Re: GNOME project description for EuroOSCON .org day]
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 14:36 +0100, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > > Comments? > > It's a lot clearer :) > > > Check from native speakers? > > 'comprise' never goes with 'of'. > 'Comprising hundreds of volunteer developers...' > > 'Target platforms are both the desktop as well > embedded devices.' > You don't need 'both' AND 'as well'. Okay, thanks! Remaining question: they need the GNOME logo in web and print resolution. A web logo is not too difficult to find, but in print resolution I don't know where to take it from. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME project description for EuroOSCON .org day]
> << > Comprised of hundreds of volunteer developers and industry-leading > companies, the GNOME Foundation is an organization committed to > supporting the advancement of GNOME. GNOME is a free software project > that provides a complete, easy to use desktop for a variety of > operating systems, including GNU/Linux, BSD, Solaris (tm), Operating > Environment, HP-UX, Unix, BSD and Apple's Darwin. More than 700 > computer developers, including over 100 full-time, paid developers, > contribute their time and effort to the project. > >> New suggestion: << Comprised of hundreds of volunteer developers and industry-leading companies, GNOME is aiming to create a computing environment for the general public that is completely free software. Target platforms are both the desktop as well as embedded devices. At the same time GNOME is committed to enable people with disabilities through an elaborated Accessibility framework as the result of several years of effort. >> Comments? Check from native speakers? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: [Foundations] EuroOSCON .org day]
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 17:44 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > EurOSCon is reserving place for free software projects to present in > > Amsterdam this year - is there any interest in a GNOME stand there? > > > > My initial feeling is "no" - from what I've seen, the OSCons aren't > > particularly desktop oriented, or necessarily free *nix oriented. > > In the past, I would have agreed, but having just returned from OSCON in the > USA, and seen the massive shift in OS X vs. Ubuntu there, I think it would > have made a lot of sense to have a GNOME presence. EuroOSCON is different > again in that it has a much more European slant - there are a lot more Linux > users in the crowd than at OSCON in the USA. I think it would be worthwhile > showing off what we're doing at EuroOSCON. I have contacted them and we do get a table and two easels for a GNOME stand. They currently have the following description for the GNOME project on file and I was wondering if there is a newer one: << Comprised of hundreds of volunteer developers and industry-leading companies, the GNOME Foundation is an organization committed to supporting the advancement of GNOME. GNOME is a free software project that provides a complete, easy to use desktop for a variety of operating systems, including GNU/Linux, BSD, Solaris (tm), Operating Environment, HP-UX, Unix, BSD and Apple's Darwin. More than 700 computer developers, including over 100 full-time, paid developers, contribute their time and effort to the project. >> Plus they need a high res logo for the brochures. Is there one available for download? Last not least: anybody else on the list interested in manning the stand? I'll otherwise contact the Brussels LUG and see to get one or two more people from there. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: [Foundations] EuroOSCON .org day]
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 17:44 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > EurOSCon is reserving place for free software projects to present in > > Amsterdam this year - is there any interest in a GNOME stand there? > > Amsterdam just sounds cool, but isn't it in Brussels? :^) > > My initial feeling is "no" - from what I've seen, the OSCons aren't > > particularly desktop oriented, or necessarily free *nix oriented. > > In the past, I would have agreed, but having just returned from OSCON in the > USA, and seen the massive shift in OS X vs. Ubuntu there, I think it would > have made a lot of sense to have a GNOME presence. EuroOSCON is different > again in that it has a much more European slant - there are a lot more Linux > users in the crowd than at OSCON in the USA. I think it would be worthwhile > showing off what we're doing at EuroOSCON. I have time and could take care of the Organisation. I checked on live.gnome.org for the Eventbox and it is available during the event. Is there a LUG in Brussels to get more people to man the stand? What are the further proceedings? Shall I contact O'Reilly on behalf of GNOME? Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Gnome 2.14 Live CD ??]
Hi, I wrote a mail to the list and a couple of private mails but people were busy or didn't respond at all. The liveCD is at the bottom of the directory. Actually it is just a temporary location but it's the only place where I have upload rights. The point is that the CD is based on the ubuntu CD and they do their own modifications. Thus somebody needs to check that everything fits with the official GNOME release. Last time a couple of people showed up being dissatisfied with the result. Probably a better approach will be using garnome or jhbuild and compile that in a chroot on the CD. Thus it will contain automatically the official components. Marcus On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 07:31 +0100, Quim Gil wrote: > The guy is right. In > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rninstallation.html we are > saying: > > "You can try out GNOME 2.14 via the LiveCD which contains all of the > software included in GNOME 2.14 on a single CD. It can be downloaded > from the GNOME BitTorrent site or GNOME FTP." > > But these repositories have 2.12 only. What went wrong and how can we > solve it? > > email message attachment, "Forwarded message - Gnome 2.14 Live CD ??" > > Forwarded Message > > From: Vincent Trouilliez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Ubuntu-Sounder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Gnome 2.14 Live CD ?? > > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:06:47 +0100 > > Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 > > > > I meant to download the Live CD of Gnome 2.14, but although I found > > reference to it on gnome.org, the links point to the old 2.12 CD, not > > 2.14 :-( > > > > Anyone in the know about this ? Jeff W. maybe ?? > > > > > > -- > > Vince > > > > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME/KDE success story
There is a nice article on newsforge about a free desktop success story by an art professor, featuring peaceful and sense-making coexistence of GNOME and KDE, showing the readiness of open source in environments outside the worlds of enterprises and computer freaks. http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/03/09/2238246.shtml?tid=37 The author is Gurdy Leete from Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, IA: http://www.mum.edu/arts/faculty/leete.html Marcus ps: maybe somebody on syndicated on the planets can link to the newsforge story -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
