Re: updating http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap

2011-03-03 Thread Allan Day
Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
 On 03/01/2011 03:51 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
  I think there's value in having http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap as a 
  place where what's new in GNOME 3 for admins, users, developers gets 
  summarized in a few bullet points, for developers to see.  This seems 
  like a few hours' work for someone who already knows the technical 
  side of GNOME pretty well.

Yes, we need a master list of the key changes in GNOME 3, as well as a
summary of the selling points. It needs to be something that those
involved in marketing the release can refer to and on which our various
marketing materials can be based. This *might* be the release notes. It
might be something separate and more extensive though. My plan is to
start blocking out the release notes and see how they hang together. If
we end up with more material than we can squeeze into the notes, we can
use it for a separate master document.

  Lucas Rocha just suggested: I think the roadmap could be simplified 
  and focus on major areas intead of being per module -- so that could 
  help make the job a little simpler.
 
  Can I get a volunteer by Thursday -- preferably someone who can update 
  this by March 10th?  Once someone's done this, someone like me or 
  Allan might even translate it into something more layperson-friendly 
  for gnome3.org.
 
  -Sumana
 
 Lucas also notes:
 
 Jon and Allan can definitely give useful overview of the general UX 
 roadmap; Jakub too. I'd focus on 3 things for the update.  if you guys 
 focus on those 3 areas, it will be easier to update roadmap.   Shell, 
 Settings and Platform -- if you can at least have a solid summary of the 
 plans for those 3 things, it's a good start.  then maybe just send out a 
 call for roadmaps for other areas ...
 
 shaun will probably jump in with docs roadmap.  api probably has a good 
 overview for a11y work.  mclasen would probably be the best person for a 
 platform roadmap.  (just thinking out loud here)
 
 Allan, can you take this on?

The roadmap [1] appears to be the place where post 3.0 plans will be
consolidated:

'We intend on updating this for 3.2 so you know what's in the plans for
3.2 (plans for the UX, settings, docs, platform, apps) by the time we
release 3.0 in April 2011.'

Will the existing Roadmap Gang [2] not be taking care of it?

Best,

Allan

[1] http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/
[2] http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Process#Roadmap_Gang
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Getting GNOME 3

2011-03-03 Thread Allan Day
Hi all,

We need to decide on what instructions we want to give users for how to
get this amazing new release of ours. I'd like to put this information
on gnome3.org, but we might want to use it elsewhere, too.

I have a few criteria I'd like to suggest for how we select the
installation and distribution methods that we want to recommend:

 * Full GNOME 3 experience. They should include GNOME Shell, the control
center, default stripes wallpaper and GTK theme (Adwaita).

 * High-quality experience: they should perform well and have no
noticable bugs.

 * Ease of installation: ideally, these options should not require the
use of a command line.

Any other factors we should consider?

I've been chasing down the relevant information for the 'big 3' distros.
This is the picture as it stands:

Fedora
==

 * Full GNOME 3 by default (albeit with added birds).

 * They have been doing lots of GNOME 3 QA.

openSUSE


 * 11.4 already has a GNOME 3 repo (based on the existing live image)
which will allow users to install and run a full GNOME 3 experience.

 * No formal QA that I am aware of, but Frederic Crozat assures me that
they are high quality packages.

 * The repo will be installable using a command line tutorial. It might
be available via 1 click install, though.

Ubuntu
==

 * GNOME 3 can be installed on 11.04 using an official GNOME 3 PPA. This
is uptodate and will be ready for the 11.04 release.

 * I've been told that the PPA is being used by the Ubuntu GNOME 3
packaging team.

 * The GNOME 3 PPA can be installed using the Ubuntu Software Center -
no command line required (see [1])

Do these seem like appropriate options for us to be recommending to our
users? Are there any others that we should consider?

