Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, indeed. The Obama adminsitration is trying to make itself immune from criticism by the flag-lapel fetishists by having a pissing contest with every other govenrment on the planet. There's not much in it for any of the other governments to help them out of this bind. The hubirs of the US brought on these disclosures, which are causing genuine scanadals--not so much in the US with its rather domesticated news media--but abroad where the secrets of their own intelligence activities are beginning to unravel. It makes sense that they're not willing to put themselves out too much. Probalby, we're seeing another way in which the massive institutions crank out the lowest-common-denominator, flat-out dumbest psswoble solution. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The longer this goes on, the worse it will look for the US government. The best way for the US to stop the bad press is to let him get out to Venezuela and let the story die. Then if the US tries to demand Snowden from Venezuela, they can respond in the same way the US responded to their demand for the terrorists who bombed a Cuban jetliner. The US would be better advised to let this one die and not raise too big a stink since they will come out on the losing end domestically and internationally. Randy In a message dated 7/8/2013 8:11:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, markala...@gmail.com writes: . Obama made a serious mistake in authorizing his underlings to lean on France and Portugal over that flight from Moscow. It seems to me that the longer this goes on, there will be more discrediting incidencents., Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I think the best answer is that these various governments don't want to depart too much from the norm in finding a solution. Remember that while this leaves Snowden on the hook, it also leaves his psychotic Uncle dangling as well. Obama made a serious mistake in authorizing his underlings to lean on France and Portugal over that flight from Moscow. It seems to me that the longer this goes on, there will be more discrediting incidencents., ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I'll query him when he returns from California tomorrow. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM, wrote: > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > The fact is that Snowden can reach Venezuela as long as he has a visa for > it. He still has physical custody of his US passport, and thus can travel > on > that unless he hits a country who will honor the US revocation of it. Ask > your brother about how he can get to Venezuela since he might have some > info on that. I think Venezuela can take a visa to him at the airport, > and he > can get on an airline flight. Randy > > > In a message dated 7/8/2013 9:38:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > gulfm...@gmail.com writes: > > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > Why can't such nations prepare papers making Snowden an "honorary > citizen" > &/or papers granting him immediate assylum, deliver them directly to him > in > the Moscow airport, and walk with him to a waiting plane to carry him to > the receiving nation? This will require a novel procedure for sure, but a > legally not unreasonable one to deal with a novel situation. > > On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Wythe Holt jr. wrote: > > > == > > > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > > == > > > > > > Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they > will > > grant him asylum. But no nation has said they would grant such asylum > if > > Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no nation has allowed, > much > > less invited, Snowden to cross "their" airspace to reach a place of > asylum. > > > > > > > > From: > marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > [marxism-bounces+wholt= > > law.ua....@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Stuart Munckton > [ > > stuartmunck...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:42 AM > > To: Wythe Holt jr. > > Subject: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden > > asylum > > > > == > > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > > == > > > > > > NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three > > American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. > > > > http://wlcentral.org/node/2846 > > > > -- > > “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s > > original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, > > through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man > > Under Socialism > > > > “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of > > dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker > > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > > Set your options at: > > > > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu > > > > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > > Set your options at: > > > > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/gulfmann%40gmail.com > > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/randyjet%40aol.com > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/gulfmann%40gmail.com > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The fact is that Snowden can reach Venezuela as long as he has a visa for it. He still has physical custody of his US passport, and thus can travel on that unless he hits a country who will honor the US revocation of it. Ask your brother about how he can get to Venezuela since he might have some info on that. I think Venezuela can take a visa to him at the airport, and he can get on an airline flight. Randy In a message dated 7/8/2013 9:38:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, gulfm...@gmail.com writes: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Why can't such nations prepare papers making Snowden an "honorary citizen" &/or papers granting him immediate assylum, deliver them directly to him in the Moscow airport, and walk with him to a waiting plane to carry him to the receiving nation? This will require a novel procedure for sure, but a legally not unreasonable one to deal with a novel situation. On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Wythe Holt jr. wrote: > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they will > grant him asylum. But no nation has said they would grant such asylum if > Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no nation has allowed, much > less invited, Snowden to cross "their" airspace to reach a place of asylum. > > > > From: marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu[marxism-bounces+wholt= > law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Stuart Munckton [ > stuartmunck...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:42 AM > To: Wythe Holt jr. > Subject: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden > asylum > > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three > American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. > > http://wlcentral.org/node/2846 > > -- > “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s > original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, > through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man > Under Socialism > > “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of > dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/gulfmann%40gmail.com > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/randyjet%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum m
