Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[Dave Neary]

Richard Hoelscher a écrit :
Long story short, for the purpose of front-page use, I'm all in favor of 
GNOME being described as "open source" software, not "Open Source", 
"Free Software" or "Open-Source Free Software". Use it as an adjective 
to get the point across that this is a community of good people 
that develop software together, without the emotional baggage. If they 
really want to learn more, they can, but there's no reason to shovel it 
onto the front page.


Personally, I prefer the emotional baggage of free software than the 
misunderstood open source. Usually, we compromise and use the (long 
form) Free and Open Source Software. Which suits me fine.


Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[Richard Hoelscher]

On 9/18/05, J.B. Nicholson-Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought that GNOME was the official desktop of the GNU Project, and thus hadto do with the free software movement, not the open source movement.  Looking at
the Wikipedia reference you included, I see that GNOME actually predates thecoining of the term "open source" and the Open Source Initiative (GNOME startedin August 1997, the OSI and "open source" in February 1998).

 
Poh-tate-ohs and pogh-ta-toes. The vast majority of developers on GNOME think of themselves as part of the kick-ass-software movement People infatuated with the stop energy of free vs open source debate tend to wind up making dead-end projects or P2P (avast, this means "pirate to pirate!") tools at SourceForge. 
 
The GNU Project seems interested in getting credit for their work and thecommunity they started; from
:> We are not against the Open Source movement, but we don't want to be lumped
> in with them. We acknowledge that they have contributed to our community, but> we created this community, and we want people to know this. We want people to> associate our achievements with our values and our philosophy, not with
> theirs. We want to be heard, not obscured behind a group with different> views. To prevent people from thinking we are part of them, we take pains to> avoid using the word ``open'' to describe free software, or its contrary,
> ``closed'', in talking about non-free software.
 
Long story short, for the purpose of front-page use, I'm all in favor of GNOME being described as "open source" software, not "Open Source", "Free Software" or "Open-Source Free Software". Use it as an adjective to get the point across that this is a community of good people that develop software together, without the emotional baggage. If they really want to learn more, they can, but there's no reason to shovel it onto the front page.

 
This sort of thing has been discussed many times before. For example, try looking for RMS posts on foundation-list in the past few years.
 
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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[J.B. Nicholson-Owens]

Andreas Nilsson wrote:

"GNOME is an Open-Source  Operating
System  built to be stable..."
 I think some people would not agree that GNOME is an Operating System. 
GNU/Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris are operating systems, GNOME is a Desktop 
Enviorment (or Desktop Suite as said in the What is GNOME-box sounds nicer).


I thought that GNOME was the official desktop of the GNU Project, and thus had
to do with the free software movement, not the open source movement.  Looking at
the Wikipedia reference you included, I see that GNOME actually predates the
coining of the term "open source" and the Open Source Initiative (GNOME started
in August 1997, the OSI and "open source" in February 1998).

The GNU Project seems interested in getting credit for their work and the
community they started; from
:


We are not against the Open Source movement, but we don't want to be lumped
in with them. We acknowledge that they have contributed to our community, but
we created this community, and we want people to know this. We want people to
associate our achievements with our values and our philosophy, not with
theirs. We want to be heard, not obscured behind a group with different
views. To prevent people from thinking we are part of them, we take pains to
avoid using the word ``open'' to describe free software, or its contrary,
``closed'', in talking about non-free software.

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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[Andreas Nilsson]

rajiv vyas wrote:


Instead of emails and abiword files going back and forth, should we move
text editing to www.writely.com? I can invite the group or individual
members? Of course, if it does not work or people find it inconvenient,
we can move back to the old email/abiword way.


Thanks,

Rajiv
 


How about the gnome wiki at live.gnome.org?
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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[rajiv vyas]

Instead of emails and abiword files going back and forth, should we move
text editing to www.writely.com? I can invite the group or individual
members? Of course, if it does not work or people find it inconvenient,
we can move back to the old email/abiword way.


Thanks,

Rajiv


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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[Andreas Nilsson]

rajiv vyas wrote:


On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 19:45 -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
 


On 9/13/05, Andreas Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   


Hugh Buzacott wrote:

 


I am still pushing for a new GNOME.org so I created a mock-up.

The mock-up is at http://www.geocities.com/bzctt/ and is only a front
page but has links to the rest of normal GNOME.org through the header.

It is just a suggestion so if you have any ideas and so forth just
send them.
   




Are you looking for some inputs on text as well or just on layout?

Rajiv

"GNOME is an Open-Source  
Operating System  built 
to be stable..."
I think some people would not agree that GNOME is an Operating System. 
GNU/Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris are operating systems, GNOME is a Desktop 
Enviorment (or Desktop Suite as said in the What is GNOME-box sounds nicer).


I like the rest though. Still a lot of text, but it's way better than 
the current frontpage.

