Re: [Marxism] Towards a Socialist Australia: latest draft
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == For my money, it's a much better document than the previous draft. I was particularly impressed by reading it after thinking about the March in March phenomenon (http://marchinmarch.com.au/ ), a grassroots response to the reactionary rampage of the vile Abbott government, who are doing there very best to destroy anything positive about Australia - the Great Barrier Reef, our pathetic remnant forests, unions, healthcare, education... well anything really. This is the response we need, and it's the kind of thing Towards a Socialist Australia point too. This is good. Should I say something more interesting? March in March is most probably a one-off, awesome though it is. But it points towards the kind of movement we need. It also is an interesting reality check for the Australian left - do we actually have cadres? Can our comrades respond to this kind of break out? If we can't we should dissolve all our organisations and go to the pub. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Exclusive excerpts from Ernest Tate's 'Revolutionary Activism in the 1950s 60s' | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 3/6/14 4:53 AM, glparramatta wrote: March 5, 2014 -- Resistance Books (Britain) has kindly given permission for /Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal/ to publish excerpts from long-time Canadian revolutionary socialist Ernie Tate's just-published two-volume memoirs, /Revolutionary Activism in the 1950s 60s. / http://links.org.au/node/3743 I haven't begun to read this yet but based on an interview I did with Ernie and Jess McKenzie (his wife who has her own great stories as a socialist veteran) in Miami Beach, the book is going to be both very educational and fun to read. https://vimeo.com/57896670 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Trouble in Paradise | Earth Island Journal | Earth Island Institute
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[Marxism] The poor are celebrating and the rich are protesting: decent coverage of Venezuela from the AFP
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == In the capital, the ideological divide is also split geographically between east and west -- the defiant middle-class on one side, a socialist slum on the other ... Opposition leader Henrique Capriles, who lost last year's presidential election by a whisker, says the protest movement will not force any political change as long as the country's poor stay home. http://yhoo.it/1lC4s4o -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] How the U.S. and Israel Use Similar Techniques of Racist Policing and Mass Incarceration
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.alternet.org/world/racist-policing-and-mass-incarceration-shared-values-america-and-israel?page=0%2C1akid=11570.201902.Q6pQ96rd=1src=newsletter966557t=19paging=offcurrent_page=1#bookmark Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The Ukrainian crisis and the interests of Russian capitalism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This can be read as Putin speaking to the US and its NATO allies through a respectable intermediary. It proposes a settlement which would evidently provide the Russian bourgeoisie with the reassurance it deems necessary that the recent events in the Ukraine neither reflect, nor will result, in an imperialist plot to encircle it. The writer is dean of the faculty of international economics and foreign affairs of the National Research University at the Higher School of Economics in Moscow - MG Russia needs to defend its interests with an iron fist By Sergey Karaganov Financial Times March 5 2014 The disintegration of the Soviet Union was not viewed as a defeat by the Russian people, but the west treats Russia as a defeated nation all the same. President Vladimir Putin has been trying to bring together most of the countries of the former Soviet Union in an economic alliance. This would have strengthened the region’s economic competitiveness and helped ward off the kind of instability that bedevilled the Weimar Republic after the dissolution of the German Empire. However, the west has done more or less everything it could to prevent this legitimate rapprochement. The Ukrainian elite has been unable to steer its country towards a more prosperous future. In 1990 Ukraine’s gross domestic product per capita was similar to that of Belarus; today, it is half. Each change of government has brought a worse cadre of incompetents and thieves into Kiev’s corridors of power. The elections in 2004 – in which the west openly interfered – ushered in the presidency of Viktor Yushchenko: nationalist, unbelievably incompetent but staunchly pro-western. In 2010 he was replaced by Viktor Yanukovich, whose flaws were just as deep. This discredited elite has clung to power by playing off Russia and the west, extracting favours in return for fleeting professions of allegiance. The last round came when the EU, humiliated by a string of rejections, offered an association deal that would have precluded Ukrainian participation