Re: marketing meeting minutes

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

yep I sent a correction mail. Sorry about that.

sri


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Fabiana Simões wrote:

>  Hi Sri,
>
> Thanks for sending those out. The actual URL, though, is this one:
>
> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/09APR2013
>
> Fabiana
>
>
> On 04/09/2013 06:36 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>
> Here are the minutes for today's marketing meeting.  Thanks to Fabiana for
> doing the minutes!
>
> https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/Marketing2013
>
>
>
>
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Re: marketing meeting minutes

[Fabiana Simões]

Hi Sri,

Thanks for sending those out. The actual URL, though, is this one:

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/09APR2013

Fabiana

On 04/09/2013 06:36 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
Here are the minutes for today's marketing meeting.  Thanks to Fabiana 
for doing the minutes!


https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/Marketing2013




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marketing meeting minutes

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

Here are the minutes for today's marketing meeting.  Thanks to Fabiana for
doing the minutes!

https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/Marketing2013
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Re: Jan 22 Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Andreas Nilsson]

On 2013-01-23 12:36, Tobias Mueller wrote:
https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/flyers/privacy-flyer.png 


Can you update the PDF in that repository?
Otherwise I will use the current one on 
https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/flyers/privacy-flyer.pdf
 and try to print it.
Bonuspoints if you can provide me a PDF that I can just hand to my DIN A4 
printer.

Here you go!
https://github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/raw/master/flyers/privacy-flyer-2onA4.pdf


Venue for Party:

We are going back to the original venue - La Bécasse - Fred Peters and
Guillaume Desmottes are the organizer.


I would like to have something printed out for that and hang it i.e. on
the wall behind our booth. I'll try to create something but as I am
artistically challenged, I'd appreciate if someone could mash something
together. Maybe even something machine readable like a barcode to help
the people finding it.
I can help with this. Ping me on IRC when you're around and we can try 
and sort something out.

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Re: Jan 22 Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Tobias Mueller]

Bonjour,

thanks for the minutes! Really handy.

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:15:13PM -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> Propaganda:
> 
> *Andreas has a t-shirt and flyer on our privacy campaign are ready for
> FOSDEM.
> https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/t-shirts/fosdem2013.png
> 
Oh, cool.
Anything I can help with? I.e. providing an address to send the shirts to.
For how much are we going to sell these? It's been 15 EUR fuer non-member and 
10 EUR for members IIRC. I inted to print a few sheets with the T-Shirt price.

> 
> https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/flyers/privacy-flyer.png
> 
Can you update the PDF in that repository?
Otherwise I will use the current one on 
https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/flyers/privacy-flyer.pdf
 and try to print it.
Bonuspoints if you can provide me a PDF that I can just hand to my DIN A4 
printer.

> Venue for Party:
> 
> We are going back to the original venue - La Bécasse - Fred Peters and
> Guillaume Desmottes are the organizer.
> 
I would like to have something printed out for that and hang it i.e. on 
the wall behind our booth. I'll try to create something but as I am 
artistically challenged, I'd appreciate if someone could mash something 
together. Maybe even something machine readable like a barcode to help 
the people finding it.

> Activities at the booth:
> 
> Possible entertainment that involves user participation at the booth?
> * Nerf basketball
> * Love/Hate wall - put postits on what people like about GNOME and what you
> don't.
> 
Hm. I like the wall as a means for the users to provide feedback. So 
far, we didn't really do anything with the wall though so it's actively lying 
to 
the people using the wall.
But has anyone committed to managing the wall? I plan to buy some duck 
tape, rope and other consumables, so I can probably get some sticky 
notes, too. But we would still need smth "wally" to stick the notes on.

Cheers,
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Jan 22 Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

Attendees:  Sri, Allan, Karen, Emily, Fabiana, Joseph, Andreas, Flavia

 Topics:

 * Fosdem

 Booth staffing:
 *  +1 to Emily, who committed to spending time at the booth.
https://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/FOSDEM/2013/Stand
#attendees 
We have some holes in coverage so we should try to look for opportunities
to fill the hole. ACTION: Karen will email the foundations list.

Propaganda:

*Andreas has a t-shirt and flyer on our privacy campaign are ready for
FOSDEM.
https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/t-shirts/fosdem2013.png

Final work should be done by tomorrow.  Our time is growing short in order
to put in the order.

https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/flyers/privacy-flyer.png

Flier is complete, and all attendees have approved the design and text.

Venue for Party:

We are going back to the original venue - La Bécasse - Fred Peters and
Guillaume Desmottes are the organizer.

Activities at the booth:

Possible entertainment that involves user participation at the booth?
* Nerf basketball
* Love/Hate wall - put postits on what people like about GNOME and what you
don't.

* Friends of GNOME

* Possible interviews that would support the FoG.
* Putting together our own privacy policy and then advertising it.  Every
once in awhile report on it.  Communicate this is what we want to be, even
though we are not there yet.  Reflect some of our current practices and as
the technical part improves we can elaborate on it.

