Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The International Solidarity Movement is also a sham. Despite the term "international," they only focus on Palestine! - Amith On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 7/31/15 1:14 AM, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote: > >> I included a link to the CNI site so people can judge for themselves. >> I encourage those who are interested to go to that >> site.http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/ Do you find >> even a whisper of complaint about US policy in Latin America, Africa, >> Asia and Eastern Europe? I haven't. I think it would be fair to >> conclude that they are uncritical of US policy in these areas. >> > > Nothing on abortion rights either. Sexist pigs if you ask me. Tsk-tsk. > > > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 01:30 31-07-15 -0400, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: > >Nothing on abortion rights either. Sexist pigs if you ask me. Actually, yes. I have no doubt that if you went through the membership list (if any, otherwise a list of their funders) you will find extreme anti-choice activists. They are all part of the same far-right crowd which is why I find it incredible that there would even be a serious discussion on this list about one of their front groups. Of course this particular front has a nominally single-issue orientation, but I would never have expected sophisticated Marxists to be so easily fooled by (or blind to) window dressing: "Working for Middle East policies that serve the American national interest" That's their supposed focus, but if you go through their articles, every single one is about Israel or indirectly about Israel in terms of an issue critical to Israel such as the US-Iran deal. It has nothing about the bulk the middle east, a rather large geographical area. So their raison d'etre is already a lie. In particular, the main victims of Israel, Palestinians, are only mentioned when convenient for making a claim against Israel, but no one (right, left, or other) believes that promoting the interests of Palestine would "serve the American national interest." But one of their 6 selections on their website's sidebar of "Commentary &Analysis Categories" is called "Israeli & Jewish Press." I can barely point to any "Jewish Press" outside of Israel and that isn't what they're talking about either. This is a reference to the mainstream press and the notion that it's controlled by "Jews" as is Hollywood. And this is why their anti-Israeli politics has nothing to do with the interests of the Palestinians: it's an expression of antisemitism. Period. - Jeff It isn't clear to me whether _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Jeff has done a great job finding a fascist conspiracy, so I'd like to point out another one. Apparently this snake in the grass, Bernie Sanders, who is actually a tool of the government, has been fooling leftists around the country with his ultranationalist politics. https://berniesanders.com/about/ This fascist infiltrator openly brags about trying to build a collaborative enterprise between left and right, or "Querfront": >As chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, Bernie worked across the aisle to “bridge Washington’s toxic partisan divide and cut one of the most significant deals in years.” And despite all his talk about "socialism," his politics are purely nationalist in nature: https://berniesanders.com/issues/ |The American people must make a fundamental decision. These are the most important questions of our time, and how we answer them will determine the future of our country. The bad news is that, despite some improvement, the 40-year decline of the American middle class continues.\ I think as leftists, we all know the dangers of mixing socialism and nationalism, and it's shameful that this Bernie Sanders character is openly trying to revive Hitler with such politics. Upon closer inspection, it turns out he is actually WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT! In 2006, he was elected to the U.S. Senate after 16 years as Vermont’s sole congressman in the House of Representatives. I think we should continue the hard work that Jeff and Ken have begun by rooting out fascist conspiracies in our country club of justice. If you see someone wearing a "Vote for Bernie" t-shirt, feel free to smash them upside the head, because they are basically Neo-Nazis. There can be no room for fascist infiltration. - Amith On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Jeff via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > At 01:30 31-07-15 -0400, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: > > > >Nothing on abortion rights either. Sexist pigs if you ask me. > > Actually, yes. I have no doubt that if you went through the membership list > (if any, otherwise a list of their funders) you will find extreme > anti-choice activists. They are all part of the same far-right crowd which > is why I find it incredible that there would even be a serious discussion > on this list about one of their front groups. Of course this particular > front has a nominally single-issue orientation, but I would never have > expected sophisticated Marxists to be so easily fooled by (or blind to) > window dressing: > > "Working for