Re: GNOME appreciation day (was Fwd: Looking for community managers or enthusiasts!)
+1000 2012/11/19 Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com Great idea, love it. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: On 15 November 2012 13:50, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: The one thing that was somewhat true is that we have less corporate support, back then IBM, Sun, Novell, Nokia and many other people were looking at GNOME as a platform to build products from. These days that's not the case. Market has changed, and sure, getting a job where you can do GNOMEy stuff is hard. This and the blog post from Sony that is linked below made me think of what could be a good marketing action: a GNOME appreciation day. http://developer.sonymobile.com/2012/10/31/linux-developers-join-forces-in-the-linaro-project/ The marketing team would coordinate with prominent users of GNOME the release of blog posts and/or press releases that would explain how the organization benefits from GNOME and how it participates in the community. This could be used to raise awareness of what GNOME is and how it works, and hopefully would bring more contributors. The participants in this campaign could be: - organizations doing derivatives such as Canonical, Bosch or Sugar Labs/OLPC, - consultancy companies such as Codethink, Collabora, or Igalia, - deployments such as City of Largo, - the foundation's advisory board members, - maybe famous people (Cory Doctorow uses GNOME?). Regards, Tomeu -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: world of gnome..
+1! 2012/10/15 Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org 2012/10/13 Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me: Man, I know more about what's going on in GNOME from reading that website than our own website. Kudos, guys! Why don't we propose them to join the marketing team and help with the announces et all? maybe giving them a GNOME subdomain for best visibility? They are doing an awesome job from what I see! cheers, Andrea -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: world of gnome..
2012/10/15 alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com Hello Ruiz, On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: Hi Alex, do not feel bad about it. We are an international community and our level of English varies from person to person, it was tough for me at the beginning too. We need to help each other and we WANT to help each other. And also, if you work closely with a proof reader, you will improve your writing skills, there's no other way to learn than writing a lot and having someone pointing out your mistakes :-) I can give you access to WP to edit posts if you want. But wouldn't be better if you were writing new topics? There are many interesting things around Gnome (not technical stuffs) you can write for and share it with the rest people! I do have my blog for that :-) - alex 2012/10/15 alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com Hello Emily, On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.comwrote: Alex, I would be happy to help proof-read and edit your posts for english grammar - for postings both on gnome.org or on your own site. I personally would feel bad to have someone to check my posts, it would be like a punishment for you! Of course if you want to host some of our posts, it would be great for us and is up to you if you have the time and mood to correct them :) Emily Thank you - alex On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! We will be glad to help in any way we can! I don't know what are the responsibilities of Marketing Team, but if they involve writing in Gnome.org pages, I don't think it would be a good idea. Our English ..hmm! It would be embarrassing for you to have grammar mistakes in your pages :) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote: Why don't we propose them to join the marketing team and help with the announces et all? maybe giving them a GNOME subdomain for best visibility? They are doing an awesome job from what I see! For all I know, they are watching every email on this thread. :-) And other threads also :) Cheers, Debarshi Thank you! - alex -- http://i.imgur.com/Z7jjX.jpg -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Commit digest on Planet GNOME
Done, sorry for the delay :-) 2012/9/23 Tobias Mueller mue...@cryptobitch.de Hey folks :) On 11.09.2012 05:53, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: So, what's the good word then? Go forward? Yes. Please. Let's hope Alberto gets around to do it soonish :) Cheers, Tobi -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Commit digest on Planet GNOME
As I mentioned before, I'm happy to do what the community agrees to do, but I won't be making the call :-) One question to solve is, what hackergotchi do we use? Do we use a logo? 2012/9/11 Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Tobias Mueller mue...@cryptobitch.dewrote: Heya :) On 04.08.2012 18:09, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: How about some kind of tabbed set of pages on planet.gnome? So you have one tab for planet, one for news, and for commits? I like the idea. I'm not using the planet website myself, but for me the commit digest is a valuable source of information and I think that many people, especially people that don't necessarily follow the development closely, will benefit from being able to read the commit digest on p.g.o. So, what's the good word then? Go forward? Keep status quo? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Syndicating gnome.org/news to news.gnome.org
