Re: [Marxism] moderator's note
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 05/01/2011 08:00 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: I would remind comrades that Les is co-moderator of the list even though he is referred to on the website as technical coordinator. Les and I have been working closely together for well over a decade now and he helps to rein me in when I get worked up over something. For example, Les told me that I made a mistake in unsubbing Dan and Angelus and I respected his opinion enough to reverse myself immediately. and this came about, in part, because three people wrote me offlist suggesting Lou had been too quick to unsub. so there is at least one way to get a grievance heard. in addition, i'd like to see more self-moderating by the list as a whole. nothing wrong with comrades chiming in on a thread if they see it get out of hand. if a thread is getting waylaid by two people at each other's throats, someone can come in with a solid post that the rest of us can get into. the more Lou and i see this happen, the better we can gauge the wishes of the list. Les Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Andrew Levine and the lesser evil
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, Levine does cede the possibility of a nose-holding vote for Obama, but he delivers a welcome blow to lesser-evilism when he writes: Lesser evilism is ultimately illogical because lesser evil choices can and do affect future choices in ways that make the lesser evil down the road worse than the greater evil now is. md --- On Sat, 5/7/11, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: ] Despite the title, Andrew Levine’s Counterpunch article “The Illogic of Lesser Evilism: the Obama Example”, opens the door a crack for getting behind Obama once again. Despite saying all sorts of churlish things about Obama, Levine reveals his true orientation in the first and last paragraphs: Barack Obama will likely be the lesser evil in the 2012 election. That may be a reason to vote for him then; perhaps even a compelling reason in some circumstances. But it is not a reason to support him now. ] Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I'm just starting to work it out, but I think the basis for anti-imperialism as an ideology is the notion that somehow capitalism changed its own spots, its mode of accumulation, its source of value, from the organization of labor as wage-labor to some sort of advanced mechanized mode of plunder and looting, i.e the mis-applied and abused concept of primitive accumulation. [Side note, I think it's kind of ironic, that, IMO, for all their differences, Lenin and Luxemburg both seem to turn to external sources or primitive accumulation looting or rents to explain their puzzlement at the vitality of capitalism. I think they are both wrong. Wrong as you can get.]. Anyway, capitalism is not, was not, during the period known as the long deflation 1873-1898 morphing into a rentier system, simultaneously discounting and bribing the working class in the advanced countries through sharing the plunder of the less advanced countries. This doesn't mean that the barbarism and brutality of capitalism weren't greater, harsher etc; it just means that this amounted to no structural, logical change in the mode of accumulation. Anyway, again, I think what gave Lenin's Imperialism, written in the moments of an apparent retreat of the working class, republished during another apparent retreat, its icon status during and after the great defeats suffered by the workers, was this substitute accumulation in which value, the existence of capital in the appropriation of a specific social organization of labor, recedes and ultimately disappears; such that what we are left with is well --is everything and anything from Proudhonist all property is theft, to the developmentalism of so-called national revolutions, to baloney evaluations of China and India and wherever as semi-feudal, semi-colonial etc etc countries where all that counts is opposing imperialism-- the foreign capitalists. Well, the demands of accumulation have put an end to that, even as many try furiously to restore these notions by doubling down so to speak in their support of a Qaddafi, or Assad, or Kirchner, Morales, Chavez etc. The historical truth is that the national anti-imperialist governments, and their supporters served quite handily the overall interests of capitalism as an international system. And no, the hostility of this or that or all the advanced countries to Iran, or Qaddafi, doesn't change that; no more than it changes the bagman's work that OPEC, and all its members have performed on behalf the bourgeoisie, because the US would like to see Chavez and Ahmedinejad gone. What all-- the Kirchners, the Chavezs, the Ahmedinejads must do is suppress the independent effort of the working class to take control of the means of production NOT to