in the Russian-led customs union. Mr Yanukovich, hoping either to secure a loan from the west or to blackmail Russia into generosity, pretended to embrace Europe. When Russia responded with the promise of a loan, Mr Yanukovich duly switched sides. Demonstrators who were disgusted by this behaviour took to the streets of Kiev. Soon they were joined by murky rightwing fringe groups, who attacked police with firebombs on and off for weeks. The Russian government believes these protesters were openly supported by the west. Then the shooting began and Ukraine plunged deeper into chaos. These events happened against the backdrop of a campaign of anti-Russian propaganda and smears that lasted for more than a year. I lived through two decades of the Cold War, but I am hard pressed to remember such an avalanche of lies. This took an especially vicious form during the Olympic Games in Sochi, which were a triumph for Russia and its athletes. In Russia pundits saw a clear purpose in this campaign: to lay the ground for a new policy of containment. This refreshed memories of the double standards and lies that have been characteristic of the west’s behaviour for the past 20 years. We were reminded of the eastward expansion of Nato, over the pleas and protests of a weakened Russian state. Had Ukraine been absorbed into the alliance, Russia’s strategic position would have become intolerable. When calls for reason proved powerless to stop Nato’s expansion, Russia halted it instead with an iron fist. In 2008 Russia responded to an attack by Georgian troops that killed Russian peacekeepers and scores of Ossetian civilians. Ukraine has since designated itself a nonaligned state, although Nato officials continued to try to lure it. It is against this background that Russia’s actions over the past week must be seen. The iron fist is once again being shown to revanchists seeking consolation for the geopolitical and moral loses of the last decade. Of course, some in the Russian establishment also want to strengthen their positions or cover past mistakes by seeking confrontation with the west. To prevent the situation from deteriorating further, all sides now need to calm down. A trilateral conversation on the future of Ukraine should take place between that country, Russia and the EU, as Moscow has repeatedly proposed. The outline of a compromise is clear. A federal structure for Ukrainian institutions – and a switch to a parliamentary system in place of a presidential one – would enable the people of each region to make their own choices over language and cultural allegiance. Ownership and control of the gas transportation system should be shared between
[Marxism] Meltdown at RT over Ukraine/Russia coverage? [with videos] And More
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Clay, you're kill'n me. WTF??? How does Ohms law get inserted in this discussion...? Also, what's with the (?). There is no ? in Ohms law. There is Resistance. Represented by R. Or, R' which the apostrophe meaning a constant (the resistance in any circuit doesn't change when using this formula, the other characteristics do in relation to each other). I=V/R. Write it correctly in your blog, please. Wiki has a much better explanation of it than you give. Just cut and paste the sucker if your are looking to use it in some stretch of a political metaphor. (and no, I didn't read the article since you didn't provide any reason to). Ugh. David Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Meltdown at RT over Ukraine/Russia coverage? [with videos] And More
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There is no ? in Ohms law. My point exactly - what appears in the () is the Greek letter omega which apparently some character-sets replace with a ? because they don't support it. I appears correctly in the article you didn't read. Ohms law get inserted in this discussion...? Without Ohm's law there would be no discussion. Clay Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Some Humor Perhaps - A Cartoon Strip On Political Sects
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Just ran across this - I guess you could call it a blog. Great cartoonstrips on political sects - a la the various discussions/critiques that have sprung up recently on Marxmail. http://greatmomentsinleftism.blogspot.de - Bill --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Russian National Television Features Primetime Interview with LaRouche
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[Marxism] In defence of Julian Assange | Books | The Guardian