liveCD 2.14
A quite final version of the liveCD is at: http://ftp.gnome.org/mirror/temp/gnome-livecd-2.12/gnome-livecd-2.14-i386-en-1.iso It is based on ubuntu and still contains some ubuntu branding. I had liked to get it more vendor neutral but simply didn't have enough computing power. Blame it on DHL who got my new computer lost between Germany and France - I was stuck with an old PII450 which is a nightmare for CD development. Well, check it out and feed me back. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > Addendum: > - If anyone knows the status of the LiveCD, that section requires > updating. As I wrote the other day I ordered a new computer but it hasn't yet arrived. Thus I'll clear up some space on my laptop and start producing the liveCD tomorrow. I'm still positive that we get an amd64 version too. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Release Notes Going into CVS
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:23 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > Only somewhat related, does anyone know the status of the live CD? I did the last one and the a11y one plus a couple of the international ones and could do the 2.14 too. I just ordered an amd64 so I could cover that architecture as well. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Guerilla Marketing GNOME
I just came across a website [1] from a guy doing Guerilla Marketing of Linux in Paris, calling it "PC Jacking". The idea is to burn liveCDs and go into the big computer chain stores and start it on the computers. He then simply leaves the CD-R in the drive. There is a message on the CD-R which reads as: "This is a Linux CD to protest against the forced sale of Microsoft Windows with every computer bought in this store. This CD leaves the computer totally unaffected. Just take the CD out of the drive and reboot to let the computer back in its original state." The whole thing has some potential, however it is most likely a more successful approach not to protest *against* somethingy but using a more positive approach instead. Keep in mind the stores want to sell/make business and it is just amazing that they forget about potential linux-using customers. Thus a bit of grassroot marketing may just make the way to upper management which seems asleep and missing out a already quite big customer base. Nowadays necessary disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, check with your local laws first. Always stay friendly and explain that for linux users it is important to know if the hardware runs linux and that the best way to test it would be a liveCD. Last not least GNOME might start a "GNOME friendly" campaign with a logo program and links to all shops that allow for testing before buying and having a couple of recent liveCDs ready at hand of . Have fun Marcus [1] http://www.manucornet.net/pcjacking/index.php -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Tarzan and Jane - GNOME personas 2005
Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 15:17 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : > Hi, > > Marcus Bauer wrote: > > Sounds all very good. Here are my suggestions for five personas: > > > > Jane, 19yo, college student. > > Tarzan, 30yo, no kids, running a small business > > Doris, 35yo, two kids, parttime job freelance design > > Cary, 45yo, "decision maker desktop" IT dept. of 200 employee company > > Miss Ellie, 60yo, 4 grand children > > > Doris & Miss Ellie don't seem to me to fit the bill. My idea behind Doris is that she is mother of two kids -let's say six and ten. Thus she stands for the "parents" group and is therefore looking for software for kids and would like to surveil/restrict her kids internet use. As a freelance she will be happy to use gimp, inkscape and scribus (yes, she is not religious about gnome) instead of shelling out hundreds of dollars for adobe for little extra use. As opposed to Tarzan no need for sophisticated business software (ERP,CRM etc.blabla...). Being more the creative type she is not to much into tech and usually doesn't care about backup until its too late. Of Miss Ellie I thought as the grandparent generation, grown up with dial phones and mechanical typewriters and little affinity to technology but is using computers to write and print letters, save recipes, surf the internet and write emails. Likes the simplicity of an old transitor radio: on/off-loundness and a knob for station search. Just needs to be plugged in. No cabling, no wiring, no equalizer, no narrow-bandwidth station sharpener, no RDS, no DMT, no > Perhaps Chad, a > lead programmer at Cyberdyne Computers, a company writing software and > considering a port to Linux, would be a better fit for a 3rd party > developer? You are absolutly right, I missed him out. He will care about IDEs, toolkits, libraries, Java vs. mono, .net, available documentation, license issuses of gtk vs. qt. > And it'd be cool if Tarzan could have a blog that gets read > by over 5,000 people per day. yep, imho fits the profile. > And how about having Cary be the IT > manager for a mid-European town council, or perhap a small county in the > UK, or a French school district, rather than a private company? I would agree to that too (just my humble opinion) > > And we could replace Miss Ellie with Caroline, a product manager at a > leading distribution of Linux? Like I said I wouldn't replace Ellie, but adding Caroline seems a very good idea. However I would call her Fleur and let her be the editor of a linux magazine ;-). Maybe just the editor of the tech section of a newspaper? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Tarzan and Jane - GNOME personas 2005: JANE
Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 14:08 +0100, Marcus Bauer a écrit : > Sounds all very good. Here are my suggestions for five personas: > > Jane, 19yo, college student. > Tarzan, 30yo, no kids, running a small business > Doris, 35yo, two kids, parttime job freelance design > Cary, 45yo, "decision maker desktop" IT dept. of 200 employee company > Miss Ellie, 60yo, 4 grand children No complaints so far, then here comes the profile of Jane: Hello, my name is Jane and I'm 19 years old going to college. And the topic at hand: teenagers and Linux, Open Source, et al. First of all, everyone needs to understand that kids aren’t going to randomly get up and decide that they want to switch to Linux for no particular reason at all. Teenagers share a lot of needs/wants/values with adults, though with some differences. Philosophical issues with the production of software will generally be a non-issue, unless the teenagers in question were brought up under open source. Most teens don’t really care about the difference between “free beer” and “free speech” (this analogy doesn’t work particularly well when you’re underage/don’t drink - free soda?). No, I’m not bashing my own age denomination here. Most teens probably won’t even understand the difference. I knew that many Linuxes were “free” when I started using Debian, but I didn’t understand the philosophy. It’s only through months of use and cultural immersion that I’ve