Middle East policies that serve the American national > interest" > > That's their supposed focus, but if you go through their articles, every > single one is about Israel or indirectly about Israel in terms of an issue > critical to Israel such as the US-Iran deal. It has nothing about the bulk > the middle east, a rather large geographical area. So their raison d'etre > is already a lie. In particular, the main victims of Israel, Palestinians, > are only mentioned when convenient for making a claim against Israel, but > no one (right, left, or other) believes that promoting the interests of > Palestine would "serve the American national interest." > > But one of their 6 selections on their website's sidebar of "Commentary > &Analysis Categories" is called "Israeli & Jewish Press." I can barely > point to any "Jewish Press" outside of Israel and that isn't what they're > talking about either. This is a reference to the mainstream press and the > notion that it's controlled by "Jews" as is Hollywood. And this is why > their anti-Israeli politics has nothing to do with the interests of the > Palestinians: it's an expression of antisemitism. Period. > > - Jeff > > > > > > > > It isn't clear to me whether > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 12:28 31-07-15 +0200, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: > >Jeff has done a great job finding a fascist conspiracy, so I'd like to >point out another one. How come the last 3 posts on the subject from Amith and Louis are sarcastic remarks involving straw-men? And the ones before that also avoided the issues by focussing on personalities who I never had directly attacked such as James Abourezk (a liberal politician -- so what?) and " Iyad Burnat, the head of the Bi'lin Popular Committee" whose only guilt is signing a petition in error? You can't counter my claims by denying claims I never made, and the point of doing so can only be to distract the reader and make light of an extremely serious issue. As far as what Amith did post about Bernie Sanders, sarcastically, a lot of it is true and is why I wouldn't support him. But please post that as a new thread and it can be taken seriously as a separate discussion. As far as this discussion related to the far right (no "conspiracy" involved, just the normal misuse of language), I'd like to see some actual content. Or if the view actually is that we should unite with antisemites in order to best bring down Israel in the interests of the Palestinians, then just SAY THAT. At least that would be a left-wing position, not a tactic I'd support, but at least it would be within the parameters of discussion I'd expect on this list. Covering up for the far-right is not. - Jeff _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I thought you were being sarcastic too. Silly me for giving you the benefit of the doubt. > Iyad Burnat, the head of the Bi'lin Popular Committee" whose only guilt is signing a petition in error? How about everything else Iyad does, are all of those things in error too? What an arrogant, patronizing crock of shit, Iyad can speak for himself and doesn't need the Nancy Drew Anti-Fascist Detective Club to tell him what is right for him or his village. - Amith On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Jeff via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > At 12:28 31-07-15 +0200, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: > > > >Jeff has done a great > job finding a fascist conspiracy, so I'd like to > >point out another one. > > How come the last 3 posts on the subject from Amith and Louis are sarcastic > remarks involving straw-men? And the ones before that also avoided the > issues by focussing on personalities who I never had directly attacked such > as James Abourezk (a liberal politician -- so what?) and " Iyad Burnat, the > head of the Bi'lin Popular > Committee" whose only guilt is signing a petition in error? You can't > counter my claims by denying claims I never made, and the point of doing so > can only be to distract the reader and make light of an extremely serious > issue. > > As far as what Amith did post about Bernie Sanders, sarcastically, a lot of > it is true and is why I wouldn't support him. But please post that as a new > thread and it can be taken seriously as a separate discussion. As far as > this discussion related to the far right (no "conspiracy" involved, just > the normal misuse of language), I'd like to see some actual content. > > Or if the view actually is that we should unite with antisemites in order > to best bring down Israel in the interests of the Palestinians, then just > SAY THAT. At least that would be a left-wing position, not a tactic I'd > support, but at least it would be within the parameters of discussion I'd > expect on this list. Covering up for the far-right is not. > > - Jeff > > > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 13:36 31-07-15 +0200, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: > >> Iyad Burnat, the head of the Bi'lin Popular Committee" whose only guilt >is signing a petition in error? > >How about everything else Iyad does, are all of those things in error too? Amith, does the word "only" mean anything to you? If not, then please look it up and you will be able to understand what I said as well as every one else did