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[Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://nypost.com/2014/03/06/bitcoin-firm-ceo-jumped-to-her-death-neighbor/ What does it mean that I have no idea what Bitcoin is? Am I getting old? Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Toby Abse on FI on Ukraine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I thought comrades may be intrested in the following letter in this week's Weekly Worker: FI and Ukraine The left’s response to the recent developments in the Ukraine has taken a very wide variety of forms. Some have taken a variant of the third camp position (with greater or lesser emphasis on the role of the working class), while others adopt either critical or uncritical support for Russia’s intervention. However, the position of the Fourth International stands out like a sore thumb. It endorses the recent coup, which it refuses to call a coup (see statement of March 2 by the International Committee of the Fourth International) and it declares support for “the social and political forces which are trying to build a left opposition within that movement”. In practice this is a call for some kind of united front - doubtless of a very special type - with the neo-Nazis. Yanukovych’s regime is described as “oligarchic and criminal”, but no such condemnation is made of the successor regime. It makes repeated references to such non-Marxist, cross-class abstractions as “the population” and “the Ukrainian people as a whole” in a vein reminiscent of the worst of Laclau and Mouffe. However, the opaque and contorted language of the document is a cover for the openly pro-Banderist and social-imperialist line being put forward by Duncan Chapel, a leading member of the British section, who tries to claim there are no Nazis in the Ukrainian government, whose legitimacy he enthusiastically endorses. When confronted by a full list of Svoboda members of the cabinet, he claims that not everybody in Svoboda is a Nazi - as if anybody joins a rabidly anti-Semitic organisation that openly uses swastikas and Celtic crosses and regards Stepan Bandera - the murderously anti- Semitic leader of Ukrainian forces who collaborated with Hitler against the USSR during World War II - as its great hero, under the misapprehension it is some version of the Lib Dems. Toby Abse email Jim Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Toby Abse on FI on Ukraine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 3/6/14 6:04 PM, turb...@aol.com wrote: I thought comrades may be intrested in the following letter in this week's Weekly Worker: FI and Ukraine The left’s response to the recent developments in the Ukraine has taken a very wide variety of forms. Some have taken a variant of the third camp position (with greater or lesser emphasis on the role of the working class), while others adopt either critical or uncritical support for Russia’s intervention. However, the position of the Fourth International stands out like a sore thumb. It endorses the recent coup, which it refuses to call a coup (see statement of March 2 by the International Committee of the Fourth International) and it declares support for “the social and political forces which are trying to build a left opposition within that movement”. Well, at least it is consistent with their support for Bashar al-Assad. Maybe they should fuse with John Rees's sect. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Toby Abse on FI on Ukraine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Actually, Svoboda does NOT use swastikas and Celtic crosses. These are used by small far right groups and nazi-skinhead subculture but no fore with serious political ambitions. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Am 07.03.2014 00:00, schrieb Louis Proyect: http://nypost.com/2014/03/06/bitcoin-firm-ceo-jumped-to-her-death-neighbor/ What does it mean that I have no idea what Bitcoin is? Am I getting old? Bitcoin is an attempt to create an alternative virtual currency outside the control of governments or central banks. I've always though it was a bit of a utopian capitalist project and now it all seems to be coming unstuck. Unfortunately, it appears to be people associated with the collapse of this effort who are jumping out of tall buildings rather than the fatcat bankers who are still raking in their bonuses worth millions while their banks are being rescued using billions of public money! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's been in the news quite a bit . . . at least NPR . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin . . but, yes, Louis, we are getting old. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Think tulip bulbs or the Mississippi Bubble. T -Original Message- From: Einde O'Callaghan eind...@freenet.de Sent: Mar 6, 2014 6:27 PM To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Am 07.03.2014 00:00, schrieb Louis Proyect: http://nypost.com/2014/03/06/bitcoin-firm-ceo-jumped-to-her-death-neighbor/ What does it mean that I have no idea what Bitcoin is? Am I getting old? Bitcoin is an attempt to create an alternative virtual currency outside the control of governments or central banks. I've always though it was a bit of a utopian capitalist project and now it all seems to be coming unstuck. Unfortunately, it appears to be people associated with the collapse of this effort who are jumping out of tall buildings rather than the fatcat bankers who are still raking in their bonuses worth millions while their banks are being rescued using billions of public money! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/thomasfbarton%40earthlink.net Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story buildisinglying to her death | New York Post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == All this bitcoin talk reminds me of Friedrich Hayek's proposals for private currencies. http://mises.org/books/denationalisation.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denationalization_of_Money Not surprisingly, the greatest fans of bitcoins seem to be libertarians. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: T thomasfbar...@earthlink.net To: farmela...@juno.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 19:36:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Think tulip bulbs or the Mississippi Bubble. T -Original Message- From: Einde O'Callaghan eind...@freenet.de Sent: Mar 6, 2014 6:27 PM To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Am 07.03.2014 00:00, schrieb Louis Proyect: http://nypost.com/2014/03/06/bitcoin-firm-ceo-jumped-to-her-death-neighbor/ What does it mean that I have no idea what Bitcoin is? Am I getting old? Bitcoin is an attempt to create an alternative virtual currency outside the control of governments or central banks. I've always though it was a bit of a utopian capitalist project and now it all seems to be coming unstuck. Unfortunately, it appears to be people associated with the collapse of this effort who are jumping out of tall buildings rather than the fatcat bankers who are still raking in their bonuses worth millions while their banks are being rescued using billions of public money! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/thomasfbarton%40earthlink.net Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/farmelantj%40juno.com Never Eat This Carb Literally Never! 1 Easy Tip to Increase Fat Burning, Lower Blood Sugar http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53191a39e92d81a3925fbst03vuc Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Tatar Sunni Muslims pose a threat to Russia's occupation of Crimea | World news | theguardian.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Actually I was wondering if this history might provide a Marxist reason for saying that in the case of Crimea, the normal right of self-determination does not apply and the planned vote on Crimean alignment is illegitimate. If the Crimean Tatars have a history going back to at least 1441, if Crimea is their only home, if they were a majority before Stalin reduced their numbers to near zero and replaced them with Russians. Only since 1989 have they been able to return and already their numbers are up to 12%. Why should the still majority Russian population be allowed to short stop this rebalancing by suddenly exercising their right of self-determination to consummate the Russian land grab? Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/ http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/tartar- ukraine-sunni-muslims-threat-russian-rule-crimea Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/ marxism/clayclai%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Tatar Sunni Muslims pose a threat to Russia's occupation of Crimea | World news | theguardian.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Russian referendum imposed on Crimea is obviously bogus. And the existing Crimean Tatar leadership there, gathered in their mejlis, have said piss off, we're Ukrainian, and we'll decide ourselves how to address our real problems both as Ukrainians and as Tatars. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/tartar- ukraine-sunni-muslims-threat-russian-rule-crimea Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/ marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Tatar Sunni Muslims pose a threat to Russia's occupation of Crimea | World news | theguardian.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I'm thinking about the citizens of Deadwood voting on how to divide up Indian lands. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Toby Abse on FI on Ukraine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Calling the ICFI the FI would be probably be considered an insult by the several other FIs. If you're interested you can find the views on Ukraine of the organization which i.m.o. most legitimately claims to be the FI here: www.internationaviewpoint.org On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:04 PM, turb...@aol.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I thought comrades may be intrested in the following letter in this week's Weekly Worker: FI and Ukraine The left's response to the recent developments in the Ukraine has taken a very wide variety of forms. Some have taken a variant of the third camp position (with greater or lesser emphasis on the role of the working class), while others adopt either critical or uncritical support for Russia's intervention. However, the position of the Fourth International stands out like a sore thumb. It endorses the recent coup, which it refuses to call a coup (see statement of March 2 by the International Committee of the Fourth International) and it declares support for the social and political forces which are trying to build a left opposition within that movement. In practice this is a call for some kind