earned an appreciation for the non-monetary values of open source. It’s just a question of exposure. At any rate, either teens will have someone they trust encouraging them/forcing them to look into Linux, or they will have a practical reason to want to switch, based off some exposure or information. For girls in particular, due to environmental conditions and stereotypes, it’s really very unlikely that they want to use Linux to become l337 h4×0rz. (That usually comes afterward. :-P ) My brother was always the handy guy that could help me out when I needed it, though I generally avoided having to ask for help at all costs. So, what do most teenagers do on their computers? From my experience (most of my current friends are not heavily computer literate, and hopefully represent a decent average): * instant message * surf the web * on this note, being capable of accessing embedded media, java, flash, etc. on the web * multimedia - video, digital music, the like * on this note, downloading music - legally and/or illegally * gaming * e-mail, to a limited extent, though many teens use free web-based mail services such as Hotmail or Gmail * manage and manipulate digital photos * blog - in the Livejournal and MySpace sense * word process * school projects, which include presentations (sometimes necessarily powerpoint, due to school computers), posters, just general printing, etc. * PRINTING PICTURES * CD burning - mostly audio, but some data * iPod syncing Mainstream teens and computing are all about the desktop, period. And gaming. Things that aren’t likely to be as big issues: security, productivity stuff, hobby-centric apps for things like sewing machines (I’m not crazy, that’s my mother), etc. Given this, a teenager would probably be using the following (also, I should note that I’m a GNOME user, so I really don’t have enough experience with KDE apps to include any) (this is the specifics, not the generic desktop stuff that will be there too): * GAIM, or another multi-protocol messenger. Most teens are on either AIM or MSN for communication, at least from what I’ve seen * Firefox as the browser of choice, most likely. I like Epiphany, personally, but there are a few things that at least I would miss from FF, namely: gmail notifier, selective cookie blocking, session saver. Might not be an issue for the everyday user, though. * F-Spot for photo cataloguing. This app rocks. * GIMP, for image manipulation * gtkam or another gphoto2 frontend for getting photos off a digital camera, though there may be other solutions for this - and F-Spot will download off a camera too I believe, though I’ve never used this feature * There are fugly legal issues involved with multimedia, which for at least the present are an obstacle to multimedia and Linux. Most every teenager will want compatibility with Windows sound and video, which usually means MPlayer (and mplayerplug-in for Mozilla). MPlayer’s (valid) non-inclusion in distros like Debian makes this also more difficult. * OpenOffice.org and probably Abiword too. * the OpenClipart library - nothing like some stock images to quickly spice up a slide. Searching for clipart on the web is a pain in the ass. * Either Thunderbird or Evolut
Tarzan and Jane - GNOME personas 2005
Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 13:54 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : > Hi, > > Alex Hudson wrote: > > I would be happy to help contribute to some personas if people think > > it's worth doing. > > I think it is. Ideally, we could go into real depth on the personas and > how they might interact with GNOME (and also how GNOME doesn't suit > them), and do a smashing presentation of the results at GUADEC or some > other conference, to generate a feedback cycle. Sounds all very good. Here are my suggestions for five personas: Jane, 19yo, college student. Tarzan, 30yo, no kids, running a small business Doris, 35yo, two kids, parttime job freelance design Cary, 45yo, "decision maker desktop" IT dept. of 200 employee company Miss Ellie, 60yo, 4 grand children These five personas should sum up to at least 80% of society. The have different needs and should be well definable. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Desktop personas (draft)
Le mardi 06 décembre 2005 à 21:04 -0300, Santiago Roza a écrit : > cool... could you throw it in the wiki so we can build on it? i'd do > it myself, but i don't think i should appear as the original author > :) The whole idea behind this little draft was to show that the often requested "data" is already there: simply go out and have a look how the people you know are using their computers. Look your friends, your co-workers, your relatives over the shoulder and ask them about their typical usage. Then burn a couple of liveCDs, boot them in their computers and try to convince them to install them at least as dual boot. Which arguments are more and which are less successful? Which arguments convince your parents and which your high school sister? Putting the idea on the wiki is like putting it in an ivory tower. Don't discuss it, don't talk about it - just go out, test your arguments, find new ones and come back and tell which ones work. Your local linux user group may be another good starting point. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Desktop personas (draft)
Le mardi 06 décembre 2005 à 18:08 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : > Hi, > > Murray Cumming wrote: > > I think both our development and marketing would be helped (to have > > organisational focus) by having Personas. A university was working on them > > a couple of years ago, but that effort seems to have failed. > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-December/msg00482.html > > So - who wants to take this on? (don't be shy) Just as a quick reply because it seems like a good way to structure marketing efforts: there are three groups of desktop personas: 1. private 2. business 3. public sector 1. private personas 1.1 Youngster - The youngster is roughly between 15 and 25 years old and still in the education system (school/college/university). The computer is more than a tool - it is a natural part of his/her life. On the desktop he uses a browser to surf the net (with the typical media plug-ins), email, instant messaging and an office suite (text, spreadsheet, presentation). He is open to blogging and may have a blog himself. VOIP will save him money on long distance calls. He typically owns an mp3 player, a digital camera and a mobile phone and wants to connect them to his computer. He will do basic image manipulation and likes to manage his collection of photos and videos. He does not care about free because his software is already "free" - he has enough friends who "give" it to him. Important is that his computer just works. Bluescreens, long texts vanishing suddenly into nirvana, reinstalls, viruses and spyware drive him nuts. He will like to plug-in a USB printer or a scanner and it just works. He does not care about backups but will be more than happy to figure out that somebody else did for him when it becomes necessary. Can be reached on open days / events and simply next door 1.2 Literate Knows how to use a computer. Uses internet and an office suite. Needs less than