The feed seems to be broken, no news on it: http://www.gnome.org/news/feed/ 2011/6/22 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:46:32AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Could we get gnome.org/news syndicated to news.gnome.org straight away, please? Regardless of other changes we might make, I think this is a good idea. Just add the feed to planet-web module. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Fwd: Gnome 3 Shell is fantastic
I aksed for permission to fwd this quote :-) That made my day! -- Forwarded message -- From: Joanne Payne joannelpa...@googlemail.com Date: 2011/4/20 Subject: Gnome 3 Shell is fantastic To: ar...@synaptia.net Hello Alberto! My boyfriend went to the Gnome 3 Release party in Manchester - when he came back he asked if he could install the Gnome 3 Shell on my netbook. I was reluctant at first, but eventually let him and thought you might like to know how great I'm finding it! In the past I've found some free software very difficult/non-user friendly, but I'm really loving the simplicity and general slickness of this. And it looks great too. Anyway - I just wanted to say thank you for restoring my wavering faith in free software. Many thanks, Joanne Payne -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
Hey Jason, Awesome work! I love the format and the music! Just one suggestion, I have the feeling that transitions between the desktop and you standing are a bit too slow. For example, the second time you show up, there's more time of transitioning than you explaining to the camera, which isn't very nice. Other than that, I love it! Good work! :-) 2011/3/21 Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com: On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 22:53, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 19:05, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here. Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be produced tomorrow. http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm I just uploaded an updated version with the same file name as above that incorporates some feedback: A release candidate is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering. Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes. All source files for this one are now posted, too. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hello Allan, I'm actually quite worried about this use case and the impact that 3.0 can have on them. Yes, corporate desktop is not the primary target for GNOME 3.0, but it is our largest install base by a long shot (schools, corporations, public entities, universities...). I think there's some thinking to do in terms of messaging in this specific topic to not scare these users away. Note that if sysadmins feel that we are going to give up on them, they may start looking into alternatives. We need to be clear that we want them to stick to 2.x/classic for now and that we are going to think about them in future releases. My 2 cents, Alberto 2011/3/21 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: Brian Cameron wrote: Allan: On 03/18/11 04:28 AM, Allan Day wrote: The message, as Olav has already pointed out, is that it is 'fallback', not 'classic' GNOME. It's what you get if you are unlucky enough not to be able to run the full GNOME 3 desktop. It isn't intended as something that users choose to use. (There is a switch in the control center that lets you force the fallback mode, however.) I can imagine some situations where a user would want to choose 'fallback' mode. For example, when accessing a remote machine via XDMCP or Xvnc, users would likely find that 'fallback' GNOME performs better - especially if latency is high. If my home directory is shared between the remote and local machine, I might want to use GNOME 3 on my local machine, but use fallback GNOME when I log into remote machines. I get your point that for the average or typical user, it probably does not make sense to expose the fallback/classic mode. However, there will likely always be particular configurations or setups where it makes sense for people to use it. Unless GNOME is evolving to simply just not support these sorts of use cases anymore. In terms of marketing, I'm not sure it makes sense to be targeting these kinds of users right now. In the longer term, it would be useful to see wider discussion about GNOME's approach to these kinds of technical environments. Best wishes, Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hello Allan, Do you have any suggestions for our marketing materials in this respect? It would be great if you could look over the materials that are currently in production. I'll send you them. Please do! Sysadmins in general, or sysadmins in the contexts that Brian wrote about? I'm unaware of plans to tackle either of these... The large deployment sysadmins, basically the users of the distros providing corporate desktop (such as RHEL/Solaris/SLED), Dave Richards from PGO is probably a good example of the type I'm thiking about. I'm unaware of any plans myself as well, and I am not sure who is going to work on this. It might be worth having a chat with the guys taking care of these distros. