Re: GNOME Store - no products found.
On 08/22/2010 05:45 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 23:32 -0300, Valessio Brito wrote: Sorry, no products found. in http://www.zazzle.com/gnome I can help create some products? Thanks for letting us know - not sure where our products went, but we'll get if fixed! Something went totally wrong here, I can't get them to reappear. Looking into this. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store - no products found.
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 23:32 -0300, Valessio Brito wrote: Sorry, no products found. in http://www.zazzle.com/gnome I can help create some products? -- ://ValessioBrito.info Comunicação e Tecnologia call: +55 71 VALESSIO Valessio, Thanks for letting us know - not sure where our products went, but we'll get if fixed! Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
El mié, 28-04-2010 a las 13:00 +0200, Andre Klapper escribió: Of all the geeky shirts I have the Beagle one[1] has created by far the most feedback (people starting to talk to me, often immediately asking how they can buy one while having no idea that it's a software). My story is better. I once saw a Beagle logo t-shirt on sale in a random flea-style market, in a post of all kind of stamped t-shirts. Yeah. A C# indexer, on a t-shirt, next to AC-DC, Metallica and similar. Call that effective. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 10:11 +, Juanjo Marín wrote: --- El mar, 27/4/10, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org escribió: snip I miss a GNOME love t-shirt. It's a lovely design :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/behdad/2315763245/ Perhaps at some point we ought to advertise it in the banner space on gnome.org and/or Planet GNOME? Good idea !!! :) -- Juanjo We made a conscious decision *not* to sell the GNOME Love shirt as Friends of GNOME donors get that shirt after one year of monthly donations. Those who donate get the best shirt. :) Paul PS - It's April, my one year is up, I can't wait for my GNOME Love shirt. :) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: We made a conscious decision *not* to sell the GNOME Love shirt as Friends of GNOME donors get that shirt after one year of monthly donations. That's funny. I made a conscious decision when joining Friends of GNOME to opt-out of the t-shirt to save the foundation some money, and now I find I can't even buy it! :-P Sandy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Sandy Armstrong sanfordarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: We made a conscious decision *not* to sell the GNOME Love shirt as Friends of GNOME donors get that shirt after one year of monthly donations. That's funny. I made a conscious decision when joining Friends of GNOME to opt-out of the t-shirt to save the foundation some money, and now I find I can't even buy it! :-P Me too. And now I'm thinking it would be cool to have one! Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 06:48 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: I think we should wait until 100 or even 200. With 9 items, 27 sales just isn't enough. I think if we put a banner on gnome.org, we'd get there quickly. :) Stormy I agree its too early yet to make a determination. Plus, personally, when i went to the Store, I wasn't all that crazy about the selections especially with the price associated with it. But these banners and other forms of advertising the store should leverage some of the things Zazzle is offering. For example, right now they're having a 50% off shipping for Mother's Day sale. We should be promoting that and spreading the word. The one that I really liked and would have bought in an instant was the Freedom Lover t-shirt. But it apparently is only sold as a women's shirt. On another note, we should be spreading the word about the Amazon GNOME store too. I didn't realize until now that we had such a thing and I feel a bit chagrined as I've spent hundreds at Amazon in the last few months and it would have been nice to funnel a few of those dollars towards GNOME. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko susero...@bryen.com wrote: The one that I really liked and would have bought in an instant was the Freedom Lover t-shirt. But it apparently is only sold as a women's shirt. I'd like to second this. Is there any reason we can't offer each design in both men's and women's styles? Also a big fan of the Freedom Lover shirt. Sandy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 20:38 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 08:55 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko susero...@bryen.com wrote: The one that I really liked and would have bought in an instant was the Freedom Lover t-shirt. But it apparently is only sold as a women's shirt. I'd like to second this. Is there any reason we can't offer each design in both men's and women's styles? Also a big fan of the Freedom Lover shirt. Sandy This part of the Zazzle site isn't that intuitive but any of the designs can be bought on any kind of shirt. * Select the Freedom Lover Ladies shirt * Under Choose your style and color select from Men, Women, Kid, Baby or See All (I selected Men) * Now choose from all the different styles of shirts * Price will change depending on which shirt you choose * Purchase Paul Congratulations, you just made a sale! Although I think its kinda pricey for a t-shirt (Paid $32.95 plus shipping) so I hope a good portion of that goes to GNOME. Thanks for the steps. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: As we get more data, we should adjust what products we offer, removing the ones that aren't selling and trying new designs/products or ones similar to the ones that are. Definitely a good idea. On a point of principle, it will be good to keep a ladies' T up there (preference for Freedom Lover), but I'd definitely like us to start offering more non-apparel, or less traditional apparel, merchandise - the mugs sell well! If we must decide on a t-shirt design to drop (and we're not there yet), the House of Monkeys T would be my preference. Perhaps at some point we ought to advertise it in the banner space on gnome.org http://gnome.org and/or Planet GNOME? Or do as Mozilla did and the Linux Foundation do have it right there on the front page all the time? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
Am Mittwoch, den 28.04.2010, 11:02 +0200 schrieb Dave Neary: If we must decide on a t-shirt design to drop (and we're not there yet), the House of Monkeys T would be my preference. Heh. That's exactly the one that I have gotten the most positive comments (cute etc) and conversation starts (what is GNOME?) for. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.04.2010, 11:02 +0200 schrieb Dave Neary: If we must decide on a t-shirt design to drop (and we're not there yet), the House of Monkeys T would be my preference. Heh. That's exactly the one that I have gotten the most positive comments (cute etc) and conversation starts (what is GNOME?) for. andre Yep, it's an awesome design! Hylke -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
--- El mar, 27/4/10, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org escribió: De: Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org Asunto: GNOME Store Para: GNOME Marketing List marketing-list@gnome.org Fecha: martes, 27 de abril, 2010 20:48 Just an update on the GNOME store. In April (as of April 27th) we've sold 27 items and made $69.50. The breakdown is like this: 235-23954830-4593848 shirt Traditional GNOME Logo T-Shirt 7 $16.70 235-42366138-1377863 shirt GNOME Horizontal Logo 6 $17.18 168-34141257-0319979 mug GNOME Thermal Mug 5 $10.08 168-43100533-9710002 mug GNOME Love Mug 4 $6.40 235-62300562-3680639 shirt House of Monkeys 2 $5.60 235-57947453-8060939 shirt GNOME Freedom Lover Ladies T-S... 2 $4.86 235-62300562-3680639 shirt House of Monkeys 2 $5.93** 235-21967977-1856616 shirt GNOME Rocks T-Shirt 1 $2.80 235-33384621-4944928 shirt
Re: GNOME Store
Hi, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.04.2010, 11:02 +0200 schrieb Dave Neary: If we must decide on a t-shirt design to drop (and we're not there yet), the House of Monkeys T would be my preference. Heh. That's exactly the one that I have gotten the most positive comments (cute etc) and conversation starts (what is GNOME?) for. Really? For me, it's got low brand value, it's a bit confusing, and the whole monkeys in-joke is distracting. I'm not a huge fan of the design, and the t-shirt colours aren't great (but of wourse that's personal preference). Plus, it's the one that's selling the worst :) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
Heja, Am Mittwoch, den 28.04.2010, 12:18 +0200 schrieb Dave Neary: Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.04.2010, 11:02 +0200 schrieb Dave Neary: If we must decide on a t-shirt design to drop (and we're not there yet), the House of Monkeys T would be my preference. Heh. That's exactly the one that I have gotten the most positive comments (cute etc) and conversation starts (what is GNOME?) for. Really? For me, it's got low brand value, it's a bit confusing, and the whole monkeys in-joke is distracting. I'm not a huge fan of the design, and the t-shirt colours aren't great (but of wourse that's personal preference). Interesting point. I totally agree that the brand value is stronger in other designs. However having just the GNOME logo on a shirt looks like maybe just another clothing brand I don't know about yet to outsiders without providing much values. My naive idea: If the House of Monkeys shirt is considered cute, the first impression of people not knowing GNOME is that GNOME is also something cute. Probably it really depends on who you talk to. I mostly refered to people not into computers when I go out in the evening. Of all the geeky shirts I have the Beagle one[1] has created by far the most feedback (people starting to talk to me, often immediately asking how they can buy one while having no idea that it's a software). andre [1] http://beagle-project.org/skins/beagle/beagle-logo.png -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On 04/28/2010 12:18 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.04.2010, 11:02 +0200 schrieb Dave Neary: If we must decide on a t-shirt design to drop (and we're not there yet), the House of Monkeys T would be my preference. Heh. That's exactly the one that I have gotten the most positive comments (cute etc) and conversation starts (what is GNOME?) for. Really? For me, it's got low brand value, it's a bit confusing, and the whole monkeys in-joke is distracting. I'm not a huge fan of the design, and the t-shirt colours aren't great (but of wourse that's personal preference). Plus, it's the one that's selling the worst :) I'm of course emotionally connected to it as I drew it, but numbers rule, so it can go if it's not selling well enough. Someone needs to draw new ones to replace the current ones first though, and I have a hard time coming up with stuff that is not too crazy. [1] :) Note that the only physical(ish) limit of the store is the front page, it is still possible to keep all the, say, FOSDEM t-shirts in a subcategory if that is desirable. 1. Too some extent I want to do really designish stuff, (possibly opposed to geeky) as I think it's good to communicate that the GNOME community really, really care about design. If people are comfortable wearing them in public because they look good, and not just because they like GNOME, that's great. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