Best,

Allan

[1]
http://askubuntu.com/questions/4983/what-are-ppas-and-how-do-i-use-them

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Re: Getting GNOME 3

2011-03-03 Thread Luis Medinas
2011/3/3 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com:
 Hi all,

 We need to decide on what instructions we want to give users for how to
 get this amazing new release of ours. I'd like to put this information
 on gnome3.org, but we might want to use it elsewhere, too.

 I have a few criteria I'd like to suggest for how we select the
 installation and distribution methods that we want to recommend:

  * Full GNOME 3 experience. They should include GNOME Shell, the control
 center, default stripes wallpaper and GTK theme (Adwaita).

  * High-quality experience: they should perform well and have no
 noticable bugs.

  * Ease of installation: ideally, these options should not require the
 use of a command line.

 Any other factors we should consider?

Have you looked at Gentoo ? They contain also a repository[1] with GNOME 3.

I think we should add specific instructions with in case of:
- Fedora, a Fedora 15 alpha iso image or upgrade from F14.
- OpenSUSE, a one click install for the repository.
- Ubuntu, a link for apt to add the repository to the sources.list
- Other distros, report to us if there's any packages available or use jhbuild.
Probably we should use any newbies guide for jhbuild.

After this we should make sure that if there is any installation
problem to report to distros and not to GNOME.

Cheers
Luis

1 - http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gnome.git;a=summary
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GNOME 3 DVD, help needed

2011-03-03 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi,

Novell will produce GNOME-branded LiveDVD for GNOME 3.0, and will give
them to the community.

To make it's all perfect, we need a few things:

 + test the GNOME 3 images produced by Fred Crozat, and report
   everything that's wrong or missing (which cool app are we missing,
   where is the branding not good, etc.)

 + collect some marketing material to put on the DVD (slides, banners,
   etc. about GNOME 3)

 + create a DVD sleeve. We can use the openSUSE ones as a basis, to make
   sure we have the right format:
 http://gitorious.org/opensuse/art/trees/master/CD-sleeve

The DVD sleeve is the thing that could block everything, so that's the
most important part, I'd say :-) Any volunteers?

(Ideally, to thank Novell, we'd leave some kind of Powered by openSUSE
or Geeko head logo somewhere, like on the boot screen and in a corner of
the DVD sleeve)

Thanks,

Vincent

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Re: GNOME 3 DVD, help needed

2011-03-03 Thread Alberto Ruiz
Hey Vincent, Fred,

Great job on the live CD, GNOME really needs this.

Now, if I find bugs on the LiveDVD while testing that are not related
to GNOME code, where should we report them?

Cheers,
Alberto Ruiz

2011/3/3 Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org:
 Hi,

 Novell will produce GNOME-branded LiveDVD for GNOME 3.0, and will give
 them to the community.

 To make it's all perfect, we need a few things:

  + test the GNOME 3 images produced by Fred Crozat, and report
   everything that's wrong or missing (which cool app are we missing,
   where is the branding not good, etc.)

  + collect some marketing material to put on the DVD (slides, banners,
   etc. about GNOME 3)

  + create a DVD sleeve. We can use the openSUSE ones as a basis, to make
   sure we have the right format:
     http://gitorious.org/opensuse/art/trees/master/CD-sleeve

 The DVD sleeve is the thing that could block everything, so that's the
 most important part, I'd say :-) Any volunteers?

 (Ideally, to thank Novell, we'd leave some kind of Powered by openSUSE
 or Geeko head logo somewhere, like on the boot screen and in a corner of
 the DVD sleeve)

 Thanks,

 Vincent

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Re: GNOME 3 DVD, help needed

2011-03-03 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011, à 15:01 +, Alberto Ruiz a écrit :
 Hey Vincent, Fred,
 
 Great job on the live CD, GNOME really needs this.
 
 Now, if I find bugs on the LiveDVD while testing that are not related
 to GNOME code, where should we report them?

Ideally, you'd report them to openSUSE (currently in
bugzilla.novell.com), but if it's only a small amount of bugs, you can
tell me directly.