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hey John, This is a sore point indeed, GNOME Shell won't run on VirtualBox (the only cross-platform/user-friendly/ opensource desktop virtualization app), same for KVM (I don't know what's the state for VMWare though). This really troubles me, a lot of people these days (certainly a lot of Mac guys) run Linux on a VM, at the same time, the Unity guys have managed to get their stuff running on top of the VirtualBox 3D driver. I do not know what is going on at the technical side (probably clutter requiring OpenGL extensions VirtualBox doesn't implement), but certainly something worth investigating with the clutter guys. Then again, I think we should keep the fallback mode as close to the 2.x look as possible tbh to avoid confusion. Maybe showing a startup splash explaining it the first time it falls back. My 2cents 2011/3/16 John Stowers john.stowers.li...@gmail.com: Hi All, This morning I saw this - http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/classic-gnome-3-beta-2-video-no-shell.html From the comments I conclude that people have no idea what the classic/fallback desktop is and how it relates to G3. Another conclusion could be; that humanity is doomed. Perhaps the marketing team could address the first point. John -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3 DVD, help needed
Hey Vincent, Fred, Great job on the live CD, GNOME really needs this. Now, if I find bugs on the LiveDVD while testing that are not related to GNOME code, where should we report them? Cheers, Alberto Ruiz 2011/3/3 Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org: Hi, Novell will produce GNOME-branded LiveDVD for GNOME 3.0, and will give them to the community. To make it's all perfect, we need a few things: + test the GNOME 3 images produced by Fred Crozat, and report everything that's wrong or missing (which cool app are we missing, where is the branding not good, etc.) + collect some marketing material to put on the DVD (slides, banners, etc. about GNOME 3) + create a DVD sleeve. We can use the openSUSE ones as a basis, to make sure we have the right format: http://gitorious.org/opensuse/art/trees/master/CD-sleeve The DVD sleeve is the thing that could block everything, so that's the most important part, I'd say :-) Any volunteers? (Ideally, to thank Novell, we'd leave some kind of Powered by openSUSE or Geeko head logo somewhere, like on the boot screen and in a corner of the DVD sleeve) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Gtk+ videos and twitter account
Hello there, just a quick note, as an effort to promote the GNOME stack I have created a video[0] that probably most of you have already watched on the planet (about 500 visits so far not counting the OGG dowloads). The video shows how to quicly put together a Gtk+ Hello World with Vala. I hope to create other videos showing how to use the GNOME development platform. The motivation here is to create a set of contents, mainly video, that debunks myths about GTK+ and other core GNOME libraries (such as GTK+/GNOME == C, bindings are second class citizens, and the like). The idea is to gather enough content to be deployed in the GTK+ website so that it becomes a point that empowers people to create apps instead to explain what GTK+ is and point people to the source tarballs. Javier Jardon and myself have also created linked Twitter[1] and identi.ca[2] accounts and we will try to use it to promote the platform and inform about news and exciting stuff happing around the toolkit. [0] http://www.vimeo.com/9617309 [1] http://twitter.com/gtktoolkit [2] http://identi.ca/gtktoolkit -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing
2009/9/18 Brian Cameron brian.came...@sun.com: Marketing Team: The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term GNU/Linux instead of the term Linux, and also discourages referring to free software and licenses as open source. Their argument, which I think is valid, is that doing so helps to highlight free software and bring positive attention towards the free software community. I do see value on being politically correct. However, to be politically correct, if we wanted to be consistent with the FSF argument that GNU deserves credit because it complements the Linux kernel to create a usable system, for loads of people, Xorg and some BSD utilities also complements the Linux kernel in this regard, should we be doing something like Xorg/GNU/BSD/Linux then? Credit is only useful among the developer type, and the developer type is quite aware of the important role that the GNU project had and still has in this regard, they just happen not to be the only ones to have an important role, and saying just Linux is a good way to keep things neutral and simple. In any case, this is just my opinion and if the board decides otherwise, I wouldn't be strongly against of using the recommended FSF terminology as I see value on being politically correct, but keep in mind that IMHO, this will only make them happy and will not solve any other problem than keeping them happy. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: What is GNOME?