Hi, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 04/28/2010 12:18 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Really? For me, it's got low brand value, it's a bit confusing, and the whole monkeys in-joke is distracting. I'm not a huge fan of the design, and the t-shirt colours aren't great (but of wourse that's personal preference). Plus, it's the one that's selling the worst :) I'm of course emotionally connected to it as I drew it, but numbers rule, so it can go if it's not selling well enough. I hope I haven't offended you Andreas - as I'm sure you guessed, that wasn't my intention. 1. Too some extent I want to do really designish stuff, (possibly opposed to geeky) as I think it's good to communicate that the GNOME community really, really care about design. If people are comfortable wearing them in public because they look good, and not just because they like GNOME, that's great. Yes! I love beautifully designed t-shirts. Think of all those t-shirts that get copied over over, like Che Guevarra or Obama Change, or the Vitruvian Man, or the evolution of man... I would love to have a GNOME t-shirt that were so original cool that we started seeing unauthorised hacked copies of it popping up. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On 04/28/2010 02:30 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Andreas Nilsson wrote: I'm of course emotionally connected to it as I drew it, but numbers rule, so it can go if it's not selling well enough. I hope I haven't offended you Andreas - as I'm sure you guessed, that wasn't my intention. No, not at all. Don't worry! I meant attached to it in the if I say it needs to stay, don't trust me, because it's my baby-sense, not that I would get angry or sad or anything. We should trust our numbers. One thought that hit me when I was out at lunch earlier is that we might want wait until we reach, say 100 sold items before we start replacing items so we have better data to go with. (the drawback would be that we would have to wait 3 times as long before we can start make the performance of the store better though, would it be worth the wait?). - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: but numbers rule, so it can go if it's not selling well enough. I think we don't have enough numbers yet. I think it's really cool we've sold at least one of each. With less than 30 sells, that seems pretty significant. Someone needs to draw new ones to replace the current ones first though, and I have a hard time coming up with stuff that is not too crazy. [1] :) Why not add a crazy one or two and see what happens? Would you have time to make a banner for the store for gnome.org and Planet GNOME? Thanks! Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
On 01/18/2010 04:41 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: On 01/13/2010 04:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. As a follow up from the Marketing meeting last week, I've added the request to the ArtRequest page on lgo[1] with more detail here[2]. Done and fixed on http://www.zazzle.com/gnome The css is now a lot cleaner and the whole thing looks more ready. A bunch of the graphics is currently hosted on my own web server, so that probably needs to be migrated before launch (hosting it on Zazzle itself produced very evidently compressed jpg-images in the few cases where it actually worked). Apart from that, I think we're ready to launch this together with 2.30! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 13:22 +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 01/18/2010 04:41 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: On 01/13/2010 04:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. As a follow up from the Marketing meeting last week, I've added the request to the ArtRequest page on lgo[1] with more detail here[2]. Done and fixed on http://www.zazzle.com/gnome The css is now a lot cleaner and the whole thing looks more ready. A bunch of the graphics is currently hosted on my own web server, so that probably needs to be migrated before launch (hosting it on Zazzle itself produced very evidently compressed jpg-images in the few cases where it actually worked). Apart from that, I think we're ready to launch this together with 2.30! - Andreas Andreas, Thanks so much for doing this. One small change - can you take down the GNOME Love t-shirt? This is the t-shirt those who donate to Friends of GNOME. Thanks! Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
Good morning, On 01/13/2010 04:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 01/12/2010 02:39 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: Can you give us an update on the GNOME Store and what's left to be done? Are there any specific action items that someone on the list may be able to help with? Hi Paul! First of all, sorry for dragging my feet on this one, but I blame my bad life-planning for keeping me busy and burning me out a bit. :) In general, most of it is done as far as I'm concerned, and what's left before we can launch is mostly polish-polish. A couple of things off my head: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. As a follow up from the Marketing meeting last week, I've added the request to the ArtRequest page on lgo[1] with more detail here[2]. [snip] Then I think we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas If anyone wants to help poke the Art team as a follow-up, the help is appreciated. Thanks. Paul [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/ArtRequests [2] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/ArtRequests/issue37 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
For other merchandise (for the two more products), I'd recommend: * Polo shirt: http://www.zazzle.com/cr/design/pt-embroideredshirt/style-basic_polo (I'd even replace one of our existing shirts with one of these.) * Beer steins: http://www.zazzle.com/custom/mugs/steins * Coffee mugs: http://www.zazzle.com/custom/mugs/travel * Bumper sticker: http://www.zazzle.com/custom/bumperstickers (Only sticker I could find.) Stormy On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: Hi Stormy! They are on the frontpage of http://www.zazzle.com/gnome - Andreas On 01/13/2010 11:56 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: I can help with something like product names. Do you have a picture of them or a url? Stormy On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: On 01/12/2010 02:39 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: Can you give us an update on the GNOME Store and what's left to be done? Are there any specific action items that someone on the list may be able to help with? Hi Paul! First of all, sorry for dragging my feet on this one, but I blame my bad life-planning for keeping me busy and burning me out a bit. :) In general, most of it is done as far as I'm concerned, and what's left before we can launch is mostly polish-polish. A couple of things off my head: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. * Proper names to all the products. * Take a look at the css, make sure it works in more browsers than just Firefox on Linux :) (I'm more than happy to have it not work in ie6 though, because there is more work than payoff for that version of ie) and that it's not dirty junk css left in there. * Some spacing and make sure that the sidebar looks proper. Then I think we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
Ok, so maybe I'm not being original enough but here's my suggestions for names going left to right across the grid: GNOME Love Mug GNOME Logo T-Shirt Dia GNOME T-Shirt GNOME Freedom Lover Ladies T-Shirt GNOME Rocks T-Shirt GNOME Love T-Shirt Traditional GNOME Logo T-Shirt Stormy On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: Hi Stormy! They are on the frontpage of http://www.zazzle.com/gnome - Andreas On 01/13/2010 11:56 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: I can help with something like product names. Do you have a picture of them or a url? Stormy On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: On 01/12/2010 02:39 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: Can you give us an update on the GNOME Store and what's left to be done? Are there any specific action items that someone on the list may be able to help with? Hi Paul! First of all, sorry for dragging my feet on this one, but I blame my bad life-planning for keeping me busy and burning me out a bit. :) In general, most of it is done as far as I'm concerned, and what's left before we can launch is mostly polish-polish. A couple of things off my head: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. * Proper names to all the products. * Take a look at the css, make sure it works in more browsers than just Firefox on Linux :) (I'm more than happy to have it not work in ie6 though, because there is more work than payoff for that version of ie) and that it's not dirty junk css left in there. * Some spacing and make sure that the sidebar looks proper. Then I think we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
Hi, On 01/13/2010 04:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: snip * Take a look at the css, make sure it works in more browsers than just Firefox on Linux :) (I'm more than happy to have it not work in ie6 though, because there is more work than payoff for that version of ie) and that it's not dirty junk css left in there. * Some spacing and make sure that the sidebar looks proper. Then I think we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas I loaded the store in the following browsers, and did not see any issues: * Epiphany 2.28 * Google Chrome (Linux) * Safari (Mac OS X 10.6) * Internet Explorer 8 (Windows) * Firefox 3.5 (Linux and Windows) I don't have access to IE 6 or 7, and I don't think we should support IE 6 anyway. Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
I learnt something the hard way. Thought I should share. Some of my sites dont work on Android browser. Not sure if we care about testing on Android and iPhone but just a thought maybe we should include them in the list too. On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 01/13/2010 04:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: snip * Take a look at the css, make sure it works in more browsers than just Firefox on Linux :) (I'm more than happy to have it not work in ie6 though, because there is more work than payoff for that version of ie) and that it's not dirty junk css left in there. * Some spacing and make sure that the sidebar looks proper. Then I think we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas I loaded the store in the following browsers, and did not see any issues: * Epiphany 2.28 * Google Chrome (Linux) * Safari (Mac OS X 10.6) * Internet Explorer 8 (Windows) * Firefox 3.5 (Linux and Windows) I don't have access to IE 6 or 7, and I don't think we should support IE 6 anyway. Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