simply accumulate more means of production, but rather subjugate production to the fulfillment of the potential of the labor process. Whether its austerity one year, and or expansion the next, it's still capitalism; it's still all about preserving the means of production as property commanding labor, rather than labor consciously directing the means of production. So the problems of accumulation that were suppressed after 2003 through war in Iraq, dollar devaluation, the price rise in oil, restrictions on capital investment all of that has come up a few billion dollars short, and days late. Once again the working class is compelled to take action as a class in the advanced countries. And in the less advanced, the failure of anti-imperialism, of nationalism to do anything more than mimic capitalism, has illuminated the inadequacy of anti-imperialism as an ideology, and the reality of it as a means for suppressing independent revolutionary action. Please excuse the sketchy nature of the above...like I said I'm just trying to put it together... while I'm still finishing the 2nd part of the article on rent. - Original Message - From: Ralph Johansen mdriscol...@charter.net To: sartes...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead This is a timely assertion and further discussion of implications and specifics would be useful. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 5/8/11 12:19 PM, Shane Mage wrote: Even. There is no necessary concordance between the interests of ITT and Anaconda and the overall interests of capitalism as an international system. This sort of Olympian abstraction is not very helpful. The succession of US capitalist governments from FDR to LBJ made major advances in reducing poverty by Social Security, Medicare, minimum-wage laws, etc. Yes, but not at the expense of foreign corporations that, for example, owned all the oil fields in Texas or the coal in West Virginia. Allende's confrontation with American copper companies had an entirely different dynamic. More to the point, the development of Britain, the USA, and western Europe is directly related to the underdevelopment of Latin America, Asia and Africa. The words Monthly Review leave a bad taste in mouth nowadays, mostly because of your feckless younger brother, but Andre G. Frank and Harry Magdoff had this figured out. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == One more thing the cental issue is, not to put too fine a Marxist point on it, is the process of accumulation. Is that process of accumulation dependent, determined by the conditions that Marx analyzed in Capital? Does that process occur on an international scale, expressed in the conditions of labor in less advanced as well as more advanced countries? Or has the process changed, altered, rid itself of its determinants or found new determinants? If the former, then what Marx wrote: not a farthing to this government applies equally to Chavez, Morales, as well as Cameron, Sarkozy, Putin. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: sartes...@earthlink.net Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == unfortunately, this reminds me the well-known night in which all the cows are grey. I honestly don't see how from such an analysis one could throw other political consequences and habits as doing nothing and wait for the world revolution (but only for a synchronized one!) sartesian wrote: If the former, then what Marx wrote: not a farthing to this government applies equally to Chavez, Morales, as well as Cameron, Sarkozy, Putin. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Bolivarian Socialist Movement (Colombia) breaks with Chavez
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == [I translated some parts of what I consider to be the most important points of this article written in Spanish. This latest event shows how Chavez's decision to extradite a supporter of the Bolivarian process to Colombia is making many people and organizations re-consider their political ties with the government. In my view, any support for Venezuela, worker's struggles and so on needs to be as independent as possible from the government. Thus, a break with PSUV, Chavez's party, is crucial as it demobilizes the popular movement and trade unions. Becerra was sent to his death by Chavez. However, this is not the first time the Chavez government deports political exiles. Last year, Chavez deported several Basque left-wing nationalists to Spain and became a target of criticism from left wing organizations in Latin America and Europe. Original spanish version below] On Saturday the Bolivian Socialist Movement (MSB-Colombia) broke with the Chavez government after Chavez handed in Joaquín Pérez Becerra to the right wing government in Colombia. Becerra, who lived in Sweden since 1994 as a political exile due to government persecution, was the editor-in-chief of the left wing web site ANNCOL (Colombian News