Re: [Marxism] The facts behind Stieg Larssen's fiction

2011-12-28 Thread Greg McDonald
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Subtitles.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Einde O'Callaghan  wrote:

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>> Einde, the Swedish version IS the original version. All 3 movies have
>> been available for instant streaming on netflix for at least a year.
>>
> I know that the Swedish version is the original film version - I have all
> three films on DVD.
>
> I'll draw my own conclusions on the the Hollywood version when it opens here
> in about 2 weeks.
>
> I'm pleased they didn't try to relocate it to the US - as happened with
> "Edge of Darkness" - the BBC's version of the latter was way superior to the
> Hollywood remake.
>
> I didn't realise the Swedish original was available on netflix. Ha it been
> dubbed into English or is it with subtitles?
>
>
> Einde O'Callaghan


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Re: [Marxism] The facts behind Stieg Larssen's fiction

2011-12-28 Thread Einde O'Callaghan

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On 28.12.2011 11:51, Greg McDonald wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Einde O'Callaghan  wrote:



Just saw the  american version of "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".
It is actually quite good, possibly better than the original version.


I don't know if you've seen the Swedish version. I don't believe it was
released dubbed into English.


Einde, the Swedish version IS the original version. All 3 movies have
been available for instant streaming on netflix for at least a year.

I know that the Swedish version is the original film version - I have 
all three films on DVD.


I'll draw my own conclusions on the the Hollywood version when it opens 
here in about 2 weeks.


I'm pleased they didn't try to relocate it to the US - as happened with 
"Edge of Darkness" - the BBC's version of the latter was way superior to 
the Hollywood remake.


I didn't realise the Swedish original was available on netflix. Ha it 
been dubbed into English or is it with subtitles?


Einde O'Callaghan


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Re: [Marxism] The facts behind Stieg Larssen's fiction

2011-12-28 Thread Greg McDonald
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On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Einde O'Callaghan  wrote:


>> Just saw the  american version of "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".
>> It is actually quite good, possibly better than the original version.
>>
> I don't know if you've seen the Swedish version. I don't believe it was
> released dubbed into English.

Einde, the Swedish version IS the original version. All 3 movies have
been available for instant streaming on netflix for at least a year.

In terms of being faithful to the original version, I think it's
rather a moot point, since Larsson's common-law wife has complained
his family did not present the articles for the public in the manner
he would have wanted. Being that common law arrangements are not
recognized in Sweden she of course got nothing. I think Larsson would
be quite upset about that .

There may have been some minor changes here and there in the american
version, but I'm grateful at the very least the movie was not
sanitized for the market. I thought the acting, overall, was superior
in the current remake.

Greg


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Re: [Marxism] The facts behind Stieg Larssen's fiction

2011-12-28 Thread Einde O'Callaghan

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On 28.12.2011 01:14, Greg McDonald wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jim Farmelant  wrote:


A good article posted by Charles since it among other things
points out that Sweden has long harbored many people with pro-Nazi
outlooks and that during WW II, Sweden although officially
neutral, in fact sold Germany iron ore and other raw materials
while also permitting German troops to cross Swedish territory.
Furthermore, I would add that during the 1930s pro-Nazi attitudes
were widespread among the middle and upper classes of Sweden.



Just saw the  american version of "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".
It is actually quite good, possibly better than the original version.

I don't know if you've seen the Swedish version. I don't believe it was 
released dubbed into English.


the new Hollywood version is being released in Germany in two weeks 
time. After that I'll compare the two versions. The Swedish version was 
released on general release here in a dubbed version last year - it's 
very good, so the Hollywood version has a lot to live up to to be better.


BTW I've just read an article by a translator criticising the English 
translation of the books for being quite cavalier in its treatment of 
various aspects of the plot - starting with the title, which is actually 
"The Man Who Hated Women" but also including the dragon tattoo of the 
English title, which IIRC in the English version is on her right 
shoulder but in the Swedish version is much larger starting on her right 
shoulder covering most of her back with the tail ending on one of her 
thighs.


The German translation is apparently truer to the Swedish original than 
the English version. I'll now have to read the trilogy again in German 
to see if the differences affect the plot or the story-telling.


Einde O'Callaghan


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