the youngster but will be happy to make his tax declaration at the end of the year. Probably has some kids and likes kids software too. Can be reached on open days / events and simply next door 1.3 Illiterate -- Grew up with the mechanical typewriter. Still likes it simplicity - put paper in, type, finished. Falls therefore immediately in love with the google homepage. Prefers abiword over openoffice and still thinks it has way to many menues, buttons and options. Uses computer to write and print texts, write emails and surf the internet. Would be very happy to manage his photos from his digital camera and do basic image operations like contrast, brightness, resize, crop. Can be reached on open days / events and simply next door 2. business persona == 2.1 small business - free appeals to him - office suite, email, browser - hates viruses and spyware - likes vino if a knowledgable person sits on the other end - simply does not know what OSS can do for him - feels good to hear about success stories - can be reached on open days / events and simply next door 2.2 medium business 2.3 corporate [novell, redhat, ibm, canonical and others care about them] 3. public sector persona = - schools, colleges/universities, administration - free appeals to them (both beer and freedom) - no viruses appeals to them - feels good to hear about success stories - can be reached on open days / events, direct contact Well, one can write way more, but that is what quickly comes out of my fingers. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 2.12 Live CD contains beta packages + suggestion
On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 19:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >Currently it is based on ubuntu and ubuntu releases one month later thus > >their CD is during the release of GNOME still under heavy development. > >I'm investigating a bit into the direction of completly building the CD > >instead of remastering the ubuntu one. But I'm not sure if that isn't > >simply overkill. Building liveCDs from bottom up is kind of voodoo > >magic ;) > > > > > If you mean building it entirely from scratch rather basing it on a > distribution, then yes otherwise there are several nifty tools that > makes this process pretty easy to do. I guess that's why Fedora is still working on it? ;) Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 2.12 Live CD contains beta packages + suggestion
On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 14:31 +0200, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: > Op Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:27:50 +0200, schreef Jaap Haitsma: > > > some are heavily patched with features (E.g. the "Add To Panel" dialog) > > which are not present in stock gnome. > > I already suggested to revert that customization to the default in a > mail to Marcus, not in the least because the dialog you mention is not > translated (at least in Dutch it isn't), and GNOME translations are at 100%. Let's keep in mind here that this is only the second iteration of the GNOME liveCDs. We are still collecting experience here. Currently it is based on ubuntu and ubuntu releases one month later thus their CD is during the release of GNOME still under heavy development. I'm investigating a bit into the direction of completly building the CD instead of remastering the ubuntu one. But I'm not sure if that isn't simply overkill. Building liveCDs from bottom up is kind of voodoo magic ;) As of now we have something that gets us 95% down the way and finally it depends on the distributions to get GNOME on the harddisks. And all of them apply their own customizations. But what is really lacking here are beta testers. I hope that till the next release we will have both - the infrastructure needed for testing *and* enough testers. With that we shall be able to get much more i18n and better conformity with GNOME. Whoever wants to become a beta tester please write me an email with a subject line kind of "me, me, me, me, me" :-))) And you need _time_. Time to download and time to run every single program from the menus. Every single development step results in two hours testing. Really, I'm not joking here. However any feedback is valuable :^) Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME liveCD 2.12 help needed
On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 04:33 +0200, Roy Jacobusse wrote: > I have been using the scripts from the livecd-project cvs to build a > localized dutch version for the GNOME-NL people could you forward me your dutch isolinux.txt please? > I just gave the Gnome 2.12 LiveCD a spin, > some things caught my attention: > > The theme manager windows says the theme used is a custom theme, but > isn't it supposed to be clearlooks? The theme now used differs from > Clearlooks on a few points, is this intentional? It is clearlooks except the windows border which seems to be broken on the breezy cd. > Also, what am I supposed to do with both .xml files that show up on > the desktop? They're obviously supposed to be "read me first!" type of > documents, but what do I use to view them with? Epiphany, who is > standard associated with .xml shows me raw xml, wich isn't a pleasant > read. the .xml should be handled by yelp. However Luis is changing them into html. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME liveCD 2.12 help needed
The liveCD is up for testing, please give it a ride/thorough test and post your feedback to the list :-) Download it here: http://www.gnoppix.org/download/gnome-livecd-2.12-i386-en-1.iso And a quick translation is needed - ASCII only. If that makes no sense in some languages we should leave it in english. -8<-- To start the live CD just press ENTER. In case that the boot process is not successful you can get further advice by pressing [F1] -8<-- en, fr and de are already there. We urgently need es, br and it. All other languages welcome - but no promise that we get liveCDs in every language this time. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: crappy first cut at 2.11.92-ish CD
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 06:42 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > Some known issues, not all of which have known solutions ATM: > * Luis is a silly person and has not contacted Marcus > lately. Hope to fix this tonight as well. :( Luis might have saved himself some work :-P > * totem can't launch the music and video files for some reason. some reason is a default video sink set to Xv. Autodetect seems to work fine. No Xv works too. > * no language CDs yet, nor have I publicized how to do that. There was a request from a french Linux magazine to get one for there next issue. I have put considerable time into getting a 2.11 liveCD into an overall usable state and fully translated to french (as far as GNOME is translated). Lots of fine tuning by hand. If you are francophone, you can get it here: http://project77.info/gnome-livecd-2.12-i386-fr-4.iso 58496 Bytes md5sum: http://project77.info/gnome-livecd-2.12-i386-fr-4.iso.md5sum md5sum -cv gnome-livecd-2.12-i386-fr-4.iso.md5sum And it includes the simple menu editor. > * screensaver does not point at the right files. [gnome-screensaver, > please do a release so seb can package it! please! :) and gscreensaver