of united front - doubtless of a very special type - with the neo-Nazis. Yanukovych's regime is described as oligarchic and criminal, but no such condemnation is made of the successor regime. It makes repeated references to such non-Marxist, cross-class abstractions as the population and the Ukrainian people as a whole in a vein reminiscent of the worst of Laclau and Mouffe. However, the opaque and contorted language of the document is a cover for the openly pro-Banderist and social-imperialist line being put forward by Duncan Chapel, a leading member of the British section, who tries to claim there are no Nazis in the Ukrainian government, whose legitimacy he enthusiastically endorses. When confronted by a full list of Svoboda members of the cabinet, he claims that not everybody in Svoboda is a Nazi - as if anybody joins a rabidly anti-Semitic organisation that openly uses swastikas and Celtic crosses and regards Stepan Bandera - the murderously anti- Semitic leader of Ukrainian forces who collaborated with Hitler against the USSR during World War II - as its great hero, under the misapprehension it is some version of the Lib Dems. Toby Abse email Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Ukraine, Putin and the West from N+1
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Re: [Marxism] Tatar Sunni Muslims pose a threat to Russia's occupation of Crimea | World news | theguardian.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Analogous to the artificial Jewish majority of Israel - the result of massive ethnic cleansing in 1947-48. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Clay Claiborne clayc...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I was wondering if this history might provide a Marxist reason for saying that in the case of Crimea, the normal right of self-determination does not apply and the planned vote on Crimean alignment is illegitimate. If the Crimean Tatars have a history going back to at least 1441, if Crimea is their only home, if they were a majority before Stalin reduced their numbers to near zero and replaced them with Russians. Only since 1989 have they been able to return and already their numbers are up to 12%. Why should the still majority Russian population be allowed to short stop this rebalancing by suddenly exercising their right of self-determination to consummate the Russian land grab? Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Crimean Shock Waves
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The circumstances unfolding in the Ukraine are part of potentially volatile chess game between various powers. Too bad this Counterpunch author doesn't recognize the Ukraine masses as one of those forces. Can't say I'm surprised. Oh, no didn't I see them braving the cold outdoors all winter long? Where did they do? On 03/05/2014 05:23 AM, Ron Jacobs wrote: http://stillhomeron.blogspot.com/2014/03/crimean-shock-waves.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bitcoin firm CEO jumped from 25-story building to her death | New York Post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Agreed! Some investors have lost literally all their money on pieces of electronic data. The money went down a rabbit hole. Erik On Mar 6, 2014 5:31 PM, Einde O'Callaghan eind...@freenet.de wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Am 07.03.2014 00:00, schrieb Louis Proyect: http://nypost.com/2014/03/06/bitcoin-firm-ceo-jumped-to- her-death-neighbor/ What does it mean that I have no idea what Bitcoin is? Am I getting old? Bitcoin is an attempt to create an alternative virtual currency outside the control of governments or central banks. I've always though it was a bit of a utopian capitalist project and now it all seems to be coming unstuck. Unfortunately, it appears to be people associated with the collapse of this effort who are jumping out of tall buildings rather than the fatcat bankers who are still raking in their bonuses worth millions while their banks are being rescued using billions of public money! Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/ marxism/ectoren%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Borotba vs. AWU
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hi, there's this statement by the AWU on Borotba: http://avtonomia.net/2014/03/03/statement-left-anarchist-organizations-borotba-organization/ and here's Borotba's response: http://borotba.org/statement_of_the_union_borotba_over_recent_smear_campaign_against_anti-fascists_in_ukraine1.html Anyone have an opinion on these..? -- jjonas @ nic.fi Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Ukraine: New Zealand parliament crawls up Nuland's arse
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/new-zealand-parliament-crawls-up-nulans-arse/ We've also reprinted Michael Roberts' piece on Ukraine: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/ukraine-hobsons-choice/ Phil Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Boris Kagarlitsky: Polite intervention and the Ukrainian uprising