Agency). The announcement was made public in a letter sent to Chavez by David Corredor, one of the leaders of MSB-Colombia. Becerra’s arrest in Venezuela came as a personal request made by right wing Colombian president Juan Manuel Santos, Chavez’s close ally and his “new best friend” according to Chavez’s words. In the letter, the MSB “make it known to the world that until President Chavez does not reverse this mistake [sending Becerra to his torturers] any possibility of establishing political ties with the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela[in other words, with the Chavez government] is out of the question” Additionally, the MSB asks Chavez not to raise the banner of socialism since he violated socialist principles by deporting Becerra to Colombia. At the same time, the MSB asks Chavez to not justify his policies by quoting historical and universal figures such as Jesus, Simón Bolívar, Augusto César Sandino and Ernesto Che Guevara. Link: http://www.laclase.info/nacionales/movimiento-socialista-bolivariano-de-colombia-rompe-con-chavez-por-entrega-de-joaquin-per Movimiento Socialista Bolivariano de Colombia rompe con Chávez por entrega de Joaquín Pérez Becerra Sáb 07/05/2011 - 14:15 Por: Agencias/ Laclase.info Le pidieron a Chávez que no enarbole más las banderas del Socialismo 6 de Mayo 2011.- El Movimiento Comunero Socialista Bolivariano de Colombia (MSB-Colombia) rompió con el Gobierno del presidente venezolano, Hugo Chávez, por haber entregado al gobierno de Santos a Joaquín Pérez Becerra, director de la agencia colombiana de noticias ANNCOL, exiliado en Suecia, anunció hoy la organización política. El director del MSB Colombia, David Corredor, informó de la decisión en una carta abierta a Chávez que divulgó desde la sede de su partido en Cúcuta, ciudad de la frontera noreste de su país con Venezuela. El MSB Colombia declara al mundo que hasta tanto no se corrija la grave falta del presidente Chávez, se margina de cualquier posibilidad de acercamiento con la Revolución Bolivariana de Venezuela. Asimismo, invitó al Ejecutivo en Caracas que tome urgentes medidas necesarias para corregir y enmendar el grave perjuicio causado con la entrega arbitraria de Joaquín Pérez Becerra al Gobierno de Colombia. Joaquín Pérez Becerra fue deportado a Colombia el pasado 25 de abril, tres días después de haber sido detenido en el aeropuerto de Maiquetía que sirve a Caracas, donde viajó en un vuelo procedente de Fránkfurt, Alemania El arresto lo solicitó personalmente a Chávez el presidente colombiano, Juan Manuel Santos, un estrecho aliado a quien Chávez considera su nuevo mejor amigo. El colombiano, exiliado en Suecia desde 1994, se desempeñaba como periodista en Estocolmo, donde dirigía la Agencia de Noticias Nueva Colombia (Anncol) dedicada a difundir noticias sobre el acontecer político de Colombia. En su país, Joaquín Pérez Becerra afrontaba un proceso judicial amañado por presunto concierto para delinquir, financiamiento del terrorismo y administración de recursos relacionados con actividades terroristas. La organización bolivariana colombiana también le pidió a Chávez que no enarbole más las banderas del socialismo por haber violado, con la deportación de Pérez, sus principios fundamentales. Del mismo modo, que no justifique su política con citas de hombres universales como Jesús de Nazareth, Simón Bolívar, Augusto César Sandino y Ernesto Che Guevara. Dos días después de la deportación de Pérez, el MSB Colombia
Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Wait a minute, I submit an evaluation, somebody responds by saying that's interesting what do you mean; I expand--- and you get your knickers in a twists because I take exception to your sympathy for popular front figureheads? You want to avoid repititious debates? Try not foisting entirely superficial 'analyses' of Allende on others. Some of us have actually studied that government. But you keep on keepin on there comrade, without every coming to grips with the core issues, just so you can wind up endorsing the next Allende, the next Chavez; the next radical socialist nationalist who makes it a point to suppress the workers' own organizations as Allende most certainly did. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 5/8/11 12:53 PM, S. Artesian wrote: Wait a minute, I submit an evaluation, somebody responds by saying that's interesting what do you mean; I expand--- and you get your knickers in a twists because I take exception to your sympathy for popular front figureheads? Okay, let's get down to the essentials. You are basically putting forward an argument that the other side in the debate is reformist. You have been doing this in one form or another in the 10 years you have been on this mailing list. NOBODY ELSE DOES THIS. Frankly, the main reason I have tolerated this is because you are not a member of a sect. If you included a sig like The Pannekoek Circles--Revolutionary, you would have been unsubbed long ago. The last time you unsubbed, around the time I dropped Lippmann, the level of vituperation on this mailing list dropped off precipitously. I found myself quite pleased with this development and will do everything in my power to maintain it. Understand? If you want to fight reformism, I invite you to do it elsewhere. Or, if you are going to do it, you have to understand that there is a definite time-limit because the longer it goes on, the more that temperatures rise--including my own. As someone who has the ultimate power over this mailing list, that is all that matters in the final analysis. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] chipotle restaurants and undocumented workers
