Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of small mythical beings when they think of GNOME. Unfortunately, I don't have a good suggestion. Some other form of G, maybe? In my vague memory, some GNOME 1.x versions used to use a flower logo at the main menu. And after some search, I've found some evidences: http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2400-jacob-big http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2518-iain-big http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2520-ole-big I don't know the reason behind this. And GDM also provides a flower theme in its stock. Probably, it associates with garden gnomes? Anyway, can we use the flower as a secondary logo for GNOME? Regards, -- Theppitak Karoonboonyanan http://linux.thai.net/~thep/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
On 6 Nov 2008, at 10:37, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of small mythical beings when they think of GNOME. Unfortunately, I don't have a good suggestion. Some other form of G, maybe? In my vague memory, some GNOME 1.x versions used to use a flower logo at the main menu. And after some search, I've found some evidences: Ah yes. During our GNOME 1.2 usability study, some of our participants memorably asked what's the fried egg for? :) Other than that, a (well-designed) flower might be a pretty good call-- it has some history in GNOME, and it symbolises all those hippie values that are shared by the open source community :) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 10:37, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote: In my vague memory, some GNOME 1.x versions used to use a flower logo at the main menu. And after some search, I've found some evidences: Ah yes. During our GNOME 1.2 usability study, some of our participants memorably asked what's the fried egg for? :) I see. It looks pretty much like a fried egg, too. :-) Other than that, a (well-designed) flower might be a pretty good call-- it has some history in GNOME, and it symbolises all those hippie values that are shared by the open source community :) Probably, elongating the petals helps? Before: http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/flower-1.4.svg After: http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/flower-long.svg -- Theppitak Karoonboonyanan http://linux.thai.net/~thep/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 17:37 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of small mythical beings when they think of GNOME. Unfortunately, I don't have a good suggestion. Some other form of G, maybe? In my vague memory, some GNOME 1.x versions used to use a flower logo at the main menu. And after some search, I've found some evidences: http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2400-jacob-big http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2518-iain-big http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2520-ole-big I don't know the reason behind this. And GDM also provides a flower theme in its stock. Probably, it associates with garden gnomes? Anyway, can we use the flower as a secondary logo for GNOME? I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their suggestions to the board. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 17:37 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of small mythical beings when they think of GNOME. Unfortunately, I don't have a good suggestion. Some other form of G, maybe? In my vague memory, some GNOME 1.x versions used to use a flower logo at the main menu. And after some search, I've found some evidences: http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2400-jacob-big http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2518-iain-big http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2520-ole-big I always thought that was a fried egg. Huh. I don't know the reason behind this. And GDM also provides a flower theme in its stock. Probably, it associates with garden gnomes? Anyway, can we use the flower as a secondary logo for GNOME? I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their suggestions to the board. +1. Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their suggestions to the board. +1. It's artweb-list, not art.gnome.org, I suppose? Also, in the last stage, the board means foundation-list? Thanks, -- Theppitak Karoonboonyanan http://linux.thai.net/~thep/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their suggestions to the board. +1. It's artweb-list, not art.gnome.org, I suppose? I think, but don't know offhand. Also, in the last stage, the board means foundation-list? That's probably the best place to take it, yes. Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Simos Xenitellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As already suggested, delegating the choice of the new logo to the Art Team is the typical thing to do. Yes, thanks. That would be much better than my primitive drawings. My concern is in the practicalities when trying to apply the new logo in a distribution. If you have your own distribution, you can make all sort of changes, so it it OK. In fact, I've been trying to push this upstream because I'm using Debian, which tries to keep upstream looks as much as possible. Besides, I prefer promoting upstream GNOME for more contributors. For example, it would be difficult to convince translators to work with GNOME, rather than launchpad, when few people care about GNOME, or even know what it is. What you might want to explore is how to make the logo theme-able. That is, you can select a theme that would alter the logo in all places in GNOME. You can then create a package with this cut-down logo-changing theme that a user can either install on demand, or it is installed automatically when the user selects, for example, Thai support. To begin with, I've already got a minimal theme, as mentioned ealier in the list [1]. And, yes, figuring out how to make it installed for target users is the next step to think about. Thanks. For Debian in particular, it can be done via tasksel. But I'm also seeking for possibility of upstream solution. [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2008-November/msg9.html Assuming that it is possible to change the logo through theming, you may then choose a logo that has a special meaning to SE Asia. Yes, especially if I can define the exact regions that would benefit from this solution. My current thought is to make it applicable everywhere. Regards, -- Theppitak Karoonboonyanan http://linux.thai.net/~thep/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