Biggest concern is are we doing enough for the people who signed up that
they feel good about contributing to GNOME.  The impression right now is
that we are not doign a great job of that right now.  There is some
agreement with that.  We are trying to improve, Tobias has sent thank you
cards to people who have contributed.  We are hoping that the contractor
that we are working with will alleviate this issue.  Nobody should be
dropped and not get the t-shirt or not get acknowledged when they
contributed money.

How should we be addressing?  Have a newsletter?  How often?  Quarterly?
Monthly.  Allan doesn't think it has to be regular, it could be done at
certain points of time or interest.  We can time it with a hackfest and put
out a comment where we thank contributors for making this happen so that
they know what events they are funding.

ACTION: Allan and Karen will talk with Bastian and Matthias to see where we
are with the privacy controls.  Things like privacy mode in Web would be
great.

ACTION: Sri will try to find other people to help volunteer.

* Annual Report 2012

We really need to get going on the annual report.  Dave Neary is right that
we need to get the right people to write the right articles.  Last year was
tough because we relied on a committee of three.  (It did get done!)


https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2012-December/msg0.html

ACTION: Karen and Emily working on a wiki page to plan writing content.
Andreas is happy to contribute articles.  Having more people contribute the
easier this task will be to complete.

* Communication with the release team

They usually have meetings in IRC, but they are having a Face 2 Face
meeting at FOSDEM.  Would be great if someone could send the minutes from
that meeting to the marketing meeting.

We could also invite some of the release team members to marketing list?


* Follow up on action items from the last meeting

ACTION: Andreas to check with Alberto if Healtcheck can be done for all
modules.
ACTION Andreas to look into creating materials for FOSDEM  (DONE)
ACTION: Emily to post on the Forums (on going)
   * Going to post a call for help on the annual report.
ACTION: Karen will work on a general privacy statement from GNOME  (on
going)
ACTION: Andreas to look at design area of forums as well as re-doign their
theme
   * waiting on a proposal so that they have something to switch.
ACTION: Karen to setup regular call with release and marketing teams to
better coordinate messaging with releases  (cancelled - Allan was talking
to release team in particpating.. we should meet with them prior to any big
decisions)
ACTION: Karen will open up a dialogue for more formal communication between
release team and marketing team.
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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Karen Sandler]

On Fri, November 30, 2012 8:26 am, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:

 - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
 (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
 Privacy and Security.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
>>> view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
>>> but it will need more research before we can make a decision.
>>
>>
>> I assume everyone has heard about this by now?
>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/
>>
>> Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of
>> repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to
>> avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal
>> activity.
>>
>> I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of
>> personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge
>> opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are
>> thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group
>> effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law
>> enforcement,
>> with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.
>>
>> The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography.
>> We
>> cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell another
>> story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from predators on
>> the
>> internet with projects like ghostery and collusion:
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html
>>
>> Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla
>> and
>> EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet
>> Liberty?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>
> I'm with you 100% Dave! I would love to see us partner with Tor, EFF,
> Mozilla, etc on such a project to speak out and show how we are
> working to protect our and everyone elses' freedoms online. We could
> make the FoG Campaign about "Freedom & Privacy Online" which is what
> we are really talking about.

I'll reach out to EFF today - Tor works closely with them - to see if they
have anything in the works we can partner on!

karen

>
> The biggest 'disadvantage' to Tor as I understand it comes from the
> hit you take in overall network performance, which can be
> considerable, and is highly variable depending on the speeds you get
> through the nodes Tor chooses. If you get unlucky and hit a node run
> by somebody with a crappy connection like me, it can be considerable
> :) But sometimes the privacy it provides trumps the hit in speed you
> take - and for many people who are 'just surfing around' its not a big
> deal.
>
> HTH!
>
>
> Emily
>
>
>>
>>
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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[meg ford]

Hi,

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Emily Gonyer  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:
> >>>
> >>> - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
> >>> (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
> >>> Privacy and Security.
> >>
> >>
> >> I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
> >> view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
> >> but it will need more research before we can make a decision.
> >
> >
> > I assume everyone has heard about this by now?
> >
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/
> >
> > Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of
> > repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to
> > avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal
> activity.
> >
> > I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of
> > personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge
> > opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are
> > thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group
> > effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law
> enforcement,
> > with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.
> >
> > The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography.
> We
> > cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell another
> > story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from predators on
> the
> > internet with projects like ghostery and collusion:
> > http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html
> >
>

I think you need to be pretty careful about how you word these kinds of
statements. If you are trying to take on the task of countering a case that
includes such serious charges you really need to also partner with
organizations that have substantial credibility and are known for defending
people who are being wrongfully charged (the ACLU comes to mind, although
they are seen in some circles as being partisan). Otherwise you run the
risk of looking like an organization that defends freedom at all costs. I
don't think the EFF is well known enough to stand that test, at least in
the United States.

> Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla
> and
> > EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet
> > Liberty?
>

Meg Ford

> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave.
>
> I'm with you 100% Dave! I would love to see us partner with Tor, EFF,
> Mozilla, etc on such a project to speak out and show how we are
> working to protect our and everyone elses' freedoms online. We could
> make the FoG Campaign about "Freedom & Privacy Online" which is what
> we are really talking about.
>
> The biggest 'disadvantage' to Tor as I understand it comes from the
> hit you take in overall network performance, which can be
> considerable, and is highly variable depending on the speeds you get
> through the nodes Tor chooses. If you get unlucky and hit a node run
> by somebody with a crappy connection like me, it can be considerable
> :) But sometimes the privacy it provides trumps the hit in speed you
> take - and for many people who are 'just surfing around' its not a big
> deal.
>
> HTH!
>
>
> Emily
>
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave Neary, Lyon, France
> > Email: dne...@gnome.org
> > Jabber: nea...@gmail.com
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>
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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Emily Gonyer]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:
>>>
>>> - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
>>> (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
>>> Privacy and Security.
>>
>>
>> I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
>> view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
>> but it will need more research before we can make a decision.
>
>
> I assume everyone has heard about this by now?
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/
>
> Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of
> repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to
> avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal activity.
>
> I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of
> personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge
> opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are
> thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group
> effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law enforcement,
> with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.
>
> The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography. We
> cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell another
> story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from predators on the
> internet with projects like ghostery and collusion:
> http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html
>
> Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla and
> EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet
> Liberty?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.

I'm with you 100% Dave! I would love to see us partner with Tor, EFF,
Mozilla, etc on such a project to speak out and show how we are
working to protect our and everyone elses' freedoms online. We could
make the FoG Campaign about "Freedom & Privacy Online" which is what
we are really talking about.

The biggest 'disadvantage' to Tor as I understand it comes from the
hit you take in overall network performance, which can be
considerable, and is highly variable depending on the speeds you get
through the nodes Tor chooses. If you get unlucky and hit a node run
by somebody with a crappy connection like me, it can be considerable
:) But sometimes the privacy it provides trumps the hit in speed you
take - and for many people who are 'just surfing around' its not a big
deal.

HTH!


Emily


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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Dave Neary]

Hi,


On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:

- Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
(https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
Privacy and Security.


I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
but it will need more research before we can make a decision.


I assume everyone has heard about this by now? 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/


Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of 
repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to 
avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal activity.


I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of 
personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge 
opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are 
thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group 
effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law 
enforcement, with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.


The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography. 
We cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell 
another story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from 
predators on the internet with projects like ghostery and collusion: 
http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html


Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla 
and EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet 
Liberty?


Cheers,
Dave.


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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Allan Day]

Thanks for the minutes, Emily.

Emily Gonyer  wrote:
> Emily: Privacy/Security
> Pros: Buzz creation, something different and important to virtually everyone
> Cons: how to implement privacy and security in gnome design
...

I would much prefer that we focus on privacy and not security. Privacy
as a concept is something that people can relate to, and would be a
stronger campaign on its own, in my opinion.

> - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
> (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
> Privacy and Security.

I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
but it will need more research before we can make a decision.

Allan

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689339
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Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Emily Gonyer]

Hi all! We had a marketing meeting on a conference call today, with a
few also participating on IRC (mostly Xan, and Fabiana & Andreas
Nilson who had problems with connections -if I missed anyone sorry!!).
Deindre also participated - I think both on the phone & IRC though I'm
not 100% on that :) These are my notes/minutes from the meeting. If
anyone else has stuff to add please do so!

Introductions:
Sririam Ramkrishna
Karen Sandler
Emily Gonyer
Oliver Propst
Allan Day
Fabiana Simões
Seif Lotfy (mid meeting)

Friends of GNOME:

Olivier: Web/Webkit
Pros: Web is very important today, and our in-house browser could use
some love. Web applications are becoming more important, and making
people excited about us via a great in-house browser could be a boost.
Cons: Webkit2 features - relating to privacy/security how to tie into
a broader campaign? Difficultly getting our message across without a
lengthy period of figuring out our message.

Emily: Privacy/Security
Pros: Buzz creation, something different and important to virtually everyone
Cons: how to implement privacy and security in gnome design

Seif: Usability
Pros: user involvement, online buzz, we care about users.
Cons: it would be better to do at a later date for various reasons

- Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
(https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
Privacy and Security.

We're also hoping to have bi-weekly meetings going forward, as we all
thought this one went well.

Emily
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14Jan10 Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Paul Cutler]

Thank you to everyone who was able to make it to the Marketing meeting
this past Thursday.

I've published the meeting minutes at
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/14JAN2010Meeting.
If you have a chance to review, please let me know if there are
anyerrors or if I've missed anything.

I have a number of to-dos, so expect some more emails to the list in the
next couple of days.  :)

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