On 01/13/2010 04:43 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 01/12/2010 02:39 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: Can you give us an update on the GNOME Store and what's left to be done? Are there any specific action items that someone on the list may be able to help with? Hi Paul! First of all, sorry for dragging my feet on this one, but I blame my bad life-planning for keeping me busy and burning me out a bit. :) In general, most of it is done as far as I'm concerned, and what's left before we can launch is mostly polish-polish. A couple of things off my head: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. * Proper names to all the products. * Take a look at the css, make sure it works in more browsers than just Firefox on Linux :) (I'm more than happy to have it not work in ie6 though, because there is more work than payoff for that version of ie) and that it's not dirty junk css left in there. * Some spacing and make sure that the sidebar looks proper. Then we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas Thank you for the update! Any volunteers? We can discuss more at the meeting tomorrow too. Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
On 01/12/2010 02:39 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: Can you give us an update on the GNOME Store and what's left to be done? Are there any specific action items that someone on the list may be able to help with? Hi Paul! First of all, sorry for dragging my feet on this one, but I blame my bad life-planning for keeping me busy and burning me out a bit. :) In general, most of it is done as far as I'm concerned, and what's left before we can launch is mostly polish-polish. A couple of things off my head: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. * Proper names to all the products. * Take a look at the css, make sure it works in more browsers than just Firefox on Linux :) (I'm more than happy to have it not work in ie6 though, because there is more work than payoff for that version of ie) and that it's not dirty junk css left in there. * Some spacing and make sure that the sidebar looks proper. Then I think we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store Update?
I can help with something like product names. Do you have a picture of them or a url? Stormy On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: On 01/12/2010 02:39 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: Can you give us an update on the GNOME Store and what's left to be done? Are there any specific action items that someone on the list may be able to help with? Hi Paul! First of all, sorry for dragging my feet on this one, but I blame my bad life-planning for keeping me busy and burning me out a bit. :) In general, most of it is done as far as I'm concerned, and what's left before we can launch is mostly polish-polish. A couple of things off my head: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. * Proper names to all the products. * Take a look at the css, make sure it works in more browsers than just Firefox on Linux :) (I'm more than happy to have it not work in ie6 though, because there is more work than payoff for that version of ie) and that it's not dirty junk css left in there. * Some spacing and make sure that the sidebar looks proper. Then I think we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Hi Stormy! They are on the frontpage of http://www.zazzle.com/gnome - Andreas On 01/13/2010 11:56 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: I can help with something like product names. Do you have a picture of them or a url? Stormy On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se mailto:nisses.m...@home.se wrote: On 01/12/2010 02:39 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: Can you give us an update on the GNOME Store and what's left to be done? Are there any specific action items that someone on the list may be able to help with? Hi Paul! First of all, sorry for dragging my feet on this one, but I blame my bad life-planning for keeping me busy and burning me out a bit. :) In general, most of it is done as far as I'm concerned, and what's left before we can launch is mostly polish-polish. A couple of things off my head: * Add two more products so we get a nice 3x3 grid of gear (plus points if it's not t-shirts). * A nicer header. * Proper names to all the products. * Take a look at the css, make sure it works in more browsers than just Firefox on Linux :) (I'm more than happy to have it not work in ie6 though, because there is more work than payoff for that version of ie) and that it's not dirty junk css left in there. * Some spacing and make sure that the sidebar looks proper. Then I think we can launch. Please help now everyone, if just with one of the things on the list! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org mailto:marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: What I need the marketing team's help with is: What products and merchandise should we offer with the GNOME logo? We have 6 t-shirt designs up, and can also add products such as coffee mugs, tote bags, hats, sweatshirts and more. I'd keep it relatively simple -- so no more than three or four things aside from the t-shirts. (I suspect there's some study that would show that choice overload results in fewer sales...) But definitely a mug, hat, and sweatshirt. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net openSUSE Community Manager Get openSUSE 11.2! http://bit.ly/EOV8a Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Hi, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: What I need the marketing team's help with is: What products and merchandise should we offer with the GNOME logo? We have 6 t-shirt designs up, and can also add products such as coffee mugs, tote bags, hats, sweatshirts and more. I'd keep it relatively simple -- so no more than three or four things aside from the t-shirts. (I suspect there's some study that would show that choice overload results in fewer sales...) But definitely a mug, hat, and sweatshirt. I agree with Keep it simple. I would say no more than 8 items, total. Including t-shirts. I would like to see t-shirt, polo shirt, maybe sweatshirt (not convinced), mug, and perhaps a poster or two. I'd avoid tote bags and hats. One polo shirt design, with an equivalent t-shirt design, and 2 or 3 t-shirt only designs, and one sweatshirt design. One mug, one or two posters. 8 or 9 items in all. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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On 12/02/2009 02:40 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Paul Cutlerpcut...@gnome.org wrote: What I need the marketing team's help with is: What products and merchandise should we offer with the GNOME logo? We have 6 t-shirt designs up, and can also add products such as coffee mugs, tote bags, hats, sweatshirts and more. I'd keep it relatively simple -- so no more than three or four things aside from the t-shirts. (I suspect there's some study that would show that choice overload results in fewer sales...) But definitely a mug, hat, and sweatshirt. I agree with Keep it simple. I would say no more than 8 items, total. Including t-shirts. Yep. The good thing about Zazzle is that they have the tshirts in a wide variety of colors. I would like to see t-shirt, polo shirt, maybe sweatshirt (not convinced), mug, and perhaps a poster or two. I'd avoid tote bags and hats. I'd say drop a couple green stuff in there. Water bottle and/or coffee mug. behdad One polo shirt design, with an equivalent t-shirt design, and 2 or 3 t-shirt only designs, and one sweatshirt design. One mug, one or two posters. 8 or 9 items in all. Cheers, Dave. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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El mié, 02-12-2009 a las 07:53 -0600, Paul Cutler escribió: Please take a look at Zazzle and the products they offer and reply with ideas. Right now we'll use the graphics / logos uploaded that you see on the shirts. The green t-shirt should be the now classic white equation on chalkboard green. Agree with others about not having more than 8 or so items. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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There's some famous study about jam's in grocery stores. I think the option of 3 different jams resulted in the most sales. Lots of jams resulted in indecision and no sales. One possible way around this (and I have no research on this) would be to offer tshirts, sweatshirts and mugs at the top level. Then when you drill down you can pick green, black or whatever. Stormy On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.orgwrote: El mié, 02-12-2009 a las 07:53 -0600, Paul Cutler escribió: Please take a look at Zazzle and the products they offer and reply with ideas. Right now we'll use the graphics / logos uploaded that you see on the shirts. The green t-shirt should be the now classic white equation on chalkboard green. Agree with others about not having more than 8 or so items. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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I'm working on the task list for 2.27, and I'm hoping we can start to tackle a new GNOME store in July. Stormy - have you had a chance to create an account with Zazzle? (Sorry, I know you're slammed with GUADEC stuff right now). I'd like to add some of the tasks around a new store to the task list, including: * Create theme / website on Zazzle site * Call for artwork * Review and approve artwork for merchandise * Pick merchandise for sale * Launch store (and market it) Paul On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: We're good to move forward with the Zazzle store (from a board perspective and a legal perspective.) Once we have an account and a website ready to go, I'll reach out to Hackerthreads and let them know what we are planning. Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I checked and we're one vote shy. There was positive reaction but it stalled on knowing exactly what we've agreed to with hackerthreads. We don't seem to have a copy of the agreement on file. I think whatever we do, we'll need to make sure to work with hackerthreads to maintain that relationship. A couple of notes on hackerthreads from Rosanna: - we get $4 per item sold - they were the ones who came up with the decals, polo, and hat ideas - in one quarter, they were happy with how things sold and gave us an extra $100 in donation From them we made: 2006 $172 2007 $504 2008 $68 2009 $264 I've pinged the board again and I'll ping hackerthreads again as well ... Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: Hi Stormy - have you had an opportunity to get board approval? Just thinking we may want to think about where this lives with the wgo revamp. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I think we get board approval and set up an account. I can get board approval. I can also set up the account on Monday. (I'm off this afternoon through Monday.) Stormy On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: I'm glad to see the agreement in choosing Zazzle! I'm not sure of the process - are there any other individuals who we need approval from? If not, who can help with some of the adminsitrative steps to move forward? * Inform Hackerthreads of a change * Set up a Zazzle account (http://www.zazzle.com/sell) I am supposed to meeting with Lucas soon to discuss a roadmap for the gnome-web team after last Monday's meeting. I'd recommend we wrap some of the action items regarding creating a store (CSS) into the overall gnome-web plan (which is scheduled for release with 2.28). This may make the most sense as the look and feel of the GNOME website will change with the Plone rollout, and we'll want that look in the Zazzle store. In talking to Andreas in IRC yesterday he mentioned that there may be some artwork ready to go, such as the popular green one, and a few others. The other option is to launch a more basic store now, with some of the designs Andreas mentioned, in an effort to make a little money sooner. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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I have not but I've added it to my list. It'll probably happen during GUADEC or right after if that'll work. (I leave Wednesday morning for the airport.) Stormy On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: I'm working on the task list for 2.27, and I'm hoping we can start to tackle a new GNOME store in July. Stormy - have you had a chance to create an account with Zazzle? (Sorry, I know you're slammed with GUADEC stuff right now). I'd like to add some of the tasks around a new store to the task list, including: * Create theme / website on Zazzle site * Call for artwork * Review and approve artwork for merchandise * Pick merchandise for sale * Launch store (and market it) Paul On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: We're good to move forward with the Zazzle store (from a board perspective and a legal perspective.) Once we have an account and a website ready to go, I'll reach out to Hackerthreads and let them know what we are planning. Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I checked and we're one vote shy. There was positive reaction but it stalled on knowing exactly what we've agreed to with hackerthreads. We don't seem to have a copy of the agreement on file. I think whatever we do, we'll need to make sure to work with hackerthreads to maintain that relationship. A couple of notes on hackerthreads from Rosanna: - we get $4 per item sold - they were the ones who came up with the decals, polo, and hat ideas - in one quarter, they were happy with how things sold and gave us an extra $100 in donation From them we made: 2006 $172 2007 $504 2008 $68 2009 $264 I've pinged the board again and I'll ping hackerthreads again as well ... Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: Hi Stormy - have you had an opportunity to get board approval? Just thinking we may want to think about where this lives with the wgo revamp. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I think we get board approval and set up an account. I can get board approval. I can also set up the account on Monday. (I'm off this afternoon through Monday.) Stormy On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: I'm glad to see the agreement in choosing Zazzle! I'm not sure of the process - are there any other individuals who we need approval from? If not, who can help with some of the adminsitrative steps to move forward? * Inform Hackerthreads of a change * Set up a Zazzle account (http://www.zazzle.com/sell) I am supposed to meeting with Lucas soon to discuss a roadmap for the gnome-web team after last Monday's meeting. I'd recommend we wrap some of the action items regarding creating a store (CSS) into the overall gnome-web plan (which is scheduled for release with 2.28). This may make the most sense as the look and feel of the GNOME website will change with the Plone rollout, and we'll want that look in the Zazzle store. In talking to Andreas in IRC yesterday he mentioned that there may be some artwork ready to go, such as the popular green one, and a few others. The other option is to launch a more basic store now, with some of the designs Andreas mentioned, in an effort to make a little money sooner. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 14:53 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: Cafepress has a slight edge on pricing, on average 5-10% (though they do charge $60 for a premium store) but Zazzle handily beats them in assortment of products to choose from. I encourage you to look at Zazzle's t-shirt offerings, especially the women's selections as a comparison. Little late here, but I do have dibs on cafepress.com/gnome if interested. -Stro -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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We're good to move forward with the Zazzle store (from a board perspective and a legal perspective.) Once we have an account and a website ready to go, I'll reach out to Hackerthreads and let them know what we are planning. Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I checked and we're one vote shy. There was positive reaction but it stalled on knowing exactly what we've agreed to with hackerthreads. We don't seem to have a copy of the agreement on file. I think whatever we do, we'll need to make sure to work with hackerthreads to maintain that relationship. A couple of notes on hackerthreads from Rosanna: - we get $4 per item sold - they were the ones who came up with the decals, polo, and hat ideas - in one quarter, they were happy with how things sold and gave us an extra $100 in donation From them we made: 2006 $172 2007 $504 2008 $68 2009 $264 I've pinged the board again and I'll ping hackerthreads again as well ... Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: Hi Stormy - have you had an opportunity to get board approval? Just thinking we may want to think about where this lives with the wgo revamp. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I think we get board approval and set up an account. I can get board approval. I can also set up the account on Monday. (I'm off this afternoon through Monday.) Stormy On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: I'm glad to see the agreement in choosing Zazzle! I'm not sure of the process - are there any other individuals who we need approval from? If not, who can help with some of the adminsitrative steps to move forward? * Inform Hackerthreads of a change * Set up a Zazzle account (http://www.zazzle.com/sell) I am supposed to meeting with Lucas soon to discuss a roadmap for the gnome-web team after last Monday's meeting. I'd recommend we wrap some of the action items regarding creating a store (CSS) into the overall gnome-web plan (which is scheduled for release with 2.28). This may make the most sense as the look and feel of the GNOME website will change with the Plone rollout, and we'll want that look in the Zazzle store. In talking to Andreas in IRC yesterday he mentioned that there may be some artwork ready to go, such as the popular green one, and a few others. The other option is to launch a more basic store now, with some of the designs Andreas mentioned, in an effort to make a little money sooner. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Hi Stormy - have you had an opportunity to get board approval? Just thinking we may want to think about where this lives with the wgo revamp. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I think we get board approval and set up an account. I can get board approval. I can also set up the account on Monday. (I'm off this afternoon through Monday.) Stormy On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.orgwrote: I'm glad to see the agreement in choosing Zazzle! I'm not sure of the process - are there any other individuals who we need approval from? If not, who can help with some of the adminsitrative steps to move forward? * Inform Hackerthreads of a change * Set up a Zazzle account (http://www.zazzle.com/sell) I am supposed to meeting with Lucas soon to discuss a roadmap for the gnome-web team after last Monday's meeting. I'd recommend we wrap some of the action items regarding creating a store (CSS) into the overall gnome-web plan (which is scheduled for release with 2.28). This may make the most sense as the look and feel of the GNOME website will change with the Plone rollout, and we'll want that look in the Zazzle store. In talking to Andreas in IRC yesterday he mentioned that there may be some artwork ready to go, such as the popular green one, and a few others. The other option is to launch a more basic store now, with some of the designs Andreas mentioned, in an effort to make a little money sooner. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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I checked and we're one vote shy. There was positive reaction but it stalled on knowing exactly what we've agreed to with hackerthreads. We don't seem to have a copy of the agreement on file. I think whatever we do, we'll need to make sure to work with hackerthreads to maintain that relationship. A couple of notes on hackerthreads from Rosanna: - we get $4 per item sold - they were the ones who came up with the decals, polo, and hat ideas - in one quarter, they were happy with how things sold and gave us an extra $100 in donation From them we made: 2006 $172 2007 $504 2008 $68 2009 $264 I've pinged the board again and I'll ping hackerthreads again as well ... Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: Hi Stormy - have you had an opportunity to get board approval? Just thinking we may want to think about where this lives with the wgo revamp. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I think we get board approval and set up an account. I can get board approval. I can also set up the account on Monday. (I'm off this afternoon through Monday.) Stormy On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: I'm glad to see the agreement in choosing Zazzle! I'm not sure of the process - are there any other individuals who we need approval from? If not, who can help with some of the adminsitrative steps to move forward? * Inform Hackerthreads of a change * Set up a Zazzle account (http://www.zazzle.com/sell) I am supposed to meeting with Lucas soon to discuss a roadmap for the gnome-web team after last Monday's meeting. I'd recommend we wrap some of the action items regarding creating a store (CSS) into the overall gnome-web plan (which is scheduled for release with 2.28). This may make the most sense as the look and feel of the GNOME website will change with the Plone rollout, and we'll want that look in the Zazzle store. In talking to Andreas in IRC yesterday he mentioned that there may be some artwork ready to go, such as the popular green one, and a few others. The other option is to launch a more basic store now, with some of the designs Andreas mentioned, in an effort to make a little money sooner. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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FYI to all. Hackerthreads currently sells some GNOME merchandising and shares the revenue with us. We are discussing opening our own store (using Zazzle) over which we'd have more control over products, design, etc. The board just wants to make sure that nothing in the agreement we currently have with hackerthreads prevents that. (And it looks like we are ok, but I'm having our attorney give it a quick read.) I do think we should work to keep a good relationship with hackerthreads so we should let them know our plans (I can do that) and we should try to avoid unnecessarily competing with their products. Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I checked and we're one vote shy. There was positive reaction but it stalled on knowing exactly what we've agreed to with hackerthreads. We don't seem to have a copy of the agreement on file. I think whatever we do, we'll need to make sure to work with hackerthreads to maintain that relationship. A couple of notes on hackerthreads from Rosanna: - we get $4 per item sold - they were the ones who came up with the decals, polo, and hat ideas - in one quarter, they were happy with how things sold and gave us an extra $100 in donation From them we made: 2006 $172 2007 $504 2008 $68 2009 $264 I've pinged the board again and I'll ping hackerthreads again as well ... Stormy On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: Hi Stormy - have you had an opportunity to get board approval? Just thinking we may want to think about where this lives with the wgo revamp. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I think we get board approval and set up an account. I can get board approval. I can also set up the account on Monday. (I'm off this afternoon through Monday.) Stormy On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: I'm glad to see the agreement in choosing Zazzle! I'm not sure of the process - are there any other individuals who we need approval from? If not, who can help with some of the adminsitrative steps to move forward? * Inform Hackerthreads of a change * Set up a Zazzle account (http://www.zazzle.com/sell) I am supposed to meeting with Lucas soon to discuss a roadmap for the gnome-web team after last Monday's meeting. I'd recommend we wrap some of the action items regarding creating a store (CSS) into the overall gnome-web plan (which is scheduled for release with 2.28). This may make the most sense as the look and feel of the GNOME website will change with the Plone rollout, and we'll want that look in the Zazzle store. In talking to Andreas in IRC yesterday he mentioned that there may be some artwork ready to go, such as the popular green one, and a few others. The other option is to launch a more basic store now, with some of the designs Andreas mentioned, in an effort to make a little money sooner. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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I'm glad to see the agreement in choosing Zazzle! I'm not sure of the process - are there any other individuals who we need approval from? If not, who can help with some of the adminsitrative steps to move forward? * Inform Hackerthreads of a change * Set up a Zazzle account (http://www.zazzle.com/sell) I am supposed to meeting with Lucas soon to discuss a roadmap for the gnome-web team after last Monday's meeting. I'd recommend we wrap some of the action items regarding creating a store (CSS) into the overall gnome-web plan (which is scheduled for release with 2.28). This may make the most sense as the look and feel of the GNOME website will change with the Plone rollout, and we'll want that look in the Zazzle store. In talking to Andreas in IRC yesterday he mentioned that there may be some artwork ready to go, such as the popular green one, and a few others. The other option is to launch a more basic store now, with some of the designs Andreas mentioned, in an effort to make a little money sooner. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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I think we get board approval and set up an account. I can get board approval. I can also set up the account on Monday. (I'm off this afternoon through Monday.) Stormy On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.orgwrote: I'm glad to see the agreement in choosing Zazzle! I'm not sure of the process - are there any other individuals who we need approval from? If not, who can help with some of the adminsitrative steps to move forward? * Inform Hackerthreads of a change * Set up a Zazzle account (http://www.zazzle.com/sell) I am supposed to meeting with Lucas soon to discuss a roadmap for the gnome-web team after last Monday's meeting. I'd recommend we wrap some of the action items regarding creating a store (CSS) into the overall gnome-web plan (which is scheduled for release with 2.28). This may make the most sense as the look and feel of the GNOME website will change with the Plone rollout, and we'll want that look in the Zazzle store. In talking to Andreas in IRC yesterday he mentioned that there may be some artwork ready to go, such as the popular green one, and a few others. The other option is to launch a more basic store now, with some of the designs Andreas mentioned, in an effort to make a little money sooner. Paul On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: Dave Neary wrote: Stormy Peters wrote: +1 for Zazzle. Idem. In fact, back in 2004, the only reason we didn't go with Zazzle was that they were US only, and we would have had to theme our web page ourselves to make it look feel like a gnome.org page. The first one is no longer true, I think, and the second is perhaps not a blocker. I haven't looked into detail how much control you actually get over the design, but when playing around with it in Firebug yesterday, I was able to get okayish results in a matter of minutes. Lots of divs to style! So not a blocker at all. Lets go for it! - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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+1 for Zazzle. Thanks for putting together the info! Stormy On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: I spent some time researching Zazzle and Cafepress, and put up a page on lgo at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Merchandising. I didn't find a lot of information about competitors to the two of them. Overall, they're both very similar. Both offer similar merchandise, affiliate programs, customizable look, embeddable content and more. My personal recommendation would be Zazzle. Zazzle hosts more (and arguably better) brand stores for companies than Cafepress. If you assume they went through a RFP selection process, there is probably a reason the likes of Disney, Mozilla and Mattel (Barbie, Hot Wheels) chose Zazzle. Cafepress has a slight edge on pricing, on average 5-10% (though they do charge $60 for a premium store) but Zazzle handily beats them in assortment of products to choose from. I encourage you to look at Zazzle's t-shirt offerings, especially the women's selections as a comparison. I also liked Zazzle's choice of posters and print offerings better. Most of the novelty items, such as mugs, stickers, magnets, etc were priced similar between the two. Please review the wiki page I added at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Merchandising and let me know if there are any areas you would like additional information on. Paul On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: Ok, that helps with the direction. I agree with Stormy that it would be neat to have our own designs - especially when we can get the community involved, or have things like limited edition runs. I spent some time yesterday comparing Zazzle's and Cafepress's premium store options. I'll type up a comparison over the weekend and send it to the list. If anyone has any other suggestions of companies to look at, please let me know. Paul On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: There's also Threadless, but they only do tshirts. Currently, Hackerthreads decides what merchandise with which logos and asks the board for approval. Some of the issues I know we currently have with them, and we've told them, are issues with the user interface and payments. I would like to have the Zazzle/Cafepress model where we could make up our own designs and decide which merchandise they could be offered on. Stormy On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: Dave, thanks for linking the lgo page below, that was very helpful. I guess the first question I have is, are we unhappy with Hackerthreads? Specifically, financially? Has anyone reached out to them to see if it's possible to assort more merchandise, and change the look and the feel of the store? As far as more merchandise goes, looking at their other stores / affiliates they host, I don't think there is, as they appear to specialize in t-shirts. I don't think any of the requirements have changed much in the last 5 years sine that was put together. Looking at the work that was done back then, and the stores that were under consideration: * Zazzle: Still in business, now has Mozilla as a client * Cafepress - the wiki page mentions * OpensourceFactory: Specializes in books and software only * Sorucewear / Mayopi: Don't appear to be in the merchandising business anymore Other than that, the only other site that was similar that I could find was Printfection.com. Paul On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, While the project didn't go through to completion because the company we signed with went out of business, we have gone through this process before - I documented the process and hit on some of the very same issues you mention - gnome.org URL, selection of products, and Zazzle was among the companies I talked with. The process is documented in http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MerchandisingAgreement As I understand it, Zazzle will do specific custom deals for high volume brands. For lower value brands such as our, you can easily set up a custom shop-front with the Zazzle store management software like this: http://www.zazzle.com/southpark I also understood from our discussions that Zazzle could set up vhosts for a store.gnome.org sub-domain, but that they couldn't do a fully custom interface for us - it would be a standard Zazzle shop-front. Cheers, Dave. Paul Cutler wrote: Hi, I wanted to continue a conversation regarding a GNOME store that I had sent to the foundation-list (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-April/msg00060.html) and per Stormy's last email in the thread, continue it in marketing. We currently have an affiliate store set up at Hackerthreads: http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= I'll