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This is all very interesting, but comrades can be sure that many lawyers in Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba -- and, on the other side, in Washington -- are working hard on all the legal angles and implications involved. And of course, the foreign offices and military forces in all of the above, and quite probably many others, are also devoting considerable resources to the strategic and other implications. That there is no easy resolution in international law or strategy is illustrated by the plight of Julian Assange and Ecuador, in whose London embassy he has long been trapped -- so long, in fact, that it is possible that the Ecuadorian consul who unilaterally issued Snowden the travel document to Moscow might have been under the influence of the "Stockholm syndrome," the complicity that often afflicts those confined with each other against their will or preferences for long periods. Assange apparently convinced him to issue the document out of mutual concern that Snowden's life was in imminent danger in Hong Kong. But getting from Moscow to Caracas or elsewhere is a quite different matter, now that his location and status are notorious. If a number of European countries were prepared to risk the life of the president of Bolivia, at the behest of Washington, will they show any greater concern for Snowden, whose disclosures moreover are now revealing their own involvement in illegal spying? Richard -Original Message- From: marxism-bounces+rfidler_8=sympatico...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu [mailto:marxism-bounces+rfidler_8=sympatico...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu ] On Behalf Of Sheldon Ranz Sent: July-08-13 11:39 AM To: rfidle...@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylu m == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Why can't the Russians simply take Snowden to the Venezuelan embassy in Moscow? S Ranz On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Jim Farmelant wrote: > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > > > The real problem would be for Snowden to get a flight from Moscow to the > receiving nation that will not be interfered with by the United States. As > I said before, the only scenario that I can envision where that could work > out , would be for him to fly to the receiving nation on a Russian > aircraft, with the Russian stipulating that any attempt by the US to > interfere with the flight would be treated as an act of war. At this > point, I cannot conceive of Russia risking World War Three over Snowden. > > Jim Farmelant > http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant > http://www.foxymath.com > Learn or Review Basic Math > > > -- Original Message ------ > From: Gulf Mann > Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden > asylum > Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:37:23 -0500 > > Why can't such nations prepare papers making Snowden an "honorary citizen" > &/or papers granting him immediate assylum, deliver them directly to him in > the Moscow airport, and walk with him to a waiting plane to carry him to > the receiving nation? This will require a novel procedure for sure, but a > legally not unreasonable one to deal with a novel situation. > > > > 30-second trick for a flat belly > This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51dad1f01eda051ef4846st04vuc > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/sranz18%40gmail .com > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/rfidler_8%40sym patico.ca Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Why can't such nations prepare papers making Snowden an "honorary citizen" &/or papers granting him immediate assylum, deliver them directly to him in the Moscow airport, and walk with him to a waiting plane to carry him to the receiving nation? This will require a novel procedure for sure, but a legally not unreasonable one to deal with a novel situation. On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Wythe Holt jr. wrote: > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they will > grant him asylum. But no nation has said they would grant such asylum if > Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no nation has allowed, much > less invited, Snowden to cross "their" airspace to reach a place of asylum. > > > > From: > marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu[marxism-bounces+wholt= > law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Stuart Munckton [ > stuartmunck...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:42 AM > To: Wythe Holt jr. > Subject: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden > asylum > > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three > American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. > > http://wlcentral.org/node/2846 > > -- > “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s > original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, > through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man > Under Socialism > > “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of > dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/gulfmann%40gmail.com > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:11 PM, wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:49:28 -0400 Richard Fidler > writes: > > > Yeah, like Assange, still in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London after > > how many > > months? > > > Most likely, the offers of asylum would mean that Snowden getting to > inhabit, for the forseeable future, one of the embassies in Moscow of > those countries offering him asylum. For it to mean anything more, he > would have to be able to fly from Moscow to on the the countries offering > him asylum. But as the incident with the Bolivian president's plane > indicates, the US is unlikely to allow such a flight to take place and > would not be above any means at its disposal to prevent him from landing. > The only way I can one of these offers of asylum as being actually to > take effect would be if the Russians offer to fly him on one of their > aircraft, with the Russian government making it clear that it would treat > ny attempts on the part of the US to interfere with this flight as an act > of war. I am not holding my breath on that happening though. > > > Jim Farmelant > http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant > www.foxymath.com > Learn or Review Basic Math > > > > Why not pull a clandestine move out of an Alan Furst novella and put him > on a freighter? Greg Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 2013-07-07, at 6:11 PM, wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:49:28 -0400 Richard Fidler > writes: >>> Yeah, like Assange, still in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London after >> how many >> months? > > > Most likely, the offers of asylum would mean that Snowden getting to > inhabit, for the forseeable future, one of the embassies in Moscow of > those countries offering him asylum. For it to mean anything more, he > would have to be able to fly from Moscow to on the the countries offering > him asylum. But as the incident with the Bolivian president's plane > indicates, the US is unlikely to allow such a flight to take place and > would not be above any means at its disposal to prevent him from landing. > The only way I can one of these offers of asylum as being actually to > take effect would be if the Russians offer to fly him on one of their > aircraft, with the Russian government making it clear that it would treat > ny attempts on the part of the US to interfere with this flight as an act > of war. I am not holding my breath on that happening though. Undocumented immigrants don't fly and use all sorts of creative ways to cross borders overland and by sea. Of course, Snowden is a high profile target, and you have to assume US intelligence knows his exact whereabouts and so would easily be able to track his movements. On the other hand, they screwed-up over Morales' plane, unless it was somehow intended to send a message to potential rescuers, which I doubt. There's got to be a lot of interesting back stories about the Snowden affair which will come out later. And, yeah, I also don't see the Russians starting WW III over Snowden. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:49:28 -0400 Richard Fidler writes: > > Yeah, like Assange, still in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London after > how many > months? Most likely, the offers of asylum would mean that Snowden getting to inhabit, for the forseeable future, one of the embassies in Moscow of those countries offering him asylum. For it to mean anything more, he would have to be able to fly from Moscow to on the the countries offering him asylum. But as the incident with the Bolivian president's plane indicates, the US is unlikely to allow such a flight to take place and would not be above any means at its disposal to prevent him from landing. The only way I can one of these offers of asylum as being actually to take effect would be if the Russians offer to fly him on one of their aircraft, with the Russian government making it clear that it would treat ny attempts on the part of the US to interfere with this flight as an act of war. I am not holding my breath on that happening though. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math > > -Original Message- > From: > marxism-bounces+rfidler_8=sympatico...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > [mailto:marxism-bounces+rfidler_8=sympatico...@greenhouse.economics.utah. edu > ] On Behalf Of Daniel Rocha > Sent: July-07-13 7:58 AM > To: rfidle...@sympatico.ca > Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer > Snowden > asylum > Want to place your ad here? Advertise on United Online http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51d9e7d99cf8067d94836st04vuc Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yeah, like Assange, still in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London after how many months? -Original Message- From: marxism-bounces+rfidler_8=sympatico...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu [mailto:marxism-bounces+rfidler_8=sympatico...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu ] On Behalf Of Daniel Rocha Sent: July-07-13 7:58 AM To: rfidle...@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Not necessarily. He would only need the get into an embassy. 2013/7/7 Wythe Holt jr. > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they will > grant him asylum. But no nation has said they would grant such asylum if > Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no nation has allowed, much > less invited, Snowden to cross "their" airspace to reach a place of asylum. > > > > From: marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu[marxism-bounc es+wholt= > law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Stuart Munckton [ > stuartmunck...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:42 AM > To: Wythe Holt jr. > Subject: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden > asylum > > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three > American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. > > http://wlcentral.org/node/2846 > > -- > "Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity's > original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, > through disobedience and through rebellion." - Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man > Under Socialism > > "The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of > dummy?" - Jarvis Cocker > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua. edu > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/danieldiniz%40g mail.com > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/rfidler_8%40sym patico.ca Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == No embassies have sent any cars to the Moscow airport where Snowden is holed up. From: marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu [marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Daniel Rocha [danieldi...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 6:57 AM To: Wythe Holt jr. Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Not necessarily. He would only need the get into an embassy. 2013/7/7 Wythe Holt jr. > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they will > grant him asylum. But no nation has said they would grant such asylum if > Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no nation has allowed, much > less invited, Snowden to cross "their" airspace to reach a place of asylum. > > > > From: > marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu[marxism-bounces+wholt= > law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Stuart Munckton [ > stuartmunck...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:42 AM > To: Wythe Holt jr. > Subject: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden > asylum > > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three > American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. > > http://wlcentral.org/node/2846 > > -- > “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s > original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, > through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man > Under Socialism > > “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of > dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/danieldiniz%40gmail.com > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Not necessarily. He would only need the get into an embassy. 2013/7/7 Wythe Holt jr. > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they will > grant him asylum. But no nation has said they would grant such asylum if > Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no nation has allowed, much > less invited, Snowden to cross "their" airspace to reach a place of asylum. > > > > From: > marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu[marxism-bounces+wholt= > law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Stuart Munckton [ > stuartmunck...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:42 AM > To: Wythe Holt jr. > Subject: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden > asylum > > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three > American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. > > http://wlcentral.org/node/2846 > > -- > “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s > original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, > through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man > Under Socialism > > “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of > dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/danieldiniz%40gmail.com > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they will grant him asylum. But no nation has said they would grant such asylum if Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no nation has allowed, much less invited, Snowden to cross "their" airspace to reach a place of asylum. From: marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu [marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Stuart Munckton [stuartmunck...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:42 AM To: Wythe Holt jr. Subject: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. http://wlcentral.org/node/2846 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. http://wlcentral.org/node/2846 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