2009/9/8 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org: I met with Denise last week and she pointed out: It's very hard to tell what GNOME is from our web pages. If you don't know when you land on gnome.org, you aren't likely to figure it out. An easy to understand desktop doesn't really mean anything to non desktop/OS developers. When you go to About GNOME, you get a list of our values/features but not a definition, screenshot or list of projects. It's very hard to find a list of projects in GNOME. No where do we say what GNOME stands for. No where do we say why we have a foot print as a logo. (There's mention of how it came about in a history here, http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/gnome-history.html, but no mention of why we/they/he thought the foot was representative.) Our current web pages are pretty much for people that already know what GNOME is, but we might want to rethink that as we roll out the new webpage. I think it's a marketing problem. Thoughts? I think we should break it down to these: A project that aims to make computer accessible to everyone (in the wider possible meaning of accessible, 0 cost, accessible, localized...), this is the BIG meaning. Then this big meaning gets broken down to these 3 main approaches to achieve the goal: * An opensource desktop environment for open source operating systems. (This needs a non-geeky wording approach though) (Freedom for users) *A complete set of tools for developers to create apps for such environment. (Freedom for developers) * An online, world-wide community of people joined together for the pursue of GNOME's goals. My two cents. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Amazon stores up and running
2009/8/30 Jaap A. Haitsma j...@haitsma.org: Hi, I think I now have the GNOME Amazon stores is such a shape that we can start advertising them. Please go to: http://www.gnome.org/friends/amazon/ and take a look or even better buy something. To make it easy every store has a searchplugin which you can install in firefox. Just click on the dropdown of the search engines and you can add it. I wonder if it's worth publicizing so outdated books, buying those would be a total waste of time. Most of the technologies explained on those books are deprecated, with the exception of Foundations of Gtk+ and the distro related books. I've also released version 1.0 of GNOME Amazon Firefox add-on here https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13182/ It's still needs to be reviewed by addons.mozilla.org but you can already use it. That extension automatically puts in the friend of gnome referal code, if there is none yet. So if you want to make sure that a percentage of what you buy goes to the GNOME foundation you better check that tag=friendofgnome-xx (where xx is 20, 21 or 22) is part of the URL or just buy directly in the GNOME amazon store. However I think the extension is something what you can install at computers of family members or friends (with their permission of course) who buy stuff at Amazon. For them nothing changes. They can just shop as they do normally but 4-6% of what they buy goes to the GNOME foundation So that's the technical part. Now how are we going to market this? 1) Stormy asked me to write about it on my blog. I'm waiting to get added to planet gnome. When that's the case I can write something 2) We can add a logo plus some text in the sidebar of www.gnome.org/friends 3) We could add something at the gnome homepage 4) Maybe even a press release. Jaap -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
On Epiphany marketing, and income opportunities
Hello Marketing list, I wanted to draw attention on an issue that it's been mentioned before. Which is trying to get some money out of the default search engine used in epiphany. Obviously, we won't get as much money as the Mozilla Foundation out of this, but it'll be worth knowing how much can we make out of it and there are other upsides about it besides the income. I think that with a marketing campaign similar to friends of GNOME targeted to GNOME users remarking that the usage of Epiphany can help the foundation and the project would actually give loads of users a reason to use _our_ browser. Keep in mind that Epiphany is way better integrated with GNOME than Firefox, and it's part of our Desktop suite, so we should be encouraging its use. Any thoughts about this? Does it sound like a good plan? -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: On Epiphany marketing, and income opportunities
2009/7/20 Alex Hudson h...@alexhudson.com: On 20/07/09 11:39, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I wanted to draw attention on an issue that it's been mentioned before. Which is trying to get some money out of the default search engine used in epiphany. Obviously, we won't get as much money as the Mozilla Foundation out of this, but it'll be worth knowing how much can we make out of it and there are other upsides about it besides the income. I think the basic problem with this plan is that GNOME has very little branding control. Most of what gets deployed is re-branded in some way, and the main GNOME desktops a. don't come with Epi and b. already have customised, branded search. Firefox has _much_ stronger control over its user experience. Well, I don't think this is all about branding control. I was just talking about promoting Epi among our own community. In any case this problem is orthogonal to the proposal I'm making. Personally, I think that GNOME should exert more pressure on downstream, but I think from a marketing perspective the value of Epi is very limited in terms of what people might be willing to pay. Well, as I said, I think we should target our own community for a start, and I don't think we should actually try to push distros to use Epiphany at this point. Pretty much none of us use epiphany, and this would be a great opportunity to empower the application within power users and developers. We can think on what do we want next after that. Even if the money was very little, it could help to fund webkit+accesibility/plain webkit/epiphany hackfests. I would be more than happy if that was the only achievement. Sorry this is a negative reaction, but that is my initial thought. Probably still worth asking, though. Cheers, Alex. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: On Epiphany marketing, and income opportunities