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Chipotle Restaurants, based in Denver and headed by Steve Ells, a judge on a recent NBC show (America’s Next Great Restaurant), is under investigation for massive hiring of undocumented workers. I think undocumented workers should have full employment rights and be granted immediate amnesty. The chain, which has 1,084 restaurants and sales of $1.8 billion, currently employs 27,000 workers but has a turnover rate of about 100 percent a year. It plans to hire 100,000 workers over the next three years. Draw your own conclusions as to what this might tell us about wages, working conditions, unpaid wages when workers quit, and so forth. A Reuters story says that Denver-based Chipotle has won plaudits from Wall Street for its seemingly uncanny ability to hold down labor costs. That ability has been a major factor behind its six-fold increase in share price since late 2008. The company has a finely honed image as a progressive restaurant operator. As one industry analyst said, Their whole branding strategy is a company that does things right — healthful foods, humane treatment of animals, progressive procedures. Ells once said, We decided long ago that we didn't want Chipotle's success to be tied to the exploitation of animals, farmers, or the environment, but the engagement of our customers. No mention here of the workers! Ells went to school in Boulder, Colorado, and this sounds a lot like the liberal claptrap we’d here so often when we lived there. See denverpost.com for details. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 91, Issue 20
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Should the moderators wish to consider it, there is a limit that may be reasonable to be enforced. Political criticism is acceptable. Personal attacks are not, and will result, after suitable warning, with removal from the list. Example: Suppose I write that “it is quite clear that the Bulgarian peasant movement of 1923 led inexorably to the rise of a bourgeois nationalist regime in Venezuela today.” Personal attack in reply: “You are a fool and an idiot. You make no sense. Why do you write stupid trash. You are nothing but an agent of U.S. Imperialism.” That is a personal attack on the writer. That would be grounds for removal from the list. Political criticisms in reply: “The argument that the Bulgarian peasant movement of 1923 led inexorably to the rise of a bourgeois nationalist regime in Venezuela today has no foundation in fact, and is complete nonsense. It contributes less than nothing to our understanding of anything. Furthermore, a bourgeois nationalist regime is worthy of defense when attacked by the U.S. Empire, and failure to make that clear serves the U.S. Empire.” This criticizes, however harshly, the argument, rather than invidiously characterizing the person, and therefore would be acceptable. Solidarity, T -Original Message- From: marxism-requ...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Sent: May 8, 2011 2:00 PM To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net Subject: Marxism Digest, Vol 91, Issue 20 Send Marxism mailing list submissions to marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to marxism-requ...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu You can reach the person managing the list at marxism-ow...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Marxism digest... == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Today's Topics: 1. Re: Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he werealready dead (Louis Proyect) 2. Re: Should we treat Perez Bocerra asthough he werealready dead (S. Artesian) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 13:01:57 -0400 From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead Message-ID: 4dc6cc85.9050...@panix.