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Dave, thanks for linking the lgo page below, that was very helpful. I guess the first question I have is, are we unhappy with Hackerthreads? Specifically, financially? Has anyone reached out to them to see if it's possible to assort more merchandise, and change the look and the feel of the store? As far as more merchandise goes, looking at their other stores / affiliates they host, I don't think there is, as they appear to specialize in t-shirts. I don't think any of the requirements have changed much in the last 5 years sine that was put together. Looking at the work that was done back then, and the stores that were under consideration: * Zazzle: Still in business, now has Mozilla as a client * Cafepress - the wiki page mentions * OpensourceFactory: Specializes in books and software only * Sorucewear / Mayopi: Don't appear to be in the merchandising business anymore Other than that, the only other site that was similar that I could find was Printfection.com. Paul On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, While the project didn't go through to completion because the company we signed with went out of business, we have gone through this process before - I documented the process and hit on some of the very same issues you mention - gnome.org URL, selection of products, and Zazzle was among the companies I talked with. The process is documented in http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MerchandisingAgreement As I understand it, Zazzle will do specific custom deals for high volume brands. For lower value brands such as our, you can easily set up a custom shop-front with the Zazzle store management software like this: http://www.zazzle.com/southpark I also understood from our discussions that Zazzle could set up vhosts for a store.gnome.org sub-domain, but that they couldn't do a fully custom interface for us - it would be a standard Zazzle shop-front. Cheers, Dave. Paul Cutler wrote: Hi, I wanted to continue a conversation regarding a GNOME store that I had sent to the foundation-list (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-April/msg00060.html ) and per Stormy's last email in the thread, continue it in marketing. We currently have an affiliate store set up at Hackerthreads: http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the information on the current setup, including adding products and the revenue model. However, in my experience at a former employer running e-commerce sites, having a punch out site with a different URL decreases customer conversion to buy. One alternative that came up in #marketing in IRC last week was using Zazzle, who manages the Mozilla store (http://store.mozilla.org/). Some ideas around a GNOME store, that may help increase sales revenue: * GNOME URL (store.gnome.org http://store.gnome.org) * User generated logos / content that can be added to merchandise * Limited edition merchandise (Could we create demand by having certain artwork / logos available for a limited time? Or create a campaign or use merchandise to support a larger campaign for GNOME) * Greater selection of products Of course, this would probably cause more work - setting up the store, managing inventory (Mozilla has a clearance store), HTML, requesting and approving logos and artwork from the community, etc. My idea may be totally crazy considering all the other work around the website that's going on as well. I'm not sure what value added services Hackerthreads or Zazzle can offer around these ideas, or what other ideas the community may have to add, but these were some things I thought we may want to think about. I'd like to gauge if there is any interest in the community around this idea? If so, we may want to create a small team that can help screen artwork, choose what kinds of merchandise to sell in conjunction with a fulfilment partner, and work with the web team to get a store implement. Thoughts or concerns? Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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There's also Threadless, but they only do tshirts. Currently, Hackerthreads decides what merchandise with which logos and asks the board for approval. Some of the issues I know we currently have with them, and we've told them, are issues with the user interface and payments. I would like to have the Zazzle/Cafepress model where we could make up our own designs and decide which merchandise they could be offered on. Stormy On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.orgwrote: Dave, thanks for linking the lgo page below, that was very helpful. I guess the first question I have is, are we unhappy with Hackerthreads? Specifically, financially? Has anyone reached out to them to see if it's possible to assort more merchandise, and change the look and the feel of the store? As far as more merchandise goes, looking at their other stores / affiliates they host, I don't think there is, as they appear to specialize in t-shirts. I don't think any of the requirements have changed much in the last 5 years sine that was put together. Looking at the work that was done back then, and the stores that were under consideration: * Zazzle: Still in business, now has Mozilla as a client * Cafepress - the wiki page mentions * OpensourceFactory: Specializes in books and software only * Sorucewear / Mayopi: Don't appear to be in the merchandising business anymore Other than that, the only other site that was similar that I could find was Printfection.com. Paul On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, While the project didn't go through to completion because the company we signed with went out of business, we have gone through this process before - I documented the process and hit on some of the very same issues you mention - gnome.org URL, selection of products, and Zazzle was among the companies I talked with. The process is documented in http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MerchandisingAgreement As I understand it, Zazzle will do specific custom deals for high volume brands. For lower value brands such as our, you can easily set up a custom shop-front with the Zazzle store management software like this: http://www.zazzle.com/southpark I also understood from our discussions that Zazzle could set up vhosts for a store.gnome.org sub-domain, but that they couldn't do a fully custom interface for us - it would be a standard Zazzle shop-front. Cheers, Dave. Paul Cutler wrote: Hi, I wanted to continue a conversation regarding a GNOME store that I had sent to the foundation-list ( http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-April/msg00060.html) and per Stormy's last email in the thread, continue it in marketing. We currently have an affiliate store set up at Hackerthreads: http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the information on the current setup, including adding products and the revenue model. However, in my experience at a former employer running e-commerce sites, having a punch out site with a different URL decreases customer conversion to buy. One alternative that came up in #marketing in IRC last week was using Zazzle, who manages the Mozilla store (http://store.mozilla.org/). Some ideas around a GNOME store, that may help increase sales revenue: * GNOME URL (store.gnome.org http://store.gnome.org) * User generated logos / content that can be added to merchandise * Limited edition merchandise (Could we create demand by having certain artwork / logos available for a limited time? Or create a campaign or use merchandise to support a larger campaign for GNOME) * Greater selection of products Of course, this would probably cause more work - setting up the store, managing inventory (Mozilla has a clearance store), HTML, requesting and approving logos and artwork from the community, etc. My idea may be totally crazy considering all the other work around the website that's going on as well. I'm not sure what value added services Hackerthreads or Zazzle can offer around these ideas, or what other ideas the community may have to add, but these were some things I thought we may want to think about. I'd like to gauge if there is any interest in the community around this idea? If so, we may want to create a small team that can help screen artwork, choose what kinds of merchandise to sell in conjunction with a fulfilment partner, and work with the web team to get a store implement. Thoughts or concerns? Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list
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+1 for Zazzle. -- -- Alex Launi -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Ok, that helps with the direction. I agree with Stormy that it would be neat to have our own designs - especially when we can get the community involved, or have things like limited edition runs. I spent some time yesterday comparing Zazzle's and Cafepress's premium store options. I'll type up a comparison over the weekend and send it to the list. If anyone has any other suggestions of companies to look at, please let me know. Paul On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: There's also Threadless, but they only do tshirts. Currently, Hackerthreads decides what merchandise with which logos and asks the board for approval. Some of the issues I know we currently have with them, and we've told them, are issues with the user interface and payments. I would like to have the Zazzle/Cafepress model where we could make up our own designs and decide which merchandise they could be offered on. Stormy On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.orgwrote: Dave, thanks for linking the lgo page below, that was very helpful. I guess the first question I have is, are we unhappy with Hackerthreads? Specifically, financially? Has anyone reached out to them to see if it's possible to assort more merchandise, and change the look and the feel of the store? As far as more merchandise goes, looking at their other stores / affiliates they host, I don't think there is, as they appear to specialize in t-shirts. I don't think any of the requirements have changed much in the last 5 years sine that was put together. Looking at the work that was done back then, and the stores that were under consideration: * Zazzle: Still in business, now has Mozilla as a client * Cafepress - the wiki page mentions * OpensourceFactory: Specializes in books and software only * Sorucewear / Mayopi: Don't appear to be in the merchandising business anymore Other than that, the only other site that was similar that I could find was Printfection.com. Paul On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, While the project didn't go through to completion because the company we signed with went out of business, we have gone through this process before - I documented the process and hit on some of the very same issues you mention - gnome.org URL, selection of products, and Zazzle was among the