Re: [Marxism] Union Square protests
to clarify the social basis of movements, the social causes of actions and the political consequences of positions. Is any one of these ends served or furthered by announcing that the verdict was the consequence of a racist jury? Especially when the jury may not have been given the facts or the legal tools in the way of definitions that would enable it to reach a different verdict? Anger without analysis or emotionalism without conscious understanding is not our job. -Original Message- From: Glenn Kissack gkiss...@nyc.rr.com To: Wayne M. Collins sha...@aol.com Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [Marxism] Union Square protests == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == My wife and I were down in Union Square this afternoon to pick up some cheap Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/shacht%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Union Square protests
exclude any black person from the jury with a eremptory challenge for a challenge for cause? The Supreme Court has held that an attorney must show an articulablete basis for a challenge of a minority juror if there is a pattern of this in the jury selection. What happened in the voir dire in this case? In other words, what basis is there for the statements made in the postings to this list? Racist jury, white supremacy, acquitting one of their own. These statements would seem to me to be something of knee jerk reactions. We do not need them to be opposed to this killing. We do not need them to demonstrate again in the streets that such a killing can happen. We combat every symptom of racism we encounter and we renew our protests and efforts in the face of this verdict. It is not the jury system that is on trial here. It is the society itself. As socialists we seek to clarify the social basis of movements, the social causes of actions and the political consequences of positions. Is any one of these ends served or furthered by announcing that the verdict was the consequence of a racist jury? Especially when the jury may not have been given the facts or the legal tools in the way of definitions that would enable it to reach a different verdict? Anger without analysis or emotionalism without conscious understanding is not our job. -Original Message- From: Glenn Kissack gkiss...@nyc.rr.com To: Wayne M. Collins sha...@aol.com Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [Marxism] Union Square protests == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == My wife and I were down in Union Square this afternoon to pick up some cheap Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/shacht%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/randyjet%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Union Square protests
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == My wife and I were down in Union Square this afternoon to pick up some cheap wine at Trader Joe's when a sizable protest was taking place against the Zimmerman verdict--4 to 500 people, mostly Black. Greg Grandin just reported on FB that it has swelled to 1000. I urge New Yorkers to turn out. Let's keep the pressure on. Here's a slide show of the protest, on the NYT home page no less: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/us/george-zimmerman-verdict-trayvon-martin.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Union Square protests
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == My wife and I were down in Union Square this afternoon to pick up some cheap wine at Trader Joe's when a sizable protest was taking place against the Zimmerman verdict--4 to 500 people, mostly Black. Greg Grandin just reported on FB that it has swelled to 1000. I urge New Yorkers to turn out. Let's keep the pressure on. I went to the 6 PM protest at Union Square, which then marched down Broadway, picking up people along the way. The march continued east and then back north. I thought there were as many as 10,000 people, mostly young (college age and '20's). Compared to the antiwar protests I've attended, this was far more integrated. The chanting was very spirited, and many motorists honked their horns in support. Lots of spectators could be seen clapping or shaking their heads in agreement. My favorite chant was: George Zimmerman: Guil - ty!, Stand Your Ground: Guil-ty! The Whole Damn System: Guil-ty! Glenn Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Union Square protests
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == A smallish protest of perhaps 30 people that looked like it was organized by the RCP made the local TV news in Houston tonight. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: ==**==**== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. ==**==**== My wife and I were down in Union Square this afternoon to pick up some cheap wine at Trader Joe's when a sizable protest was taking place against the Zimmerman verdict--4 to 500 people, mostly Black. Greg Grandin just reported on FB that it has swelled to 1000. I urge New Yorkers to turn out. Let's keep the pressure on. Here's a slide show of the protest, on the NYT home page no less: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/**07/15/us/george-zimmerman-** verdict-trayvon-martin.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/us/george-zimmerman-verdict-trayvon-martin.html __**__ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.**utah.eduMarxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.** utah.edu/mailman/options/**marxism/gulfmann%40gmail.comhttp://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/gulfmann%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