locks the screen till eternity :( Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 18:13 +0200, Арангел Ангов wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone tried to make a liveCD using a daily breezy build? Yes :) > > I downloaded the one from yesterday, added thunderbird and firefox for > windows in the winprogs dir and changed all the splash screens and > background and stuff. The CD builds and I can boot it but the problem is > that when It's loading afterwards It stops while configuring the X > server and cannot continue further. I guess this is because the X was > broken in the breezy .iso I got. You can simply check on this by burning the unchanged iso on a CD and testing that. I have used an iso from the 14/08 and that works fine. May be a problem with your hardware or your hardware is not correctly detected. > > Another thing, I've translated all the files in the /locale dir using > Gedit and saved them using UTF-8 encoding. When the CD boots all I see > are a bunch of hieroglyphs. The Live CD should be in Macedonian, so the > characters are cyrillic. I can save these files with iso-8859-5 but not > sure If that would change anything. The bootloader is running on a plain console and for historical reasons there are only american characters (aka ASCII :) available. Only the framebuffer can display utf-8 but is not started before the kernel boots. You may bug the GRUB people about this. The reason for not having a framebuffer from the start is robustness: the console always works. I wonder how MS is handling that. For your case that means to rewrite the bootloader help texts in ASCII. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 13:58 +0200, Christian Meyer wrote: > Hi, > > I just want to throw in something: [...] Christian, development here has been done in an open way since months and everbody is invited to participate. But you are right: it would definitly make sense to stop the parallel efforts on the german gnome-de-members list and continue here where everybody can gain on it. And it would make sense to contribute to live.gnome.org instead of having parallel (english) pages on gnome-de.org. Danke :) Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On 7/26/05, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/25/05, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey, have I lately talked about KLA? :) Did I mention that they are > > spreading out 50.000 copies to schools in France? They are two and a > > half part time developers. There are no timely security updates. > > I'd be embarassed if I were them, if what you say is true, and I would > be absolutely horrified if GNOME did the same. We have a reputation of > quality, and consciously attaching our name to an OS that we don't > intend to support well (in all meanings of that word) is embarassing. Yes and no. GNOME can't do it because they are playing in a different league. But it is worth to look for a way to get onto the harddisk once the CD is in the drive. > > > My guess is that the average hackers wants as many people to use his > > software as possible. That is kind of applause for the artist :) > > GNOME does not need to become a distribution by itself it simply can > > plug to something existing. > > I'd be fairly happy if we can figure out a way such that an installed > liveCD 'becomes' an Ubuntu install with very slight default changes at > the first update. That's actually tricky ATM, because we remove many > default Ubuntu packages that are wasteful, which means that Ubuntu > might not consider such an install an 'Ubuntu' install, and be > reluctant to support it. I think it would be surprising if nobody would like to benefit from GNOMEs marketing efforts. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On 7/26/05, Corey Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow, that was a lot of anger. *smile* > I am not advocating that gnome stop marketing itself. I am merely > saying that once you start installing something on a machine, you have > to support it. And no, gnomesupport is not the kind of support I am > talking about. I am talking about security patches and similar non-fun > stuff. Hey, have I lately talked about KLA? :) Did I mention that they are spreading out 50.000 copies to schools in France? They are two and a half part time developers. There are no timely security updates. And look how well Microsoft supports its users with spyware infected computers. The only software on a desktop system that needs updates is the web browser. No, no, no :o) I don't understand marketing that gives away lots of its possible effect for being holier than the pope :^) > > If Gnome wants to go this path and become a distribution in and of > itself, that is fine, but I doubt that that is what your average gnome > hacker wants. My guess is that the average hackers wants as many people to use his software as possible. That is kind of applause for the artist :) GNOME does not need to become a distribution by itself it simply can plug to something existing. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On 7/25/05, Corey Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The idea of an installable live cd is a great one, until you realize > the implications. > > The basically makes Gnome a distribution, which does the following bad things: > > 1. Gnome does not have the support structure to support average users, www.gnomesupport.org > nor should it gain one. Then what are communities good for? People love to support each other. What the fsck do you think Microsoft is making its money with? It is tens of millions of people who do unpaid support by helping out their parents, grandparents, relatives and friends. A simple example: how many people are really able to install a wlan at home? My guess is only 10% of those who have one installed. And the communities are one of the greatest strengths of open source. Tell me one good reason why not to build on it. > That is the job of Novell, RH, Ubuntu, etc. and Microsoft? By the way; why has Canonical kicked out support to Ubuntu instead of doing it under its own name? Simply because that is not managable for a company. Have you ever bought a SuSE and called their support? They are callcenter loonies having no clue and giving you circular answers. Example: the colored side of the DVD must be upside. > 2. You further divide up the mindshare, but directly competeing with > the above mentioned distros Consequently thinking your reasoning to the end means that GNOME should disappear from public to avoid "dividing mindshare". > So lets leave the live cd as a nice test bed Yes, and lets rename the marketing list into anti-marketing list. |-( Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On 7/25/05, Simos Xenitellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just like Ubuntu, they send you by post two CDs, an install CD and a > LiveCD. They are going to change that with the next release. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
