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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he werealready
dead (Louis Proyect)
2. Re: Should we treat Perez Bocerra asthough he werealready
dead (S. Artesian)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 13:01:57 -0400
From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com
To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were
already dead
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On 5/8/11 12:53 PM, S. Artesian wrote:
Wait a minute, I submit an evaluation, somebody responds by saying
that's interesting what do you mean; I expand--- and you get your
knickers in a twists because I take exception to your sympathy for
popular front figureheads?
Okay, let's get down to the essentials. You are basically putting
forward an argument that the other side in the debate is reformist. You
have been doing this in one form or another in the 10 years you have
been on this mailing list.
NOBODY ELSE DOES THIS.
Frankly, the main reason I have tolerated this is because you are not a
member of a sect. If you included a sig like The Pannekoek
Circles--Revolutionary, you would have been unsubbed long ago.
The last time you unsubbed, around the time I dropped Lippmann, the
level of vituperation on this mailing list dropped off precipitously. I
found myself quite pleased with this development and will do everything
in my power to maintain it.
Understand?
If you want to fight reformism, I invite you to do it elsewhere. Or, if
you are going to do it, you have to understand that there is a definite
time-limit because the longer it goes on, the more that temperatures
rise--including my own. As someone who has the ultimate power over this
mailing list, that is all that matters in the final analysis.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 13:17:24 -0400
From: S. Artesian sartes...@earthlink.net
To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra asthough he
were
already dead
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I didn't say anything about reformism. You're the one expressing