who read it. - Jeff _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * It's interesting how Jeff's callous dismissals of a bunch of diplomats and Congresspeople who burned their old bridges and became outspoken critics of imperialism so easily transfer to being dismissive of Palestinian grassroots activists when it is convenient for him. If Jeff's politics and witch-hunting are considered leftism then he can have leftism. I'll take Iyad Burnat and Ed Peck instead, they appear to be making actual sacrifices to liberate oppressed people while others are more interested in stamping Palestine with their political platforms and then demanding purity. - Amith On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Jeff via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > At 13:36 31-07-15 +0200, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: > > > >> Iyad Burnat, the head of the Bi'lin Popular Committee" whose only guilt > >is signing a petition in error? > > > >How about everything else Iyad does, are all of those things in error too? > > Amith, does the word "only" mean anything to you? If not, then please look > it up and you will be able to understand what I said as well as every one > else did who read it. > > - Jeff > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Manufacturing Denial
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * “Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming”, the 2010 book by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway, is required reading in order to understand the threats to our health and overall survival posed by the well-funded pseudo-scientific think-tanks that have their origins in Cold War anti-Communism. As unlikely as it might seem, the very scientists who ExxonMobil and the Koch brothers pay to cast doubt on climate change are part of a network that got started in the 1950s when scientists, including those who worked for the tobacco industry, were at last coming to the conclusion that smoking causes cancer. The tobacco companies needed “experts” to obfuscate the issues just as the need them today to cast doubt on climate change. full: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/31/manufacturing-denial/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 13:50 31-07-15 +0200, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: > >If Jeff's politics and witch-hunting are considered leftism then he can >have leftism. I'll take Iyad Burnat and Ed Peck instead Well you're on the wrong list then and we have nothing to discuss. I'd like contributions from others on this list who consider themselves Marxists, thus leftists. - Jeff _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Council for the National Interest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I'd like to hear from some Marxist perspectives on this too, feel free to alert me when you obtain one. - Amith On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Jeff via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > At 13:50 31-07-15 +0200, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: > > > >If Jeff's politics and witch-hunting are considered leftism then he can > >have leftism. I'll take Iyad Burnat and Ed Peck instead > > Well you're on the wrong list then and we have nothing to discuss. I'd like > contributions from others on this list who consider themselves Marxists, > thus leftists. > - Jeff > > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Moderator's note
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[Marxism] [UCE] Black Literature and the FB Eye Blues
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[Marxism] Fwd: Tomgram: Subhankar Banerjee, Fire at World's End | TomDispatch
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[Marxism] Fwd: SYRIZA Central Committee Session Turns into a Battlefield | GreekReporter.com
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[Marxism] Fwd: Palestinian Baby Burnt to Death in Suspected 'Jewish Terror' Attack | VICE News
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[Marxism] Fwd: Jimmy Carter: The U.S. Is an "Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery"
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[Marxism] Fwd: Essay on the Salaita controversy after one year and continuing concerns about academic freedom | InsideHigherEd
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[Marxism] Fwd: Bernie and the Sandernistas
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * By Jeff St. Clair Bernie Sanders had a choice. He could have run as the outsider he claimed to be. He could have run as an independent. He could have run as a Socialist or a Green. He could have been a threat to the immiserating status quo. But he wilted. Either because Sanders really is at heart a Democrat or because he is a political coward who feared retribution, he chose to lend credence to a party that has brutalized nearly every progressive policy he claims to champion. Meanwhile, truly independent campaigns, the ones that forcefully challenge the neoliberal dogma and imperialistic militarism of the Democratic Party from the outside, are crushed, their candidates and supporters vilified and demonized. Go ask Ralph Nader. full: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/31/bernie-and-the-sandernistas/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: The Greek Coup: Liquidity as a Weapon of Coercion