2009/7/20 Alex Hudson h...@alexhudson.com: Hi Alberto, I think I probably need to clarify something I said: On 20/07/09 13:19, Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2009/7/20 Alex Hudson h...@alexhudson.com: I think the basic problem with this plan is that GNOME has very little branding control. Most of what gets deployed is re-branded in some way, and the main GNOME desktops a. don't come with Epi and b. already have customised, branded search. Firefox has _much_ stronger control over its user experience. Well, I don't think this is all about branding control. I was just talking about promoting Epi among our own community. In any case this problem is orthogonal to the proposal I'm making. I don't think this issue is orthogonal, I think it's central. To get money for default search, advertisers/sponsors are going to be looking for basically one thing: audience(*). If they're paying for a default search slot, they're going to want to have a good idea of a. what type of people they will be reaching, and b. how many of them there will be. That's an assumption that we cannot make until we actually approach them. There could be agreements on a certain amount of money per search, which won't necessarily makes the fact that currently epi has a very small audience such an important point. If I understand you correctly, you want to go to search providers and say We'd like you to sponsor our default search feature, and they will ask what they get in return. At the moment, distros don't offer Epi and they override the default search feature anyway (at least, Fedora and Ubuntu do). For this to work distros don't have to offer Epi by default. And regarding the defaults, it's not like we don't have friends in the respective distros and solve the problem. Unless some search provider is willing to spend that money basically altruistically, I don't know how it would be possible to give them any substantial amount of traffic. Yay! That's the spirit! As I said, it could be done on a per search basis, if we don't even try talking with them, we won't know what can we get out of it. We can market this as as part to the move to webkit, we are planning to revamp the usage of Epiphany among the community of users and extend its integration to the desktop to enhance the user experience, we think this would boost the usage of the browser... blah blah, which is actually true. On the other hand, as soon as you mention you're talking with other providers, they'll probably be more willing to get to an agreement. Besides, it's not like google or yahoo are not keen on donating money to open source foundations. So, if your suggestion is to just do nothing, and not approach anyone. Then, okay, I got it. But I'm not planning to stop on doing it anyway :-) -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Spanish poster for the Friends of GNOME campaign
2009/7/13 Licio Fonseca liciofons...@gnome.org: Hi Alberto, Do you have a english version of this poster? Sure, sorry, I sent the email by the end of the talk and the slogan lacks some explanation indeed. Basically it says Put one foot in GNOME. Let me elaborate a bit: At least in the spanish/hispanic culture, associating the concept of friendship and any money transaction is not very well understood, so we tried to figure out a way to express that this was a way to contribute back to GNOME and be somewhat part of the community. At the same time we didn't wanted to keep Friends of GNOME as the campaign name, so we discussed that what we needed was a catchy sentence that would contain the concept of community. So after a few attempts we came up with the slogan. The rest of the text is a direct translation from the original posters. By the way, eventhough the attendance was not as high as I expected, I found the workshop a success, and a few Industrial Design students asked me for my email and expressed their willingness to collaborate in the future (let's see if they actually do it). Maybe the only downside is that one of the students seemed to miss what the whole thing was about, and got a bit annoyed by the fact that I was asking people to contribute for fry, and to ask for money none the less! (someone told me that offline, I tried my best clarifying that GNOME was a community of volunteers, and that contributing is a great way to build a profile/cv, but it seemed I encourage to everyone in the marketing list to give a similar workshop in their closest design school and make a similar presentation. These are[0][1] slides I used, they probably need rebranding (I was at GUADEC on behalf of Codethink so I had to use my employer's template), feel free to make any modifications or comments. [0] http://www.gnome.org/~aruiz/GNOME.art.contribs.odp [1] http://www.gnome.org/~aruiz/GNOME.art.contribs.pdf On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Alberto Ruizar...@gnome.org wrote: Hello marketing list, greetings from the art contribution workshop on GUADEC-ES, we just created a localized poster for the Friends of GNOME campaign, I hope you like it. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Licio Fonseca Jabber: li...@jabber.org | I Seek You (Icq): 271062447 http://blog.licio.eti.br (pt_BR) http://weblog.licio.eti.br (en) Timothy Leary - Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition. - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/timothy_leary.html -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: promoting good gnome apps via news.gnome.org