Hi Murray, > The GNOME LiveCDs are for marketing, and testing, not for installing or > otherwise messing with your system. do you really mean that installing GNOME is "messing with someones system"? Since quite some time I thought that this is the coolest thing that can happen to a computer... Could you explain to me what "marketing" means? I always thought its purpose is to get stuff out to *users*, i.e. getting people to _use_ something and not only to _watch_ at it but I seem to be absolutly mistaken about that :( Holy crap! :-) Geez: Bill, Steve, Scott and SADLBF (SFADLB,SBDALF?) would still be sitting in their respective garages and probably repairing bicycles nowadays had they been that chicken hearted ;-) LiveCDs are very important and they must be localized and installable. Okay, a last time how I got here: I'm living in France being german and my local linux user group features a french localized knoppix which is called KLA. I'm quite sure you never heard about it before but it is a huge success in France and Canada and I read everyday about new users on the lug mailing list. It has even been distributed with the french red-hat magazine and is now being distributed by the french government in the region of Auvergne at 50.000 copies to all schools. KLA has four selling points: it is french, it is a liveCD, it is installable and it has french support. And I searched for something similar with GNOME but it didn't exist. Once again: simply make the next official GNOME liveCD defaulting to chinese. You think I'm nuts? You are right! and right now you do understand that five billion people on earth think that *you* are nuts too forcing them into english (and english help pages and an english keyboard layout for the command line switch to any other language) Thanks for reading ;-) I'm open for any flame, I will read them all and then properly file them and then at new years eve I'll delete them alltogether 8-) Marcus P.S: I have been answering here to Murrays posting but it is more a reply to the list - I highly respect Murray. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:45 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > Maybe I am wrong, my view is that we (GNOME Marketing) want to get a > LiveCD ISO image out to the masses > that support both English and other languages. We (GNOME Marketing) are > flexible with how it is done, we would > like it done in a comfortable way. In fact I'm convinced now that the main GNOME liveCD should be in russian. People will like to be greeted in russian and then try to find their way through russian help pages to figure out what magic words will let them switch to their preferred language. Special fun will be to figure out where a slash is on a russian keyboard. They will like it :) I'm repeating myself here and I will do it again: one liveCD for one language. For the many people english is what russian is to most or all the readers of this list. All computers start up with a us keyboard layout. Adding a command line switch is a pain when being on another keyboard. Another advantage of one-language CDs is that this frees lots of space for marketing material. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:33 +0200, Andreas Mueller wrote: > I am surprised that there is ZERO communication. Hi Andreas, googling for "gnome livecd" gives as first hit: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeLiveCd Additionally it has even been featured on planet.gnome.org and Luis Villa is quite talkative and has a large audience. And in the last days there has even been on the front page of www.gnome.org a link straight to the gnome marketing efforts with a link to the live cd's. See too: http://torrent.gnome.org/ > We're ( Gnome e.V. and > some other distro's working ATM on a 2.11.5 ) I posted the master > roadmap to the gnome-ev maillinglist. I couldn't find any gnome-ev mailing list and neither did google help me :( Do you have a URL pointing to it? As stated on the german gnome website ( http://www.gnome-ev.de/index.php/GNOME_LiveCD ): "I would prefer this work/documentation to be done as part of the regular GNOME and Ubuntu LiveCD projects, unless there is some reason not to cooperate. MurrayCumming." And Murray had contacted me before LinuxTag but then decided to go for Ubuntu. Thus he definitly knows. > In short, it will be a WEB-GUI > where user can click _and_ customize his CD himself in a very very easy > way ... I think it is overkill to rewrite the cloop tools. Currently they do everything in RAM and thus you need for everybody using a web interface 700MB of free memory. Plus: on an AMD-XP2600 it takes 30 minutes to generate a new CD. I guess you have found the ultimate way to slashdot even the top500 super computers ;-) Next problem you run into is the i18n. It works easy with the main languages but there are lots of caveats with less widespread languages. However feel free to use what is already there. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 00:22 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > > 1. download and unpack http://project77.info/gnomelive/liveCD-0.2.tgz > > grabbing now. Mind if I commit the stuff to CVS once I've reviewed? Do as you like. It comes at the classical os license: you can do whatever pleases you but you are quite certainly out for catching a cold when using it :) However it still needs some serious work to make it modular, better customisable and fool-proof. > > The scripts are simply remastering the hoary liveCD. > > Presumably fairly easy to point at the breezy stuff as well? In general it is not difficult to get it adapted to any liveCD that is based on GNOME and Debian. All the iso's consist of two parts: some basic stuff to boot the computer and a compressed file system. And remastering them means just substituting parts of that. > > I still think it would be cool for the next GNOME release to have a > > couple dozen localized liveCDs (naturally based on 2.12 and with install > > option). > > I'm still not excited by the install option, because I don't want to > do the support, Well, let other people do it :) - maybe gnomesupport.org... You are the first marketing person I know who is afraid that people actually are going to use the marketed product... :^) > but otherwise, yes, I agree completely that we should > do a liveCD basically for each 90+% language that we have. Non french speaking GNOMERers have quite likely not heard of KLA which is a fully french localised liveCD based on Knoppix. And yet they got 50.000 copies of that out into the schools in Auvergne[1]. Customisation and localisation really matter! And hey - GNOME is still the easier to use alternative. > > Luis (hoping to push out a 2.11 liveCD at some point in the next few > days, we'll see) gnoppix.org claims to already have done that and works as a drop in replacement for the hoary iso. You may have a look into that. Marcus [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auvergne_%28r%C3%A9gion%29 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Create your own customised GNOME liveCD