companies I talked with. The process is documented in http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MerchandisingAgreement As I understand it, Zazzle will do specific custom deals for high volume brands. For lower value brands such as our, you can easily set up a custom shop-front with the Zazzle store management software like this: http://www.zazzle.com/southpark I also understood from our discussions that Zazzle could set up vhosts for a store.gnome.org sub-domain, but that they couldn't do a fully custom interface for us - it would be a standard Zazzle shop-front. Cheers, Dave. Paul Cutler wrote: Hi, I wanted to continue a conversation regarding a GNOME store that I had sent to the foundation-list ( http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-April/msg00060.html) and per Stormy's last email in the thread, continue it in marketing. We currently have an affiliate store set up at Hackerthreads: http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the information on the current setup, including adding products and the revenue model. However, in my experience at a former employer running e-commerce sites, having a punch out site with a different URL decreases customer conversion to buy. One alternative that came up in #marketing in IRC last week was using Zazzle, who manages the Mozilla store (http://store.mozilla.org/). Some ideas around a GNOME store, that may help increase sales revenue: * GNOME URL (store.gnome.org http://store.gnome.org) * User generated logos / content that can be added to merchandise * Limited edition merchandise (Could we create demand by having certain artwork / logos available for a limited time? Or create a campaign or use merchandise to support a larger campaign for GNOME) * Greater selection of products Of course, this would probably cause more work - setting up the store, managing inventory (Mozilla has a clearance store), HTML, requesting and approving logos and artwork from the community, etc. My idea may be totally crazy considering all the other work around the website that's going on as well. I'm not sure what value added services Hackerthreads or Zazzle can offer around these ideas, or what other ideas the community may have to add, but these were some things I thought we may want to think about. I'd like to gauge if there is any interest in the community around this idea? If so, we may want to create a small
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Hi, While the project didn't go through to completion because the company we signed with went out of business, we have gone through this process before - I documented the process and hit on some of the very same issues you mention - gnome.org URL, selection of products, and Zazzle was among the companies I talked with. The process is documented in http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MerchandisingAgreement As I understand it, Zazzle will do specific custom deals for high volume brands. For lower value brands such as our, you can easily set up a custom shop-front with the Zazzle store management software like this: http://www.zazzle.com/southpark I also understood from our discussions that Zazzle could set up vhosts for a store.gnome.org sub-domain, but that they couldn't do a fully custom interface for us - it would be a standard Zazzle shop-front. Cheers, Dave. Paul Cutler wrote: Hi, I wanted to continue a conversation regarding a GNOME store that I had sent to the foundation-list (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-April/msg00060.html) and per Stormy's last email in the thread, continue it in marketing. We currently have an affiliate store set up at Hackerthreads: http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?Cc=GNOMEBc= I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the information on the current setup, including adding products and the revenue model. However, in my experience at a former employer running e-commerce sites, having a punch out site with a different URL decreases customer conversion to buy. One alternative that came up in #marketing in IRC last week was using Zazzle, who manages the Mozilla store (http://store.mozilla.org/). Some ideas around a GNOME store, that may help increase sales revenue: * GNOME URL (store.gnome.org http://store.gnome.org) * User generated logos / content that can be added to merchandise * Limited edition merchandise (Could we create demand by having certain artwork / logos available for a limited time? Or create a campaign or use merchandise to support a larger campaign for GNOME) * Greater selection of products Of course, this would probably cause more work - setting up the store, managing inventory (Mozilla has a clearance store), HTML, requesting and approving logos and artwork from the community, etc. My idea may be totally crazy considering all the other work around the website that's going on as well. I'm not sure what value added services Hackerthreads or Zazzle can offer around these ideas, or what other ideas the community may have to add, but these were some things I thought we may want to think about. I'd like to gauge if there is any interest in the community around this idea? If so, we may want to create a small team that can help screen artwork, choose what kinds of merchandise to sell in conjunction with a fulfilment partner, and work with the web team to get a store implement. Thoughts or concerns? Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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One thing I really liked about Zazzle's implementation of the Mozilla store is that they also have an international store: http://intlstore.mozilla.org/ Cafepress does have separate stores for Australia, England and Canada. I did not see this option on Hackerthreads. I liked that Mozilla was able to set up a subdomain, I don't know if the other partners offered that. Paul On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I would be nervous about us creating our own store. In addition to all the web stuff (which is probably easy for us), we'd also need to preorder goods, store them some where and fulfill orders. Rosanna sends out Friends of GNOME gifts now and it is a lot of work. Zazzle, Cafepress, and Threadless are all in this business. Zazzle will give us http://zazzle.com/gnome and let us brand it how we want. And then they will handle all the printing, orders, payment and shipping. The Mozilla Foundation uses Zazzle to give you an idea of how things can be set up. Stormy On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.orgwrote: Alex, thanks for your comments. Copying the marketing list as well. Paul On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.org wrote: I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the information on the current setup, including adding products and the revenue model. However, in my experience at a former employer running e-commerce sites, having a punch out site with a different URL decreases customer conversion to buy. I will definitely agree that as a consumer I am a bit put off by being redirected. An integrated store, where I know (or at least feel like I know) that all my funds are going right to the organisation I'm buying from increases the likelihood that I will buy. One alternative that came up in #marketing in IRC last week was using Zazzle, who manages the Mozilla store (http://store.mozilla.org/). What does this get us? Is it like running our store but someone else runs it for us? I'd like to gauge if there is any interest in the community around this idea? If so, we may want to create a small team that can help screen artwork, choose what kinds of merchandise to sell in conjunction with a fulfilment partner, and work with the web team to get a store implement. I think there's a market for it, and if it wouldn't end up being a major expense, and would actually help bring some more income to the foundation I give it a thumbs up. -- --Alex Launi -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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I would be nervous about us creating our own store. In addition to all the web stuff (which is probably easy for us), we'd also need to preorder goods, store them some where and fulfill orders. Rosanna sends out Friends of GNOME gifts now and it is a lot of work. Zazzle, Cafepress, and Threadless are all in this business. Zazzle will give us http://zazzle.com/gnome and let us brand it how we want. And then they will handle all the printing, orders, payment and shipping. The Mozilla Foundation uses Zazzle to give you an idea of how things can be set up. Stormy On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.orgwrote: Alex, thanks for your comments. Copying the marketing list as well. Paul On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@foresightlinux.orgwrote: I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the information on the current setup, including adding products and the revenue model. However, in my experience at a former employer running e-commerce sites, having a punch out site with a different URL decreases customer conversion to buy. I will definitely agree that as a consumer I am a bit put off by being redirected. An integrated store, where I know (or at least feel like I know) that all my funds are going right to the organisation I'm buying from increases the likelihood that I will buy. One alternative that came up in #marketing in IRC last week was using Zazzle, who manages the Mozilla store (http://store.mozilla.org/). What does this get us? Is it like running our store but someone else runs it for us? I'd like to gauge if there is any interest in the community around this idea? If so, we may want to create a small team that can help screen artwork, choose what kinds of merchandise to sell in conjunction with a fulfilment partner, and work with the web team to get a store implement. I think there's a market for it, and if it wouldn't end up being a major expense, and would actually help bring some more income to the foundation I give it a thumbs up. -- --Alex Launi -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Hi, Quim Gil wrote: About the designs: We need to reduce the work we have to do. So Killermundi designs, but we have a veto on designs (all designs have to be approved by GNOME, perhaps in writing). Ok to veto/approval. About production, I thought maybe there is people here willing to submit a proposal? I mean, it doesn't need to be extra work for us. If nobody comes up with something (we like), then Killermundi is happy doing it. The situation would then be* 1. GNOME artist makes design 2. GNOME sends it to Killermundi, whoi decide whether to print it or not. If they decide to print it for the store, great. For special edition t-shirts, I think the situation is different. They're not going to be available in the online store. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME store
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 19:04 +0200, Thilo Pfennig wrote:
1) I think certainly this must be integrated into the upcoming CMS.