2009/6/19 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org: I think this is a problem that will have to be solved with all the distros in a room. Unless we come up with a solution that is so elegant end-users just use it. Saying we shouldn't do an installer because each distro is different, is ignoring a user problem. apt-get and yum are beyond the average user that I think we are trying to target ... (If we ever want more than 10% market share, we can't count apt-get and yum as solutions. We also can't live in a world where you have to use multiple installers. Last time I installed something on Ubuntu, I used their installer and then got sent to synaptic.) I totally agree with Stormy here, to what is worth, NetBeans has an installer/unstaller and people seem really happy with this approach, it gets installed on your home directory so it doesn't clashes with anything else. What we really need in the linux landscape is an .app like approach for users for bundle applications. Developers have to waste loads of time on learning the mechanics of every packaging system to deliver their apps efficiently, and users can't get a decent app installation experience. I think package managers are really nice for the system software/services, core components, the desktop, but for standalone desktop apps is just a fail approach that doesn't benefit anyone (except for the distros that avoid to make the effort/pain that it gets to agree on a common format and a roadmap for migration mid/long term). Given that GNOME pretends to be a platform to create apps for our desktop, I think this is a sensitive point and that it'll be for the benefit of our developers and users to try to approach this issue. Stormy On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@sun.com wrote: Dave: I am against any Linux ISD (including ourselves) trying to provide a one-size-fits-all installer, until a packaging system that allows that comes along. I have high hopes for PackageKit, but in the meantime, your goal should not be to give people installers, but to document installing it on the most popular distributions (Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, Fedora, SuSe) with generic apt-get or yum instructions. Each distribution has a distribution specific installer, that is what we should be targeting. I have to say that I agree with you. I know, for example, that Sun Microsystems patches the upstream code in numerous ways to make the code work on Solaris/OpenSolaris. We work hard to get our patches upstream, but there is usually a lag time and some modules are not well maintained (we have patches in bugzilla for modules like libgnome and gnome-vfs that have sat idle for years). Providing an installer that provides builds that are not provided by distro are bound to not have such needed patches and modifications, be hard to support, and will likely not work well or as users expect. Perhaps, instead of providing an installer, we could just point users towards the correct resources to get the latest code from their distro directly? Or perhaps we could write a wrapper script that provides a common interface for the various distro update systems? Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Google Adwords Application for Review (WAS Re: Google Adsense versus Adwords)
2009/5/29 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org: Hi Stormy, Stormy Peters wrote: I was looking for applications that also work on Windows since most people searching will be using Windows. We could use Inkscape instead of gnucash. What applications would you suggest? GIMP, Inkscape, Dia, GnuCash (I disagree with Claus, while agreeing the app and web page could be better), Pidgin, Gnumeric, Abiword Tomboy as well. http://www.winlibre.com/en/ has a bunch of free software windows applications, many are really great. The site is a little out of date. TheOpenDisc http://www.theopendisc.com/ has the same, and Framakey http://framakey.org/ is a French site which is very up to date. The ones I would not include that work well on windows are apps like WireShark, which is a hardcore geek application, or Audacity, which is not really that nice (and which is only a gtk+ application through its use of wxwindows). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: recruiting sponsors
2009/5/26 Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak m...@avtechpulse.com: Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: Now there are 2 possible fees 5000$ if you have =50 employees 1$ if you have 50 employees You could think of a 1 or 2 more levels here. Because a company of 51 employees is quite different to 5000 employees. So what about 1000$ 10 employees 2500$ 25 employees 5000$ 100 employees 1$ 1000 employees 2$ 1000 employees +1. That would dramatically increase the odds of getting money from small companies, speaking as a 10 company person. +1. Totally agree. These days you see a lot of GNOME small shops, I'm pretty sure such approach would a) reduce the pressure for the current (small) members and 2) increase the number (or at least the chance of increase it) of overall small companies that are part of the foundation. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: recruiting sponsors