Hi, creating a customized GNOME liveCD yourself is easy and takes just a few minutes of time: It involves three simple steps: 1. download and unpack http://project77.info/gnomelive/liveCD-0.2.tgz 2. ./make_livecd.sh en en_US 3. burn the resulting .iso onto a CD-ROM and enjoy! You can customise in an effortless way: * the default language * background images (boot splash, gnome splash, desktop) * add sample files to the Desktop * add and remove packages The scripts are simply remastering the hoary liveCD. The idea behind having customised liveCDs is to give non-english speakers easy access to GNOME: simply putting it into the drive and hitting enter. The CD may start up in any language supported by the debian installer and GNOME. Additionally it gives everybody the opportunity to make a liveCD with ones favourite applications, i.e. rescue tools etc. I still think it would be cool for the next GNOME release to have a couple dozen localized liveCDs (naturally based on 2.12 and with install option). Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Nokia out to use GNOME
Nokia today launched a new plattform for there next mobile devices. From the website: Maemo technical overview Some of the key decisions made during the development of the Nokia 770 product are today reflected in the maemo developement platform and its features. Most noteworthy is the use of GNOME technologies as the base for the device user interface. The user interface is further enhanced and combined to include Nokiaʼs long-term experience with end user user interface interaction and mobile user interface design. more on: http://www.maemo.org/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: italian and spanish (v2) live CD now available
On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 10:31 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > Should probably forward that to gnome-i18n@gnome.org if you want > really overwhelming support :) I'm wouldn't be scared of that ;) However let's wait with that until we have everything in cvs and some more languages out. Currently there are three more CDs in the making and more people getting involved. Once we are done with that we are ready to climb the next mountain :) Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
italian and spanish (v2) live CD now available
Some more live CDs: The italian and spanish (v2) versions of the live CD are now available, as usual under: http://project77.info/gnomelive/ Luis is putting them up to the new all shiny http://torrent.gnome.org/ soon. Works like a charm! If you would like to see your language added go to: http://project77.info/gnomelive/boottext/ Most important are isolinux.txt and f1.txt. It wont take more than five minutes to translate these. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
"Start here" document for the live CDs
We should have kind of a "start here" document for the desktop which we can push over to the translation teams. My suggestions (to be discussed/extended) format: html content: * short marketing text: about gnome - free, easy, powerful, efficent etc. etc. * where to get further info / online help, whom to contact * success stories (100.000 desktops by spanish administration, 500.000 by brasilian administration) * some words about the shiniest apps (gimp, inkscape, abiword, gnumeric come to my mind) Please have a look what is already available on the english live CD (Luis: could you give a pointer for an online source outside the CD?) If you have some time then please get to your keyboard and come up with something and post it here to the list. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
more gnome liveCDs: now german and spanish
Gnome-industries proudly presents: ;-) The GNOME liveCD in * german and * spanish Get them now until there aren't any left :o) A bit more seriously: download them and play around with them. They are quite polished already but there are certainly things left to optimize. I intend to produce some more over the weekend. Any special language wishes here on the list? What about italian and portuguese/brazilian? To be found here: http://project77.info/gnomelive/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: evangelist users- the other key note from LCA marketing BOF
On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 22:15 +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: > Maybe you could move the README into the wiki so it could be polished? Basically it says: * the question whether or not to include a new feature isn't "Why not" but "Why? Is it really necessary to have that?" * instead of giving the user the choice between six options it is better to have directly a reasonable default. * don't bother the user with stuff he doesn't care for * kiss - keep it simple stupid some quotes (keep in mind that's all not intended to be marketing speak): - Boring window manager for the adult in you. Many window managers are like Marshmallow Froot Loops; Metacity is like Cheerios. - Does not expose the concept of "window manager" to the user. Some of the features in the GNOME control panel and other parts of the desktop happen to be implemented in metacity, such as changing your window border theme, or changing your window navigation shortcuts, but the user doesn't need to know this. Q: Will you add my feature? A: If it makes sense to turn on unconditionally, or is genuinely a harmless preference that I would not be embarrassed to put in a simple, uncluttered, user-friendly configuration dialog. If the only rationale for your feature is that other window managers have it, or that you are personally used to it, or something like that, then I will not be impressed. Metacity is firmly in the "choose good defaults" camp rather than the "offer 6 equally broken ways to do it, and let the user pick one" camp. This is part of a "no crackrock" policy, despite some exceptions I'm mildly embarrassed about. For example, multiple workspaces probably constitute crackrock, they confuse most users and really are not that useful if you have a decent tasklist and so on. But I am too used to them to turn them off. Or alternatively iconification/tasklist is crack, and workspaces/pager are good. But having both is certainly a bit wrong. Sloppy focus is probably crackrock too. But don't think unlimited crack is OK just because I slipped up a little. No slippery slope here. Q: Why no XYZ? A: You are probably getting the idea by now - check rationales.txt, query/search bugzilla, and read http://pobox.com/~hp/features.html and http://pobox.com/~hp/free-software-ui.html Then sit down and answer the question for yourself. Is the feature good? What's the rationale for it? Answer "why" not just "why not." Justify in terms of users as a whole, not just users like yourself. How else can you solve the same problem? etc. If that leads you to a strong opinion, then please, post the rationale for discussion to an appropriate bugzilla bug, or to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please don't just "me too!" on bugzilla bugs, please don't think flames will get you anywhere, and please don't repeat rationale that's already been offered. Q: How about adding viewports in addition to workspaces? A: I could conceivably be convinced to use viewports _instead_ of workspaces, though currently I'm not thinking that. But I don't think it makes any sense to have both; it's just confusing. They are functionally equivalent. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: evangelist users- the other key note from LCA marketing BOF