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 5/8/11 12:53 PM, S. Artesian wrote: Wait a minute, I submit an evaluation, somebody responds by saying that's interesting what do you mean; I expand--- and you get your knickers in a twists because I take exception to your sympathy for popular front figureheads? Okay, let's get down to the essentials. You are basically putting forward an argument that the other side in the debate is reformist. You have been doing this in one form or another in the 10 years you have been on this mailing list. NOBODY ELSE DOES THIS. Frankly, the main reason I have tolerated this is because you are not a member of a sect. If you included a sig like The Pannekoek Circles--Revolutionary, you would have been unsubbed long ago. The last time you unsubbed, around the time I dropped Lippmann, the level of vituperation on this mailing list dropped off precipitously. I found myself quite pleased with this development and will do everything in my power to maintain it. Understand? If you want to fight reformism, I invite you to do it elsewhere. Or, if you are going to do it, you have to understand that there is a definite time-limit because the longer it goes on, the more that temperatures rise--including my own. As someone who has the ultimate power over this mailing list, that is all that matters in the final analysis. -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 13:17:24 -0400 From: S. Artesian sartes...@earthlink.net To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra asthough he were already dead Message-ID: E641508B9C7844A4BB757EF9ECDBB11D@dmsthinkpad Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I didn't say anything about reformism. You're the one expressing
[Marxism] Photos and leaftlets of May Day in Lima
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Photos of May Day in Lima: http://leftspot-lima.blogspot.com/2011/05/may-day-2011.html *NEW* Some leaflets gathered at the march *NEW* http://leftspot-lima.blogspot.com/2011/05/may-day-2011-flyers.html -- - Juan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 91, Issue 20
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 5/8/11 2:46 PM, T wrote: Political criticisms in reply: “The argument that the Bulgarian peasant movement of 1923 led inexorably to the rise of a bourgeois nationalist regime in Venezuela today has no foundation in fact, and is complete nonsense. It contributes less than nothing to our understanding of anything. Furthermore, a bourgeois nationalist regime is worthy of defense when attacked by the U.S. Empire, and failure to make that clear serves the U.S. Empire.” This criticizes, however harshly, the argument, rather than invidiously characterizing the person, and therefore would be acceptable. Solidarity, T As it turns out, there is no greater insult in Marxist circles than to be called a reformist. I would rather be called an asshole (and actually enjoy it, if not plead guilty of the charge) than a reformist. I doubt that many people have read this, but I have something written up on www.marxmail.org: MODERATION PRINCIPLES: The Marxism mailing list is extremely permissive. There are a couple of things that are frowned upon strongly. If you come to the list with the attitude that you are a true Bolshevik, who needs to convert 'Mensheviks' to your beliefs, you will be unsubbed. Members of self-declared vanguard parties who can adjust to the tolerant atmosphere of the list are more than welcome, since they usually bring with them years of Marxist study and political experience. We also welcome non-Marxists who come to the list in a respectful attitude, desiring to learn more. However, if you have decided for yourself that Marxism is wrong and that your purpose on the list is to struggle to convince others of that, you should not subscribe. The Internet has many forums where Marxists and anti-Marxists can debate. This is not one of them. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On May 8, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Tom Cod wrote: How about a united front against Pinochet fascism. Is this barndoorism? Shane Mage scientific discovery is basically recognition of obvious realities that self-interest or ideology have kept everybody from paying attention to Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] U.S. Attorney Escalates Attacks on Civil Liberties of Anti-War, Palestinian Human Rights Activists
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == U.S. Attorney Escalates Attacks on Civil Liberties of Anti-War, Palestinian Human Rights ActivistsCall U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald first thing Monday morning! On Friday, May 6, the U.S. government froze the bank accounts of Hatem Abudayyeh and his wife, Naima. This unwarranted attack on a leading member of the Palestinian community in Chicago is the latest escalation of the repression of anti-war and Palestinian community organizers by the FBI, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder. Hatem Abudayyeh is one of 23 activists from Minnesota, Michigan, and Illinois subpoenaed to a federal grand jury in Chicago, and his home was raided by the FBI in September of last year. Neither Hatem Abudayyeh nor Naima Abudayyeh have been charged with any crime. One of the bank accounts