MSO

an hour later, I also found:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office


Should the Feature Comparison be moved to marketing or if left alone,
referred to from the marketing materials?


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Immanuel Giulea 

wrote:



The documentation linked below is from version 6.1 and included
integration with OpenOffice only.
We are assuming that LibreOffice would handle it the same.
OpenERP released version 7 not long ago, and it would be better to 
confirm

integration, and for them to update their docs.
So far, I couldn't find the v7 docs. And the release notes only 
mention
Google Docs in general without saying if text documents in .ODT are 
handled

the same as .DOC format.

Is there a section in the LO docs that integration with OpenERP can 
be

addressed?

Immanuel


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen 
wrote:



OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (

http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business 
solutions)






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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

I figured out how to create pages, so I started by creating:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points
and
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points_MSO

an hour later, I also found:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office


Should the Feature Comparison be moved to marketing or if left alone,
referred to from the marketing materials?


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Immanuel Giulea  wrote:

> The documentation linked below is from version 6.1 and included
> integration with OpenOffice only.
> We are assuming that LibreOffice would handle it the same.
> OpenERP released version 7 not long ago, and it would be better to confirm
> integration, and for them to update their docs.
> So far, I couldn't find the v7 docs. And the release notes only mention
> Google Docs in general without saying if text documents in .ODT are handled
> the same as .DOC format.
>
> Is there a section in the LO docs that integration with OpenERP can be
> addressed?
>
> Immanuel
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:
>
>> OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
>> http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
>> and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)
>
>
>

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

The documentation linked below is from version 6.1 and included integration
with OpenOffice only.
We are assuming that LibreOffice would handle it the same.
OpenERP released version 7 not long ago, and it would be better to confirm
integration, and for them to update their docs.
So far, I couldn't find the v7 docs. And the release notes only mention
Google Docs in general without saying if text documents in .ODT are handled
the same as .DOC format.

Is there a section in the LO docs that integration with OpenERP can be
addressed?

Immanuel

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:

> OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
> http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
> and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Jay Lozier]

On 12/29/2012 03:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:

Congratulations! The good news is: Microsoft takes the effort to write a
document against LO&OO! If there is no threath, there is no reason to do so!

- OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)
- Work tool aware organisations don't fall in the MS overtooling trap (a
big issue for document management). Work files should be .odf and
presentation and archiving files should be .pdf
- MS - Office does not support all .odf 1.2 functionality (comments?)
- Email clients for desktops will soon be outdated. Not for no reason
Mozilla stoped with the Thunderbird development Calendering today is a
typical cloud application.

Or they use their 'phone for their calendering needs.

   - By the way sending documents with email from LO works fine...
- MS Outlook integration is based on legacy standards causing all kind
of problems for receivers with no MS software (The .dat attachment
problem)
- Desktop calendaring (Outlook) will soon be outdated
- Cloud colaberation tools like Google Drive work fine with OO and
LO. Who needs colaboration tools outside the cloud?
- Pivot tables work (different)
- Last but not least LibreOffice features NO foot in the door file
format trap! Also called vendor-lock.

So where is the argument?
LibreOffice;
Write is a perfect workdocument editing tool with great archive (pdf)
creation tool integrated,
Calc is a perfect spreadsheet tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool
integrated,
Impress is a perfect presentation creation tool with great archive (pdf)
creation tool integrated,
is a great platform for business administration automation with an
integrated IDE and a nice set of database tools included,

All for less than half the price! ;-)
And LibreOffice  Works on Windows and OSX for the same price.

And Linux


In fact all the USPs for Word, Excel and Powerpoint disappear in a cloud of
dust.
MS clearly tries to sell outdated USPs as unique to the Late Majority. Time
for the Early Majority to switch! Time for LibreOffice!
IMHO, MS is trying to lock users into a software rental model. LO/AOO 
are much more than adequate replacements for MSO for the vast majority 
of users. Also, there is no compelling need to continually upgrade 
unless forced by file format shenanigans (MSOX) or end of life. Are 
there truly any new features that users find compelling that anyone is 
promoting? Collaboration sounds compelling but many know there are 
several ways to collaborate with others that do not require MSO and my 
impression most do not see this as a compelling reason (or need) to 
upgrade. Thus, MS is probably seeing a market softening for the 
traditional MSO packaging and is looking to replace the cash with 
another income stream that is more resistant to the softening. Thus for 
MS the problem is that most users do not need the latest version of MSO 
and can easily substitute something else and meet their needs.


Met vriendelijke groet,
Kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen 

*Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question!*
http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/
Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument



On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Immanuel Giulea
wrote:


Hello all,

Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses
of LO (and bundles LO with OOo):

http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf

Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer
counter-arguments to what MS says ?