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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[rajiv vyas]

On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 19:45 -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
> On 9/13/05, Andreas Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hugh Buzacott wrote:
> > 
> > > I am still pushing for a new GNOME.org so I created a mock-up.
> > >
> > > The mock-up is at http://www.geocities.com/bzctt/ and is only a front
> > > page but has links to the rest of normal GNOME.org through the header.
> > >
> > > It is just a suggestion so if you have any ideas and so forth just
> > > send them.


Are you looking for some inputs on text as well or just on layout?

Rajiv


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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[Luis Villa]

On 9/13/05, Andreas Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hugh Buzacott wrote:
> 
> > I am still pushing for a new GNOME.org so I created a mock-up.
> >
> > The mock-up is at http://www.geocities.com/bzctt/ and is only a front
> > page but has links to the rest of normal GNOME.org through the header.
> >
> > It is just a suggestion so if you have any ideas and so forth just
> > send them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Hugh Buzacott.
> >
> > Oh. To view it correctly you have to minimize the 'Sponsored Links'
> > bar at the side.
> >
> Looks nice. Nice to see it implented.
> As Jeff mentioned when I spoke to him on IRC, any kind of reorganisation
> and restyling of content need to aim towards what people want to do.
> People going to gnome.org probably wants to:
> * to find out how to make their gnome better
> * to find developer information
> * to find out what it is
> 
> However, a whole reorganisation is a very brave task and fixing the
> frontpage would atleast be a step in the right direction.

Yeah. It is true that we badly need a complete head-to-toe redesign
(and I'm very excited to see some of that being thought about on this
list and in the wiki) but don't let that need stop someone from
redesigning the front page and making it more attractive while we're
waiting for redesigns to be done. If someone can make the front page
suck less today, it should be done, whether or not the rest of the
redesign is done yet...

Luis

> I would also like to cut down the amount of text in Simple Yet Powerful
> to atleast half in this proposed design. People loose interest very fast
> when reading text online.
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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[Andreas Nilsson]

Hugh Buzacott wrote:


I am still pushing for a new GNOME.org so I created a mock-up.

The mock-up is at http://www.geocities.com/bzctt/ and is only a front 
page but has links to the rest of normal GNOME.org through the header.


It is just a suggestion so if you have any ideas and so forth just 
send them.


Thanks,

Hugh Buzacott.

Oh. To view it correctly you have to minimize the ‘Sponsored Links’ 
bar at the side.



Looks nice. Nice to see it implented.
As Jeff mentioned when I spoke to him on IRC, any kind of reorganisation 
and restyling of content need to aim towards what people want to do.

People going to gnome.org probably wants to:
* to find out how to make their gnome better
* to find developer information
* to find out what it is

However, a whole reorganisation is a very brave task and fixing the 
frontpage would atleast be a step in the right direction.
I would also like to cut down the amount of text in Simple Yet Powerful 
to atleast half in this proposed design. People loose interest very fast 
when reading text online.

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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

Hugh Buzacott wrote:
> I am still pushing for a new GNOME.org so I created a mock-up.

Oh Goody...

> The mock-up is at http://www.geocities.com/bzctt/ and is only a front
> page but has links to the rest of normal GNOME.org through the header.

> It is just a suggestion so if you have any ideas and so forth just send
> them.

Looks nice, smooth, bright and so very GNOME-y. However,

[1] Would it help having smarter, richer, tighter, smoother in one line ?

[2] Anti-aliasing and hardware integration are not really very
touchy-feely tangible thing for the GNOME using grandma - can we ensure
that we have something a bit more apt ?

Good work and I love that *love* message.

Regards
Sankarshan



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Re: Revamped Gnome.org

[Claus Schwarm]

Hi!

You may like to check

http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam_2fWebsiteUpdates

Scroll down for a draft of the web site structure.

One important change is the seperation of a frontpage and what is now
called 'user'. In your mockup, 'support' should thus point to
support/. 

Additionally, the organization according to servers such as
art.gnome.org should vanish: A reader is not interested to learn on
which servers the information is, and experienced readers such as
developers can be expected to manage bookmarks.

Feel free to add info's to the wiki page if you're missing something.

One thing, I missed in the presented design mockups is the right-hand
navigation: When browsing full-screen at 1024x768, the menu is at the
upper right corner. This is bad from a usability point of view.

I've noticed this for our release notes: I just didn't saw the
navigation and wondered if the first page was indeed the complete
release note. Right-hand site menus just work for small, fixed width
layouts, and no mockup fixed it yet.

Btw, I don't think anybody would accept frames. ;-)

Cheers,
Claus



On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:04:04 +1000
Hugh Buzacott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am still pushing for a new GNOME.org so I created a mock-up.
> 
> The mock-up is at http://www.geocities.com/bzctt/ and is only a front
> page but has links to the rest of normal GNOME.org through the header.
> 
> It is just a suggestion so if you have any ideas and so forth just
> send them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Hugh Buzacott.
> 
>  
> 
> Oh. To view it correctly you have to minimize the 'Sponsored Links'
> bar at the side.
> 
> 
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