Note that the current image is based on openSUSE 11.3, and it will soon
switch to openSUSE 11.4, so those kind of bugs might be fixed already
:-)

Cheers,

Vincent

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Re: GNOME 3 DVD, help needed

2011-03-03 Thread Allan Day
Vincent Untz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Novell will produce GNOME-branded LiveDVD for GNOME 3.0, and will give
 them to the community.

Awesome!

 To make it's all perfect, we need a few things:
 
  + test the GNOME 3 images produced by Fred Crozat, and report
everything that's wrong or missing (which cool app are we missing,
where is the branding not good, etc.)
 
  + collect some marketing material to put on the DVD (slides, banners,
etc. about GNOME 3)
 
  + create a DVD sleeve. We can use the openSUSE ones as a basis, to make
sure we have the right format:
  http://gitorious.org/opensuse/art/trees/master/CD-sleeve
 
 The DVD sleeve is the thing that could block everything, so that's the
 most important part, I'd say :-) Any volunteers?

I'm sure we can get something sorted. When do you need it by? What are
the dimensions/format? I presume it will be printed in colour?

 (Ideally, to thank Novell, we'd leave some kind of Powered by openSUSE
 or Geeko head logo somewhere, like on the boot screen and in a corner of
 the DVD sleeve)

GNOME on the front, Novell on the back, perhaps? Have you got a link to
Novell branding assets we can use?

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Re: GNOME 3 DVD, help needed

2011-03-03 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011, à 17:29 +, Allan Day a écrit :
 Vincent Untz wrote:
   + create a DVD sleeve. We can use the openSUSE ones as a basis, to make
 sure we have the right format:
   http://gitorious.org/opensuse/art/trees/master/CD-sleeve
  
  The DVD sleeve is the thing that could block everything, so that's the
  most important part, I'd say :-) Any volunteers?
 
 I'm sure we can get something sorted. When do you need it by? What are
 the dimensions/format? I presume it will be printed in colour?

Let's say we need for April 6th, the day of 3.0 :-) Our current target
is to have everything ready for April 11th, but if we can do earlier,
it's better, obviously...

For the dimensions/format, we should just use the svg from openSUSE as a
basis (see link above).

Yes, it'll be printed in colour.

  (Ideally, to thank Novell, we'd leave some kind of Powered by openSUSE
  or Geeko head logo somewhere, like on the boot screen and in a corner of
  the DVD sleeve)
 
 GNOME on the front, Novell on the back, perhaps? Have you got a link to
 Novell branding assets we can use?

s/Novell/openSUSE/ really :-)
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Artwork_brand

Vincent

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GNOME 3 videos

2011-03-03 Thread Sumana Harihareswara

We launch GNOME 3 in about a month.  Very exciting!

I'm looking at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds 
and http://jasondclinton.livejournal.com/82744.html  -- I'm downloading 
some of the videos, but my connection is really slow right now so I 
can't judge whether any of them are ready to go up on gnome3.org.  
(Also, Jason said they'd need to be refilmed about now anyway -- 
updated, I assume.)


The marketing roadmap 
http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/MarketingRoadmap  suggests that I 
should reach out ASAP to the translation team to make translations of 
the video scripts -- that is, the words that the narrators are saying, 
and any important words visible on the screen.  That way, once we have 
re-filmed videos with up-to-date installations of GNOME 3, the 
translators can use http://universalsubtitles.org and easily copy and 
paste their translations into the subtitling interface.


So I need to know two things:

1) Are there volunteers who will make these videos?  We want to finish 
post-production work on GNOME 3 demo videos by about 20 March, so people 
should really start making the videos now.  Jason might be able to do 
some but we can't ask him to do all of them!
2) We have about 6 sample scripts for Gnome3In30Seconds ... are they 
final enough to give to translators?  If not, I suggest people edit them 
before Monday so I can give them to the i18n team as soon as possible.


-Sumana
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