On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 15:37 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > > Gnome does not really promote its ease of use. > releases), people's jaws drop, as you saw when you pointed out n-c-b. "jaws drop" - that's absolutly exactly what it was (that person had kicked several hundred pictures he needed for an insurance claim into nirvana without having a backup). > We should be doing more, though I'm not sure how to structure the > website and other materials to do that better. I had a look into apple/osx and believe it is close to perfect. > >Havoc's README that comes > > Which part? The FAQ section. > This is part of why I like the 'heart of the desktop' theme; we get to > take credit for things like gimp, inkscape, etc. I really like the 'heart of the desktop' :) > * work with the Ubuntu folks to make the first truly accessible Linux liveCD What do you mean with "truly accessible"? > * work with the monoppix folks (or others) to make the best mono liveCD In a more general way: target audience developers = developer show case (ide etc.) and some nice examples? Sounds good. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: more random brainstorming
On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 09:33 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > (since we were 'chosen' by OOo/firefox/eclipse/etc.); This connection is a really good point which should be communicated more thoroughly in the press releases. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: evangelist users- the other key note from LCA marketing BOF
Some major flaws in current gnome marketing: Gnome does not really promote its ease of use. Havoc's README that comes with the metacity package simply needs to be polished up into a press-printable form (shorter, less rant, less technical). nautilus-cd-burner is hidden away as it obviously can't compete with k3b but in fact it's the other way round: k3b can't compete with nautilus-cd-burner in terms of ease of use. It's just three weeks ago that I demonstrated this fact to somebody and he was completly stunned how simple it is to make backups of his data simply by drag and drop. KDE embraces Gnome apps where there is no equivalent (gimp,inkscape) as well as technology (gnome-volume-manager). These apps are often not perceived as Gnome apps from KDE users. So one just needs to tell them ;-) Knoppix was one of the major precursors for KDE and there is still no real competition. It was spread out hundreds of thousands of copies with PC-Magazines and the like, being the first contact with linux for many people. Imho konppix is the absolut no.1 hit in KDE marketing. There are even books now about knoppix. The Gnome website is - what? It exists. But from a marketing point of view it is not much. The navigation is sub optimal. And the layout is sub optimal. Some good information is now on gnomefiles but unless you know what you are looking for it is far from perfect. On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 08:47 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > A dump of my notes (slightly expanded) from the discussion on > 'Evangelist Users' at the LCA marketing BOF. In a nutshell, the > discussion was about users who go out and evangelize GNOME- how have > firefox/KDE been so succesful at this, why are we not doing so hot, > how can we (should we?) etc. My notes, with my editorial comments as > Ed.: > > MozillaOrg does a good job of this, see spreadfirefox.com > > jeff: 'hemorrhaging users' because we haven't reached out to the early > adopters, etc.- not leveraging community to do our marketing for us. > (Ed.: I'm not sure we're actually hemorrhaghing users, as we have no > actual numbers on this, but we're certainly not leveraging the users > we have for this.) > > mozilla used to have an active HTML correctness evangelism team, do we > need a 'media correctness team' to go out to bad (FUD-y?) > articles/media and show them how great gnome is/or research why they > didn't like it? > > need to hype our user forums more? how did UbuntuCom get such great, > friendly forum? > > how do we make gnome 1337 without compromising our 'core values'? > (flip side: os/x is not particularly 1337, or not compromised, but > obviously it gets evangelized- partially because of the > depth/flexibility- easy for newbies, powerful for experts) > > alternately: how do we make gnome more fun? maybe better question than > making ourselves more 1337? > > get a superstar? we as developers need to be more public, more > unabashed about our endorsements- havoc, miguel? what about kernel > people? others? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: more random brainstorming
On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 12:16 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > > My suggestion is: > > > > Gnome - easy and efficent > > I like it. It doesn't say *what* GNOME is, but I don't think that we > really need to in a slogan. It is not really a slogan but more a message that I had previously used to promote Gnome. That's why I had put it too on the bootsplash and the desktop background of the french liveCD. Imho most people can't distinguish between OS and desktop. Thus for marketing purposes one can freely choose some positive attributes and stay away from technology. > > Just compare the overly cluttered menues of ... to Gnome. The ease of > > > a heavy ... dominance in my local linux user group. > > Aren't we allowed to say KDE on the list? :) Well - we are :) but "overly cluttered" is not really a friendly description and I didn't want to provoke any KDE-person probably lurking on the list :o) I have seen too many of these silly Gnome/KDE flame wars and didn't want to be a target... Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: more random brainstorming
My suggestion is: Gnome - easy and efficent because that is exactly Gnome's selling point and one needs to repeat it over and over again :-) Just compare the overly cluttered menues of ... to Gnome. The ease of use of nautilus-cd-burner to k3b. Havoc Pennigton comes to my mind who has been preaching for ages to simplify things. IMHO the majority of computer users don't want to fiddle around with tenth of options. They simply want to get things done and apart from that they don't care. For most non-computer people I know that is exactly what they want: "easy and efficent" - and so far that is my successful strategy against a heavy ... dominance in my local linux user group. Just my two cents. Marcus On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 17:35 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > More slogan braindumping: > > "GNOME: The Heart Of the Linux Desktop" > > * puts us in the center of the greater desktop space (firefox, ooo, > vmware, adobe, etc.) > * identifies as clearly as one can in a few words where we are (linux desktop) > > Anyway, thinking aloud- > Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Gnome live cd: french version
Hi, I have remastered the gnome live cd into a french version. Screenshots and download here: http://project77.info/gnomelive/ I intend to do a german version as well and maybe some others too. However the question is where the images can be hosted (even unofficial testing versions) as it only makes sense to produce them if somebody else can download and use them :o) Comments? Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