Some of the key points would be:
- lack of calendaring/email
- collaboration tools
- pivot tables


Immanuel

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Italo Vignoli]

On 12/29/12 7:36 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

> I really would like to know how much MSO feels that LO and OOo are going
> to take their market away for them to spend time to make this second
> version of this document.

I made some rough calculations back in 2009, when OOo numbers peaked
before the Oracle acquisition and the fork. Numbers were unfortunately
limited to Italy, as I could access to more detailed figures about the
market, and I could verify - although informally - the numbers with
analysts (personal friends).

In 2009, OOo in Italy reached a market penetration higher than 20%,
although there were many users of both suites. I estimated around 10% of
unique OOo users, in a market with around 20 million users of desktop
office suites.

At 2009 price, 1 million licenses of MS Office at the discounted price
of 150 Euro per license (an estimated average between the large account
price and the single user price) were worth 150 million Euro over 3/4
years (the length of the MS license).

MS Italy in 2009 had an estimated turnover of 750 million Euro, which
means that OOo eroded something between 5 and 10% per year. Enough for
creating the first version of the document.

In 2012, LO has made inroads in several large government organizations,
and some private companies (although the latter are shy about making it
public, as they know that this would bring in immediately the MS salesman).

I do not know how much LO has been able to erode in term of MS Office
licenses, but we must always remember that the Office Division is still
MS cash cow with slightly less that 30 billion dollars turnover.

This explains the second version of the document.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

According to the blog of Alfresco, LO is now offering integration
as experimental feature:
http://blogs.alfresco.com/wp/wabson/2012/11/01/cmis-support-in-libreoffice-experimental-features/

What are the plans on CIMS for LO 4.0 ?

I think this is a great feature and selling point vs MSO.

Immanuel


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Immanuel Giulea
wrote:

> OpenERP mentions explicitely OO but nothing about LO.
>
> Since LO is the improved version of OO, has anyone considered to contact
> the people from OpenERP to get them to update their docs?
>
> If we arguing in favor of integration with the product, we need their docs
> to be update so we can back up ourselves. And it should be tested.
>
> I also found out about the OPAL extension that used to work with OO
> http://forge.alfresco.com/gf/project/opal/
>
> And Alfresco is looking for help to integrate with LO, which is good news
> for us.
> http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Help_Wanted#LibreOffice_CMIS_integration
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Immanuel
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:
>
>> Congratulations! The good news is: Microsoft takes the effort to write a
>> document against LO&OO! If there is no threath, there is no reason to do so!
>>
>>- OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
>>http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
>>and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)
>>- Work tool aware organisations don't fall in the MS overtooling trap
>>(a big issue for document management). Work files should be .odf and
>>presentation and archiving files should be .pdf
>>- MS - Office does not support all .odf 1.2 functionality (comments?)
>>- Email clients for desktops will soon be outdated. Not for no reason
>>Mozilla stoped with the Thunderbird development Calendering today is a
>>typical cloud application.
>>   - By the way sending documents with email from LO works fine...
>>- MS Outlook integration is based on legacy standards causing all
>>kind of problems for receivers with no MS software (The .dat 
>> attachment
>>problem)
>>- Desktop calendaring (Outlook) will soon be outdated
>>- Cloud colaberation tools like Google Drive work fine with OO and
>>LO. Who needs colaboration tools outside the cloud?
>>- Pivot tables work (different)
>>- Last but not least LibreOffice features NO foot in the door file
>>format trap! Also called vendor-lock.
>>
>> So where is the argument?
>> LibreOffice;
>> Write is a perfect workdocument editing tool with great archive (pdf)
>> creation tool integrated,
>> Calc is a perfect spreadsheet tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool
>> integrated,
>> Impress is a perfect presentation creation tool with great archive (pdf)
>> creation tool integrated,
>> is a great platform for business administration automation with an
>> integrated IDE and a nice set of database tools included,
>>
>> All for less than half the price! ;-)
>> And LibreOffice  Works on Windows and OSX for the same price.
>>
>> In fact all the USPs for Word, Excel and Powerpoint disappear in a cloud
>> of dust.
>> MS clearly tries to sell outdated USPs as unique to the Late Majority.
>> Time for the Early Majority to switch! Time for LibreOffice!
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>> Kind regards,
>> Boudi van Vlijmen 
>>
>> *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question!*
>> http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/
>> Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
>> Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
>> ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
>> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Immanuel Giulea <
>> giulea.imman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the
>>> weaknesses
>>> of LO (and bundles LO with OOo):
>>>
>>> http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf
>>>
>>> Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and
>>> offer
>>> counter-arguments to what MS says ?
>>>
>>> Some of the key points would be:
>>> - lack of calendaring/email
>>> - collaboration tools
>>> - pivot tables
>>>
>>>
>>> Immanuel
>>>
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Immanuel Giulea]

OpenERP mentions explicitely OO but nothing about LO.