frozen was exclusively in Naima Abudayyeh’s name. Leaders of the national Committee to Stop FBI Repression, as well as Chicago’s Coalition to Protect People’s Rights are appalled at the government’s attempt to restrict the family’s access to its finances, especially so soon before Mothers’ Day. Not only does the government’s action seriously disrupt the lives of the Abudayyehs and their five-year-old daughter, but it represents an attack on Chicago’s Arab community and activist community and the fundamental rights of Americans to freedom of speech. The persecution of the Abudayyeh family is another example of the criminalization of Palestinians, their supporters, and their movement for justice and liberation. There has been widespread criticism of the FBI and local law enforcement for their racial profiling and scapegoating of Arab and Muslim Americans. These repressive tactics include infiltration of community centers and mosques, entrapment of young men, and the prominent case of 11 students from the University of California campuses at Irvine and Riverside who have been subpoenaed to a grand jury and persecuted for disrupting a speech by Michael Oren, Israeli Ambassador to the US. The government’s attempt to conflate the anti-war and human rights movements with terrorism is a cynical attempt to capitalize on the current political climate in order to silence Palestinians and other people of conscience who exercise their First Amendment rights in a manner which does not conform to the administration’s foreign policy agenda in the Middle East. The issuance of subpoenas against the 23 activists has been met with widespread opposition and criticism across the country. Six members of the U.S. Congress, including five in the past month, have sent letters to either Holder or President Obama, expressing grave concern for the violations of the civil liberties and rights of the 23 activists whose freedom is on the line. Three additional U.S. representatives have also promised letters, as thousands of constituents and other people of conscience across the U.S. have demanded an end to this assault on legitimate political activism and dissent. Over 60 Minnesota state legislators also issued a resolution condemning the subpoenas. The Midwest activists have been expecting indictments for some time. The freezing of the Abudayyeh family's bank accounts suggests that the danger of indictments is imminent. Take action Monday, May 9: Call U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald at 312-353-5300. Then dial 0 (zero) for the operator and ask to leave a message with the Duty Clerk. Demand Fitzgerald -- Unfreeze the bank accounts of the Abudayyeh family and -- Stop repression against Palestinian, anti-war and international solidarity activists. In solidarity, The Committee to Stop FBI Repression and The Coalition to Protect People’s Rights For more info go to StopFBI.net Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Take Action: U.S. Attorney Escalates Attacks on Palestinian Activists
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 3:15 PM, US Palestinian Community Network us...@uspcn.org wrote: * US Palestinian Community Network* *Web: **http://www.uspcn.org http://www.palestineconference.org/ + Email:**us...@uspcn.org us...@palestineconference.org + Twitter: ** @uspcn http://twitter.com/uspcn* U.S. Attorney Escalates Attacks on Civil Liberties of Anti-War, Palestinian Human Rights Activistshttp://uspcn.org/2011/05/08/take-action-u-s-attorney-escalates-attacks-on-civil-liberties-of-anti-war-palestinian-human-rights-activists/ *Call U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald first thing Monday morning!*(contact info at bottom of this email) *On Friday, May 6, the U.S. government froze the bank accounts of Hatem Abudayyeh and his wife, Naima.* This unwarranted attack on a leading member of the Palestinian community in Chicago is the latest escalation of the repression of anti-war and Palestinian community organizers by the FBI, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder. Hatem Abudayyeh is one of 23 activists from Minnesota, Michigan, and Illinois subpoenaed to a federal grand jury in Chicago, and his home was raided by the FBI in September of last year. Neither Hatem Abudayyeh nor Naima Abudayyeh have been charged with any crime. One of the bank accounts frozen was exclusively in Naima Abudayyeh’s name. Leaders of the national Committee to Stop FBI Repression, as well as Chicago’s Coalition to Protect People’s Rights are appalled at the government’s attempt to restrict the family’s access to its finances, especially so soon before Mothers’ Day. Not only does the government’s action seriously disrupt the lives of the Abudayyehs and their five-year-old daughter, but it represents an *attack on Chicago’s Arab community and activist community and the fundamental rights of Americans to freedom of speech. * The persecution of the