Re: preparing to market GNOME 3.2
Sumana Harihareswara wrote: According to http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne Monday will mark the end of the feature proposal discussion period for the 3.1.x development series. Once we know what sorts of improvements are going to be in 3.2 We have a good idea of what's going to be worked on. Whether it'll be ready in time is another question of course. ;) (touchscreen support, for instance?), Unlikely, by the looks of the feature page [1]. We're also waiting on other parts of the stack, if my limited understanding is correct. we can figure out what's most salient and who needs to be told about those enhancements, and start prepping our marketing plan. One thing that occurs to me - it would be nice to be tracking the small fixes and polish that are happening. It is easy to forget these changes, but they will be a big part of 3.2. It would be nice to have examples and even metrics to talk about at release time. There is a role for marketing here. The release team have included 'Fix Annoying Things' [2] as one of the 3.2 features. This is partly an exercise in PR, I believe. The ambition is to track and fix annoying (and fixable ;) ) issues have been brought up in reviews and user feedback so that, when 3.2 is released, we can say 'we fixed the annoying things you mentioned last time around'. If anybody has been following the reviews and knows of issues that have been brought up, please add them to the page [2]. We won't need as huge an effort as we had for 3.0, but we'll still be happier if we start light planning early. Five months away Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/Tablets [2] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/FixAnnoyingThings -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: preparing to market GNOME 3.2
So would these bugs be considered as annoying? 1. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647441 alt key for shutdown isn't usable on tablets - but I think a lot of people have complained about it on IRC, people with only one hand could also find this a real drag (then they need to log off and then shutdown which is a lot less convenient, at least in perception). 2. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647828 screen: no option 'never' which the logic implied goes against the one above: here we say we should encourage people to save energy, while suspend by default will use some energy to keep the system status. In fact from looking at the fedora test mailing list I'm sure from the top of my head I could come up with a lot more (I just picked the ones that annoy ME - selfish isn't it?). So the real question is how do we draw the limit? Who gets to pick what's annoying and what's not? Thanks. Fred On 05/06/2011 05:32 PM, Allan Day wrote: Sumana Harihareswara wrote: According to http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne Monday will mark the end of the feature proposal discussion period for the 3.1.x development series. Once we know what sorts of improvements are going to be in 3.2 We have a good idea of what's going to be worked on. Whether it'll be ready in time is another question of course. ;) (touchscreen support, for instance?), Unlikely, by the looks of the feature page [1]. We're also waiting on other parts of the stack, if my limited understanding is correct. we can figure out what's most salient and who needs to be told about those enhancements, and start prepping our marketing plan. One thing that occurs to me - it would be nice to be tracking the small fixes and polish that are happening. It is easy to forget these changes, but they will be a big part of 3.2. It would be nice to have examples and even metrics to talk about at release time. There is a role for marketing here. The release team have included 'Fix Annoying Things' [2] as one of the 3.2 features. This is partly an exercise in PR, I believe. The ambition is to track and fix annoying (and fixable ;) ) issues have been brought up in reviews and user feedback so that, when 3.2 is released, we can say 'we fixed the annoying things you mentioned last time around'. If anybody has been following the reviews and knows of issues that have been brought up, please add them to the page [2]. We won't need as huge an effort as we had for 3.0, but we'll still be happier if we start light planning early. Five months away Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/Tablets [2] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/FixAnnoyingThings -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: preparing to market GNOME 3.2
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:00 +0800, Frederic Muller wrote: So would these bugs be considered as annoying? 1. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647441 alt key for shutdown isn't usable on tablets - but I think a lot of people have complained about it on IRC, people with only one hand could also find this a real drag (then they need to log off and then shutdown which is a lot less convenient, at least in perception). 2. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647828 screen: no option 'never' which the logic implied goes against the one above: here we say we should encourage people to save energy, while suspend by default will use some energy to keep the system status. Those don't look like particularly good candidates to me... In fact from looking at the fedora test mailing list I'm sure from the top of my head I could come up with a lot more (I just picked the ones that annoy ME - selfish isn't it?). So the real question is how do we draw the limit? Who gets to pick what's annoying and what's not? This is the perfect job for you Fred! :D We are looking for bugs that (a) have been brought up by users and/or reviewers (ie. not us ;) ) and (b) are valid (ie. things we want to fix). Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: preparing to market GNOME 3.2
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 11:39 +0100, Allan Day wrote: We are looking for bugs that (a) have been brought up by users and/or reviewers (ie. not us ;) ) and (b) are valid (ie. things we want to fix). Let's not be too restrictive though. The main criteria is that it's annoying and we've fixed it. :) Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