Since LO is the improved version of OO, has anyone considered to contact
the people from OpenERP to get them to update their docs?

If we arguing in favor of integration with the product, we need their docs
to be update so we can back up ourselves. And it should be tested.

I also found out about the OPAL extension that used to work with OO
http://forge.alfresco.com/gf/project/opal/

And Alfresco is looking for help to integrate with LO, which is good news
for us.
http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Help_Wanted#LibreOffice_CMIS_integration


Cheers,

Immanuel


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote:

> Congratulations! The good news is: Microsoft takes the effort to write a
> document against LO&OO! If there is no threath, there is no reason to do so!
>
>- OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
>http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
>and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)
>- Work tool aware organisations don't fall in the MS overtooling trap
>(a big issue for document management). Work files should be .odf and
>presentation and archiving files should be .pdf
>- MS - Office does not support all .odf 1.2 functionality (comments?)
>- Email clients for desktops will soon be outdated. Not for no reason
>Mozilla stoped with the Thunderbird development Calendering today is a
>typical cloud application.
>   - By the way sending documents with email from LO works fine...
>- MS Outlook integration is based on legacy standards causing all kind
>of problems for receivers with no MS software (The .dat attachment
>problem)
>- Desktop calendaring (Outlook) will soon be outdated
>- Cloud colaberation tools like Google Drive work fine with OO and
>LO. Who needs colaboration tools outside the cloud?
>- Pivot tables work (different)
>- Last but not least LibreOffice features NO foot in the door file
>format trap! Also called vendor-lock.
>
> So where is the argument?
> LibreOffice;
> Write is a perfect workdocument editing tool with great archive (pdf)
> creation tool integrated,
> Calc is a perfect spreadsheet tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool
> integrated,
> Impress is a perfect presentation creation tool with great archive (pdf)
> creation tool integrated,
> is a great platform for business administration automation with an
> integrated IDE and a nice set of database tools included,
>
> All for less than half the price! ;-)
> And LibreOffice  Works on Windows and OSX for the same price.
>
> In fact all the USPs for Word, Excel and Powerpoint disappear in a cloud
> of dust.
> MS clearly tries to sell outdated USPs as unique to the Late Majority.
> Time for the Early Majority to switch! Time for LibreOffice!
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> Kind regards,
> Boudi van Vlijmen 
>
> *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question!*
> http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/
> Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
> Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
> ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Immanuel Giulea <
> giulea.imman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the
>> weaknesses
>> of LO (and bundles LO with OOo):
>>
>> http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf
>>
>> Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer
>> counter-arguments to what MS says ?
>>
>> Some of the key points would be:
>> - lack of calendaring/email
>> - collaboration tools
>> - pivot tables
>>
>>
>> Immanuel
>>
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Boudi van Vlijmen]

Congratulations! The good news is: Microsoft takes the effort to write a
document against LO&OO! If there is no threath, there is no reason to do so!

   - OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (
   http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html)
   and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions)
   - Work tool aware organisations don't fall in the MS overtooling trap (a
   big issue for document management). Work files should be .odf and
   presentation and archiving files should be .pdf
   - MS - Office does not support all .odf 1.2 functionality (comments?)
   - Email clients for desktops will soon be outdated. Not for no reason
   Mozilla stoped with the Thunderbird development Calendering today is a
   typical cloud application.
  - By the way sending documents with email from LO works fine...
   - MS Outlook integration is based on legacy standards causing all kind
   of problems for receivers with no MS software (The .dat attachment
   problem)
   - Desktop calendaring (Outlook) will soon be outdated
   - Cloud colaberation tools like Google Drive work fine with OO and
   LO. Who needs colaboration tools outside the cloud?
   - Pivot tables work (different)
   - Last but not least LibreOffice features NO foot in the door file
   format trap! Also called vendor-lock.

So where is the argument?
LibreOffice;
Write is a perfect workdocument editing tool with great archive (pdf)
creation tool integrated,
Calc is a perfect spreadsheet tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool
integrated,
Impress is a perfect presentation creation tool with great archive (pdf)
creation tool integrated,
is a great platform for business administration automation with an
integrated IDE and a nice set of database tools included,

All for less than half the price! ;-)
And LibreOffice  Works on Windows and OSX for the same price.

In fact all the USPs for Word, Excel and Powerpoint disappear in a cloud of
dust.
MS clearly tries to sell outdated USPs as unique to the Late Majority. Time
for the Early Majority to switch! Time for LibreOffice!

Met vriendelijke groet,
Kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen 

*Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question!*
http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/
Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument



On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Immanuel Giulea
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses
> of LO (and bundles LO with OOo):
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf
>
> Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer
> counter-arguments to what MS says ?
>
> Some of the key points would be:
> - lack of calendaring/email
> - collaboration tools
> - pivot tables
>
>
> Immanuel
>
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