This is the clear option when we have only one reseller. Having only two
already complicates a bit the process, but I guess is doable.
Another thing to be considered are the policies of the own resellers.
For instance, currently hackerthreads.com are selling GNOME
merchandising at
http://www.hackerthreads.com/items.asp?CartId={A645E360-D16F-441F-812C-C1AEVEREST55E12CF94}Cc=GNOMECatMoveby=0Nbm=Pbm=FromNav=
(if link appears broken you can access via the http://www.gnome.org
homepage)
Could we negotiate with them to have the catalog in our pages and the
payment platform in theirs? Not easy.
BTW, what control de we have over the products sold by
hackerthreads.com? Can we tell them what to sell? Can we ask them to
update that logo?
2) What about internationalisation of the products. I mean it makes no
sense to just have orders for US. And it also makes no sense to have
redundant work to be done in every GNOME organisation. Anybody have
thought about that?
We aim to have an international network of official resellers but we are
happy starting with one distribution point and grow as soon as new
resellers appear in other countries. We are starting with Killermundi, a
company based in Spain. We will try to offer decent shipping costs
across Europe, but it will be probably too expensive to ship to other
continents.
What do you mean with redundant work to be done in every GNOME
organisation?
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Re: GNOME store
Hi, Quim Gil wrote: Killermundi will define the final price for each product and the cut that would go to the GNOME Foundation. It would be nice to negociate this and have a price in the contract, rather than leave it up to their good will. This is what I have done in my (failed) attempts in the past. They say though that the price depends a bit on the volume of sales. Can we make an estimation of the initial sales? Difficult - espêcially since we're talking regional rather than world sales. They really shouldn't expect any more than about €20,000 in sales. I have asked also for reduced prices for groups, conferences... Thanks. WEBSITE Would it make sense to have the catalog of products in our website and controlled by us, and then the identification/payment/shipment platform somewhere else, under the responsibility of the reseller. This way we would control totally the presentation of the products. Perhaps this way we could combine in the future the combination of various resellers in different countries: only one catalog and then the payment platform of the vendor corresponding to your shipping address. It doesn't make for a nice user experience if you want to buy a few things, and you end up having to buy off 3 different suppliers. It would be nice to be able to constitute a shopping basket on the site. I prefer having a site per supplier, with a filter page by region. I don't think it's particularly painful having the payment platform off gnome.org, but I hope that they can style it so that it doesn't look completely different. I still think it makes sense to offer the possibility to make a donation to the GNOME Foundation in the checkout. The user is there, is buying GNOME stuff, has introduced her data (shipping address etc) and is about to introduce the credit card / paypal details. It's very easy for her to add a small donation at that point. Sending her to a different web page with a different form to make the donation implies that we are probably to loose that donation. Good idea. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME store
Sorry, forgot one point: DESIGN Who is designing the products? We? Killermundi? Both? Depends on the product? A pin is a pin and hasn't got much mistery (although we could think of offering several colors, now that Máirín has opened Pandora/tone's box). But maybe with the t-shirt or the stickers we want something else? Think out loud. In case of doubt we will make the same approach as we did with the list of products: start simple and introduce more variety depending on sales/success. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME store
PRODUCTS Let's go ahead with these products: * T-shirts * Polo shirts * Stickers * Mugs * Pins Killermundi will define the final price for each product and the cut that would go to the GNOME Foundation. They say though that the price depends a bit on the volume of sales. Can we make an estimation of the initial sales? I have asked also for reduced prices for groups, conferences... WEBSITE Would it make sense to have the catalog of products in our website and controlled by us, and then the identification/payment/shipment platform somewhere else, under the responsibility of the reseller. This way we would control totally the presentation of the products. Perhaps this way we could combine in the future the combination of various resellers in different countries: only one catalog and then the payment platform of the vendor corresponding to your shipping address. We are not going to deal with more than one reseller in the first version of the GNOME store, but it is something to have in mind. DONATIONS I still think it makes sense to offer the possibility to make a donation to the GNOME Foundation in the checkout. The user is there, is buying GNOME stuff, has introduced her data (shipping address etc) and is about to introduce the credit card / paypal details. It's very easy for her to add a small donation at that point. Sending her to a different web page with a different form to make the donation implies that we are probably to loose that donation. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME store
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/GnomeStore updated, adding tasks and initial list of products for sale. On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 10:14 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: The range of projects should be very small, at least to begin. What about * T-shirts * Polo shirts * Stickers * Mugs * Pins One thing we've also discussed on the board is how to handle international customers - the easiest thing for the users who wants to buy a t-shirt is to select his region at the home page, and be taken to a localised page where he gets the stuff from a producer/redistributor in his country/region. By now we will have only one shop based in Spain. Killermundi is trying to find the best prices for European destinations. People in other continents will have expensive mail costs... but at least they will have an opportunity to buy. I would leave for the next release the addition of new resellers in other countries and all the related procedures. agree on a web-site look feel In the case of Killermundi this is not a problem. They need to set up the ecommerce platform and they will appreciate if we have already a layout. co-ordinating product quality from several different people (assuming they're not produced centrally somewhere) I would start assuming that the GNOME products are produced centrally, and that samples are sent to us for quality check before going to the shop. It might be an idea to look for suppliers who can distribute goods in the US and Europe, and who decide where deliveries are sent from based on your address. Could the Hackerthreads be a candidate for US supplier? KDE have finally gone this route: http://www.kde.org/stuff/merchandise.php - it would be good to know how their store is doing. Well, this is a decent patch. A page designed by KDE with links pointing to a unique reseller with no KDE lookfeel (and German locale at least in my browser) i.e. http://www.linux-discount.de/Store/me30/ME30-100-INT/ We can do this in a worst case scenario, although at least with Killermundi we will have something more integrated. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://pinguino.tv signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