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[Marxism] Fwd: The Leftwing Seventies?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Leftwing Seventies? by PAUL BUHLE The collective memories of the American 1960s-70s, especially for youthful lefties if not only for them, break down into mini-generations. To be twenty-five in 1970 meant living through a good chunk of the ‘fifties, experience Rhythm ‘n Blues (and gospel) on the radio, see political daylight with the civil rights movement and plunge into the most intensive experience imaginable, with a heavy aftermath. To be fifteen in 1970 was a very different thing, with more fresh radical experience and less gloomy a sense of aftermath in the era that followed. I am, of course, talking here about (a)myself and (b) Ron Jacobs, author of this remarkable little book, Daydream Sunset: the Sixties Counterculture in the Seventies. full: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/31/the-leftwing-seventies/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] [UCE] The Burned Ones - Pinochet covered up 1986 atrocity
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Greek Coup: Liquidity as a Weapon of Coercion
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[Marxism] Fwd: Letter to JVP on Alison Weir affair - Democratic Underground
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[Marxism] Fwd: Seeing the Power of Political Posters - The New York Times
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[Marxism] Fwd: How the LAPD Conspired to Get Me Fired from the LA Times
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Letter to JVP on Alison Weir affair - DemocraticUnderground
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 18:01 31-07-15 -0400, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: >http://www.democraticunderground.com/1021227 You just got done shutting down discussion on this very issue (which I totally understand because it became totally unproductive). But now I guess it's fair game again. I have no interest in debating with one person on this list but tomorrow I will (after fully reading through this piece) compare and report what I have determined from looking at the evidence about this person and the dangers that both Jewish Voice for Peace and the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation detected and responded to. - Jeff _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Letter to JVP on Alison Weir affair - DemocraticUnderground
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/31/15 6:44 PM, Jeff via Marxism wrote: You just got done shutting down discussion on this very issue (which I totally understand because it became totally unproductive). I was shutting down the discussion on the Council for the National Interest because I thought that you and Amith were repeating your arguments. Plus, I crossposted Hal's letter to the JVP because he requested it. I have known Hal for over a decade and wanted to extend him a courtesy. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Stay in your lane: We don’t need rich white actresses’ comments on sex work
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A group of rich and famous white actress/feminists who have probably never in their life traded sex or experienced criminalization have added their rich and famous names onto a letter condemning a proposal from Amnesty International to adopt a position to support the decriminalization of sex work. Amnesty’s proposal, which is in line with the position of many major public health and human rights organizations, states that “The available evidence indicates that the criminalisation of sex work is more likely than not to reinforce discrimination against those who sell sex, placing them at greater risk of harassment and violence, including ill-treatment at the hands of police.” Seems like pretty solid logic, no? Apparently not. Apparently rich white ladies — the likes of Lena Dunham, Meryl Streep, Anne Hathaway, and Kate Winslet — have joined a list of outdated second-wavers and anti-trafficking organizations opposing the proposal. Rich white ladies have something to say! full: http://feministing.com/2015/07/31/stay-in-your-lane-we-dont-need-rich-white-actresses-comments-on-sex-work/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The Independent Commission Against Corruption, the Canberra Times and building unions
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It was disappointing to see Jack Waterford repeat the tired Tory tropes
about the CFMEU building union's 'manipulation' of safety issues as a
justification for an Independent Commission Against Corruption in
Canberra. ('Clearly the ACT needs its own ICAC' Forum page 1 The
Canberra Times Saturday 1 August.) While the ACT does need its own ICAC,
deaths and serious injuries on building sites across the Territory show
in fact that what we need to save lives is a safety regime run by the
unions, the only people with an overriding interest in building workers'
health and safety. The Royal Commission witch-hunt into the CFMEU is
designed to destroy them precisely because the union does win better
wages and campaign for safety. Jack has fallen for the bosses' lies.