Abudayyeh family is another *example of the criminalization of Palestinians, their supporters, and their movement for justice and liberation*. There has been widespread criticism of the FBI and local law enforcement for their racial profilingand scapegoating of Arab and Muslim Americans. These repressive tactics include infiltration of community centers and mosques, entrapment of young men, and the prominent case of 11 students from the University of California campuses at Irvine and Riverside who have been subpoenaed to a grand jury and persecuted for disrupting a speech by Michael Oren, Israeli Ambassador to the US. The government’s attempt to conflate the anti-war and human rights movements with terrorism is a cynical attempt to capitalize on the current political climate in order to silence Palestinians and other people of conscience who exercise their First Amendment rights in a manner which does not conform to the administration’s foreign policy agenda in the Middle East. The issuance of subpoenas against the 23 activists has been met with widespread opposition and criticism across the country. *Six members of the U.S. Congress, including five in the past month, have sent letters to either Holder or President Obama*, expressing grave concern for the violations of the civil liberties and rights of the 23 activists whose freedom is on the line. Three additional U.S. representatives have also promised letters, as thousands of constituents and other people of conscience across the U.S. have demanded an end to this assault on legitimate political activism and dissent. Over 60 Minnesota state legislators also issued a resolution condemning the subpoenas. The Midwest activists have been expecting indictments for some time. The freezing of the Abudayyeh family's bank accounts suggests that the danger of indictments is imminent. *Take action Monday, May 9: Call U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald at 312-353-5300.* Then dial 0 (zero) for the operator and ask to leave a message with the Duty Clerk. *Demand Fitzgerald -- Unfreeze the bank accounts of the Abudayyeh family and -- Stop repression against Palestinian, anti-war and international solidarity activists.* In solidarity, The Committee to Stop FBI Repression and The Coalition to Protect People’s Rights For more info go to StopFBI.net http://stopfbi.net/ *US Palestinian Community Network (USPCN) is a grassroots community network with over twenty democratically-elected chapters. The network affirms the right of Palestinians in the Shatat (exile) to participate fully in shaping our destiny. USPCN is anchored in the following points of unity: * *Self-determination and equality for the Palestinian people;* *The right of all Palestinian refugees to return to their original homes, lands, properties and villages (an inalienable
[Marxism] Allende
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Allende was anti-imperialism at work, and what that work required was the suppression of the independent actions of the proletariat, a work which Allende's Unidad Popular government, bolstered by our favorite anti-imperialists, the PCP undertook determinedly, especially when those workers were a bit unsatisfied with their treatment by the national bourgeoisie, and took matter into their own hands. Get real, he did not have a majority in the congress, could not get his budget through and was very limited in what he could do financially, and legislatively. There was no chance of the the working class coming to power by non constitutional means at that point given that they had no armed organisation remotely capable of beating the army. The University of Glasgow, charity number SC004401 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Allende
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == No, but there were popular councils organizing in the communities, factories and armed forces, that if instead of being discouraged by the Allende regime, had been bolstered and armed, a different outcome could have occurred. Think Spain in 1936 for example. Michel Raptis aka Pablo has a good discussion of this process in his 1974 book Revolution and Counter-Revolution in Chile On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Paul Cockshott william.cocksh...@glasgow.ac.uk wrote: Get real, he did not have a majority in the congress, could not get his budget through and was very limited in what he could do financially, and legislatively. There was no chance of the the working class coming to power by non constitutional means at that point given that they had no armed organisation remotely capable of beating the army. The University of Glasgow, charity number SC004401 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already dead