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == By Boris Kagarlitsky, Moscow; translated by Renfrey Clarke March 4, 2014 Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal -- Why, do you suppose, war has not yet broken out between Russia and Ukraine? The answer is very simple: no one plans to go to war, and no one can. Kiev for practical purposes does not have an army, while the government that has appeared in Kiev has no control over half of Ukraine, and cannot even exercise particular control over its own supporters. If the Ukrainian authorities make any serious attempt to mobilise their forces, this will merely provoke new protests. Even rumours of such a possibility have been enough to provoke anti-government demonstrations in Odessa. Full article at http://links.org.au/node/3752 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Tatar Sunni Muslims pose a threat to Russia's occupation of Crimea | World news | theguardian.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 03/06/2014 09:56 PM, Clay Claiborne wrote: If the Crimean Tatars have a history going back to at least 1441, if Crimea is their only home, if they were a majority before Stalin reduced their numbers to near zero and replaced them with Russians. Only since 1989 have they been able to return and already their numbers are up to 12%. Why should the still majority Russian population be allowed to short stop this rebalancing by suddenly exercising their right of self-determination to consummate the Russian land grab? It's a little bit more complicated than that. Seems to me difficult to argue that the current Russian majority on the island cannot call for self-determining referendum, just because the Crimean Tatars were ethnically cleansed after WW II, and if not, they (Tatars) would constitute the majority today, thus making the ethnic Russian calls for referendum illegitimate. Rather than contort through such arguments, might make more sense to say it as it is: Putin is implementing an annexation strategy, capitalizing on the Russian majority of the peninsula. And it seems plausible that a majority of Russians there today might (you never know) vote in support of such a referendum. The referendum will apparently ask two questions: Do you want Crimea to join Russia, or do you think it should remain within the Ukraine, following the 1992 Constitution. The Tatars were not the only people living in the Crimea, historically. The Tatar Khanate, as far as I remember, was a survivor of Mongol rule in the area (in other words, an occupier in its own right, displacing previous and long-standing communities that had been there since Ancient Greek times), which was then forced to be a vassal to the Ottoman Empire. However, before (and during) both the Ottmans and the Tatars, the Crimea was already populated by Greeks, Bulgars, Armenians, Khazars, Kiev Rus', etc., etc. Even as the Ottoman Empire and the Russians fought for control of the area, these other peoples continued to live there over the centuries in substantial numbers. My point is that the one cannot make claims to Tatar primacy in all things Crimean. And Tatars today are not making such claims themselves. They simply prefer to remain within Ukraine, since they associate Russia as the continuator of Soviet policies towards them. They are claiming the referendum to be illegitimate, because it is created by the intervention. They are not contesting the referendum on the grounds that 70 years ago, they were the rightful ethnic majority on the island, and thus only they should have the right to call for self-determination today. Russian nationalists and Stalinist apologists would argue that the Tatars, in general, collaborated with the Nazis, and thus were punished by ethnic cleansing. The collaboration did happen, in the sense that a fair number of Tatars joined the Nazis in Crimea, as a way towards future (post-Soviet) independence/autonomy. At the same time, one could easily find Tatar people willingly fighting in the Red Army as well. So again, can't really talk about these things in clear-cut nationalist lines. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Toby Abse on FI on Ukraine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == sorry, correct link is internationalviewpoint.org On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Dayne Goodwin daynegood...@gmail.com wrote: Calling the ICFI the FI would be probably be considered an insult by the several other FIs. If you're interested you can find the views on Ukraine of the organization which i.m.o. most legitimately claims to be the FI here: www.internationaviewpoint.org On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:04 PM, turb...@aol.com wrote: I thought comrades may be intrested in the following letter in this week's Weekly Worker: FI and Ukraine The left's response to the recent developments in the Ukraine has taken a very wide variety of forms. Some have taken a variant of the third camp position (with greater or lesser emphasis on the role of the working class), while others adopt either critical or uncritical support for Russia's intervention. However, the position of the Fourth International stands out like a sore thumb. . . . Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