Read more here.
http://enpassant.com.au/2015/08/01/icac-the-canberra-times-and-building-unions/
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[Marxism] Attacks on Kurds reveal Turkey's Western-backed terror hypocrisy
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Tony Iltis Turkey has “joined the war against ISIS”, according to US politicians and the corporate media after a July 23 deal between the US and the Turkish government. The deal gives US war planes and drones access to Turkey's Incirlik airbase from which to conduct air strikes in Syria and Iraq. https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/59645 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The siege of Aden: Essential viewing
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The siege of Aden, Vice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKUMMdGIMDE&feature=youtu.be Essential viewing, for anyone who prefers in-depth understanding of the situation in Yemen to the cardboard cut-out characters currently popular around parts of the left. Aden, of course, is the former capital of the People's Democratic Republic of South Yemen, the only historically officially 'Marxist' republic in the Middle East. In 1990, it carried out a union with the right-wing regime in North Yemen, headed by the bloody dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh. Even by 1994, this union was widely seen throughout the south as a shambles, where the big oligarchic families of the north grabbed what they could, and the south revolted, but was crushed by Saleh. As a relevant aside: till then, Saudi Arabia had been allied with right-wing, oligarchic North Yemen against the Marxist South; but now, confronted by a united Yemen, a country with traditional nationalist aspirations which conflict with Saudi hegemony, with now nearly as many people as Saudi Arabia, the Saudis actually backed the southern revolt, and when it was crushed, gave sanctuary to defeated southern forces. Following that, however, Saudi Arabia got back to being the main backer of Saleh's dictatorship. After ruling 30 years, like other Arab tyrants, Saleh was overthrown in the Arab Spring in 2011-12. However, to limit the depth of the revolutionary upheaval, the US and Saudi Arabia engineered the famous "Yemeni Solution" (ie, the same solution the US wants for Syria, except when it is more or less openly backing Assad): Saleh himself was removed, but replaced by his deputy (Hadi) from the same party (General Peoples Congress) and the whole structure of the regime kept intact. In particular, Saleh himself still maintained strong links to his military high command. Throughout the country, different groups were dissatisfied with the arrangement. One was the Houthis, a religious-sectarian group based in the northern tip of Yemen (especially Sadaa region) among the minority Zaydi (a kind of Shiite) community. Another was the southern movement, divided between those who wanted more autonomy and more democracy overall and those who aimed to re-establish a completely independent South Yemen. And throughout the Sunni centre and south, Sunni peasants and tribal groups were getting bombed by the US (under both Saleh and then Hadi) under the pretext of the "war on Al-Qaida of the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)", the only problem being that this daily killing of these rural populations tended to boost support for AQAP as their only available weapon of defence against US terror. In mid-2014, the Houthi forces in the far north took advantage of a movement in the capital, Sanaa, that sought to further advance the democratic and anti-corruption demands of the revolution, by marching south into Sanaa and pretending to be part of that movement, but in reality they took the government hostage. The other "problem" was that the ease with which they marched into Sanaa was due to Saleh's military high command allowing them to march in. While in power, Saleh had launched 7 wars against the Houthi as they rebelled in their northern strongholds; yet now as they marched south and conquered regions that were not theirs, Saleh - bent on revenge and return to power at any cost - made an alliance with the Houthis. In January 2015, the Houthis entrenched their coup, deposing Hadi, who fled to Aden (while Saleh himself is Zaydi, and Hadi himself is a southerner, this symbolism is largely coincidental). Rejecting the coup, he called for national resistance to Saleh and the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of people came out onto the streets in Sanaa, and elsewhere throughout the centre and south, rejecting the coup; the S-H regime reacted with shootings, arrests, suppression of media etc. The Saleh-Houthi alliance then began marching south into the unabashedly Sunni, anti-Saleh and anti-Houthi south. The ease with which the Houthis, whose only social base was in the far north, conquered the south, had nothing to do with popular support in the south (non-existent, in fact a sectarian Shiite militia overrunning the Sunni south could only lead to sectarianisation of the conflict), and little to do with Iranian arming (a factor, to be sure, but not as large-scale or decisive as often claimed). No, the decisive factor was Saleh's control of the military high command; the advanced weaponry of the Yemeni armed forces, supplied over many years by the US and, ironically now, Saudi Arabia, was used together with newer Irania