2009/5/26 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org: Hi, There's a trade-off here: * We want an influential advisory board with big supporters of GNOME * We want more money Currently, we have the influential advisory board, and all the members (with the possible exception of Google, SFLC) are involved in distributing or developing GNOME and the GNOME platform. We don't want to lose that, but we want to increase funds available. One possible way is to increase how much we receive for the advisory board dues from each member. Another way to raise more money is to have a corporate sponsorship program where people get a reward for giving a certain amount of money. But I think it's vital to keep the two absolutely, and completely, separate. Totally agree. I don't think it's worth populating the AdBoard with companies/orgs that cannot add value. But still, I know organizations that would be happy to just be part of the foundation as a bare marketing thing or a way to pay back what they get out of the project with no intents at all of being part of the adboard. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: recruiting sponsors
2009/5/26 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org: I agree and I think there's two ways we could deal with this. I'm recommending the second. 1) Completely divorce adboard seats from money. Make the adboard by invite only. We would get/keep a lot of control but we would lose our leverage to raise money through the adboard. (Also, many of our supporters in companies use this as a way to convince their management that sponsoring the GNOME Foundation is a good thing. It gives them a seat on the adboard which enables them to work closely with the GNOME Foudnation and project.) Hi Stormy, Well, as I see it, if a company wants to be in the board, they should probably be in the board (meaning, if they have the will to be involved, they probably have some value to add). We could state that only foundation members can be in the adboard, and that the inclusion in the adboard has to be negotiated with the board of directors first to discuss what values do they want to provide. I don't think we lose the leverage given such scenario, we just lose the 1-1 map between foundation and adboard members. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Having search engines pay for being default search engine in epiphany, deskbar applet etc
2009/5/7 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org: Reinout van Schouwen wrote: Op woensdag 06-05-2009 om 07:25 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Stormy Peters: We'll need to pull in the right developers to get their support for putting it Epiphany or where ever else we have search options ... Uh, Google has been the default search engine in Epiphany since the very start. Google should be able to tell us the search volume coming from the Epiphany search box, then? If it's tiny, it's probably not worth their while supporting us (any more than they already are through their advisory board membership, GUADEC sponsorship, Summer of Code...) What about Yahoo!? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: www.gnome.org redesign status
2009/4/21 Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org: On 04/21/2009 12:07 PM, Murray Cumming wrote: I found that to be a strange response to me saying (in that same email) that we should not block on choosing _any_ CMS. We don't need a CMS to get the new structure and content online. A suitable CMS would be _nice_, but it's not a blocker. Lack of committed web people is the blocker. Any reason not simply go with MediaWiki? We already know that the wiki is where everything happens. Why not use it for everything? Hi Behdad, If you want a structured webpage you either use a CMS and use its structuring tools, or use a wikipage and commit yourself and everyone else submitting content to keep a high discipline on how the structure should be, also, doing the right theming is definitively harder. In my experience, Wikis are not the solution for this sort of things. You need my .02CAD behdad -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Brochure for potential sponsors: need help!
2009/3/23 Jonh Wendell jwend...@gnome.org: Em Seg, 2009-03-23 às 07:24 -0600, Stormy Peters escreveu: I'd be interested in a separate version targeted at GNOME Foundation members. I think as a marketing team, we should think about how to explain the benefits of the GNOME Foundation to its members. Providing infrastructure for the GNOME project. Sponsoring community events. Providing travel to members to GNOME events and to speak about GNOME at other events. ... Stormy Also would be great to have a generic version (not only to Foundation members), showing what GNOME is, what GNOME Foundation is, and how to contribute to the GNOME project. I would be more interested in that version. Actually, becoming a Foundation member is a natural step that comes after contributing. So I guess the most effective way to get new members is to outreach new contributors (and a more interesting way as well). Thanks, -- Jonh Wendell http://www.bani.com.br -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Hello there
Hi there, Alberto Ruiz here, just got subscribed to the mailing list. As some of you may know, I did a talk on Marketing Gtk+ (as in GNOME the platform) last GUADEC (which, by the way, had pretty much no attendance due to being scheduled for the last slot of the last day). I haven't done much work around what I preached, but complaining so far, so I've recently switched to JFDI mode recently. Proposing marketing strategies to the community and not being part of the marketing mailing list was sort of a contradiction, but at the time I started I was in too many development mailing list. So here I am. I'm quite interested in the marketing side on all regarding our development platform rather than the desktop itself. I don't know what's being the trend around here so far so get ready to get a lot of questions from me on the ongoing discussions (if there are any). Well, I guess that's all for a presentation. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