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == What exactly is the political point you are trying to make? The old sectarian screed against the Popular Front? When one is trying to build a defensive coalition, yeah it might be wise to open the barn door or have a big tent approach to obtain as many allies as possible-while watching one's back obviously. Intuition, if not dogma, should make that fairly obvious. On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Shane Mage shm...@pipeline.com wrote: On May 8, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Tom Cod wrote: How about a united front against Pinochet fascism. Is this barndoorism? Shane Mage Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Allende
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == by not relying on those institutions. by building alternative institutions as was done in Catalonia in 1936, Petrograd in 1917, Cuba and haltingly in Venezuela now which doesn't mean copping some sectarian or dogmatic attitude or having foreign state support. Yes, NOT rely on the power structure of the oligarchy's armed forces obviously. These councils (soviet:Russian word for council) Raptis talked about had nothing to do with that, although they would've welcomed dissident officers. That was what the problem was in Indonesia. Overly relying on the Sukarno and then getting massacred when he fell, just like in Chile-only worse-and not being able to even put up a fight. The right wing tried that on Chavez in 2002 with differing results because, as Tariq Ali has explained, he and his followers had learned that lesson. On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Juan Fajardo fajar...@ix.netcom.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == william.cocksh...@glasgow.ac.uk wrote: There was no chance of the the working class coming to power by non constitutional means at that point given that they had no armed organisation remotely capable of beating the army. On 5/8/2011 2:26 PM, Tom Cod wrote: No, but there were popular councils ... that if instead of being discouraged by the Allende regime, had been ... armed, a different outcome could have occurred. And how do you suppose that could have been accomplished while bypassing the military and the Carabineros? Even supportive generals like Pratts would not have gone for such a thing. And how to finance and organize it if UP couldn't get a budget passed in Congress? Arms donations from the USSR or China? Think to Indonesia for a moment, and see how that worked out. - Juan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/tomcod3%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Allende
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Moreover, the idea that an even more conciliatory attitude would have prevented this as the CP put out thereafter, is naive. It may sound like hyperbole but by the early 70s the main section of the ruling class and the military elites in South America had opted for fascism in very blatant way, being determined to wipe out subversives and the left completely, which meant having no tolerance for liberalism which they saw as its incubus or starting point. Put differently, as the military slogan of the Guatemalan genocide of 60-90s was: to catch the fish, drain the ocean. Jacobo Timmerman, a Jewish Argentine liberal newspaper editor, in his memoir, Prisoner without a name, Cell without a number, describes being tortured in a room that had a framed picture of Adolf Hitler (a country with hundreds of actual German Nazi WW2 veterans younger than Vietnam vets today) in it and what this regime meant to him as an ordinary liberal and in fact in these places the New Left was mostly completely exterminated during the late 1970s, something that hasn't gotten a lot of play in the history books. An acquaintance of mine from Argentina described how when she was 14 in high school circa 1978, one of her classmates was handing out leaflets. An older guy came and took him away and he was never seen or heard from again. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Pham Binh's website
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Binh wrote the guest post review of Chris Williams's book Ecology and Socialism on my blog the other day. For those who want to read other articles by Binh, I invite you to check out: http://planetanarchy.net/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Concluding declaration: A Joint Struggle for an End to Israeli Occupation and Racism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Concluding declaration of the 7 May 2011 conference in Hebron entitled A Joint Struggle for an End to Israeli Occupation and Racism To read the declaration: http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/news/3578-concluding-declaration-of-the-conference-a-joint-struggle-for-an-end-to-the-occupation-and-racism - -- Michael Schembri http://www.il-kecwiel.blogspot.com/ From the river to the sea, Palestine will free! The Shoah is over, it is finished. The Nakba is not over. - Shlomo Sand Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
