Re: [Marxism] On Trade, Donald Trump Breaks With 200 Years of Economic Orthodoxy

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On 3/11/16 11:31 PM, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote:

The economics profession has been largely pro-free trade ever since
the days of Adam Smith, although there have been always at least a
few outliers who have been willing to defend protectionism under at
least certain circumstances, such as Alexander Hamilton, who in his
Report on Manufactures, advanced a form of what economists call the
infant industries argument.


Marx and Engels were definitely not outliers.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/
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[Marxism] Fwd: Cry of Machines | Kao Kalia Yang | Granta Magazine

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(Brief memoir about factory work by a Hmong immigrant.)

Still, none of the work I did in Ban Vinai Refugee Camp has prepared me 
for what America would bring. My life in America has been a series of 
days spent within the confines of factories. For the last twenty-two 
years, I have worked with machines. Since we came to this country I have 
worked for three different companies. I was an assembler in a company 
that made coolant systems for cars. I was a general machinist for a 
second company that made wooden plaques and metal awards. With the most 
recent company, I was a second-shift polisher for different components 
that are used in industries such as canning and oil drilling. There have 
been moments in each of these jobs when my supervisors said in different 
ways, ‘Bee, you are not here to talk to me. You are here to talk to 
machines.’


full: http://granta.com/cry-of-machines/
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[Marxism] Fwd: Drugs, Dams, and Power: The Murder of Honduran Activist Berta Cáceres

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https://theintercept.com/2016/03/11/drugs-dams-and-power-the-murder-of-honduran-activist-berta-caceres/
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[Marxism] China Economic Data Paints Gloomy Picture

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WSJ, March 12 2016
China Economic Data Paints Gloomy Picture
Industrial production weaker than forecast for first two months of 2016, 
while retail sales miss usual Lunar New Year jump

By MARK MAGNIER

BEIJING—Factories and retailers in China put in weaker-than-expected 
performances in the first two months of the year, as anemic demand and 
excess capacity continued to bear down on the world’s second-largest 
economy.


Industrial production grew 5.4​% in January and February compared with a 
year earlier, down from December’s 5.9% pace, according to government 
data released Saturday, and just below the 5.6% forecast by economists 
polled by The Wall Street Journal. Meanwhile, retail sales clocked 10.2% 
growth in the two-month period, slower than December’s 11.1% increase.


While industries have been battered by the economic slowdown, retail 
sales have been relatively buoyant, so the downtick surprised some 
economists, especially since it occurred around the Lunar New Year 
holiday when consumption is usually strong.


“Overall, the picture is still quite gloomy,” said Commerzbank AG 
economist Zhou Hao. “Normally, because of Chinese New Year, there’s a 
big drop and a big jump. This year there’s only a big drop.”


The government combines some economic data for January and February to 
minimize distortions tied to the Lunar New Year holiday, which falls 
during those two months. It was in early February this year.


One area that did pick up was investment in factories, buildings and 
other fixed assets, which increased a faster-than-expected at 10.2​% 
year-over-year in January and February, compared with a 10% increase for 
all of 2015. Economists said that boost came largely from government 
spending on infrastructure and from investment in parts of the overbuilt 
property market.


Mostly, economists said, weak demand at home and abroad is weighing on 
industries and many factories continue to churn out unneeded goods. 
Jiang Yuan, an economist with China’s National Bureau of Statistics, 
said makers of steel, cement and tobacco reduced output in response to 
slack demand.


“A recovery is still eluding China’s industrial sector,” Mizuho 
Securities Asia Ltd. said in a recent report, before the release of the 
data Saturday.


Chen Zhenxing, sales manager with Zhejiang Lanxi Shanye Machinery Co., 
which produces hand carts and other logistics equipment in the eastern 
city of Jinhua, said his company faces ongoing problems raising capital 
and boosting prices.


“Competition is cutthroat,” he said. “Too many companies make products 
that are pretty much the same, so the focus turns to lowering prices.”


At the opening of the annual legislative session this month, which lasts 
through mid-March, Premier Li Keqiang pledged to reduce taxes, cut red 
tape and streamline regulations to improve conditions for businesses. 
But Mr. Chen said he hasn’t seen much evidence of change on the ground. 
“It’s useless, just slogans,” he said.


The weak production data suggest that first-quarter growth could fall 
toward the bottom of the government’s 6.5% to 7% target growth range for 
2016, economists said. Concern over wobbly growth likely spurred Beijing 
to sharply boost credit in January and step up infrastructure projects, 
they said.


“It’s only stabilizing the growth slowdown,” said HSBC Ltd. economist Ma 
Xiaoping. “It’s not a turnaround yet.”


‘Competition is cutthroat. Too many companies make products that are 
pretty much the same, so the focus turns to lowering prices.’

—Chen Zhenxing, sales manager with Zhejiang Lanxi Shanye Machinery Co.
While property is picking up, activity is largely concentrated in 
China’s largest cities. Most other cities remain beset by overcapacity 
and show little evidence of improvement, economists said.


Housing sales rose 49.2% year-over-year during the January-to-February 
period, compared with a 16.6% increase for all of 2016, the statistics 
agency said. Property investment growth is up 3% so far this year, 
compared with a 1% increase for all of 2015.


Zhang Yiping, an economist with China Merchants Securities Co., said 
property investment and domestic consumption could be China’s major 
growth drivers this year given sluggish global demand and Beijing’s 
plans to cut industrial overcapacity.


Commerzbank’s Mr. Zhou and other economists expressed concern that 
investment is flowing into a few real-estate markets that show signs of 
overheating, rather than into new ventures. “Monetary policy is relaxed, 
but it’s reluctant to go to the real economy, only to property assets,” 
he said.


The slower pace of retail sales in January and Februa

Re: [Marxism] On Trade, Donald Trump Breaks With 200 Years of Economic Orthodoxy

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And I should point out that the young Karl Marx was rather dismissive of 
Friedrich List.
https://marxists.anu.edu.au/archive/marx/works/1845/03/list.htm

Nevertheless, List, posthumously, influenced German economic policy after that 
country was united under Bismarck.

Marx & Engels, themselves, were generally supportive of free trade. But I think 
they, at least implicitly perceived some merit in the infant industries 
argument that people like Hamilton, Carey, and List had put forth. One of their 
arguments in support of Irish nationalism was that an independent Ireland would 
able to industrialize much more rapidly than it could if it remained under 
British rule, presumably because an independent Irish government would be able 
to impose some degree of protectionism to limit the influx of cheap British 
manufactures, and so allow industry to develop in Ireland.


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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 08:24:02 -0500

On 3/11/16 11:31 PM, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote:
> The economics profession has been largely pro-free trade ever since
> the days of Adam Smith, although there have been always at least a
> few outliers who have been willing to defend protectionism under at
> least certain circumstances, such as Alexander Hamilton, who in his
> Report on Manufactures, advanced a form of what economists call the
> infant industries argument.

Marx and Engels were definitely not outliers.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/


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Re: [Marxism] On Trade, Donald Trump Breaks With 200 Years of Economic Orthodoxy

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On 3/12/16 10:01 AM, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote:

And I should point out that the young Karl Marx was rather dismissive
of Friedrich List.
https://marxists.anu.edu.au/archive/marx/works/1845/03/list.htm

Nevertheless, List, posthumously, influenced German economic policy
after that country was united under Bismarck.



Back in 2003, we had a subscriber named Julio Huato who came from Mexico 
to work on an economics PhD at the New School. He has since gotten his 
degree and teaches in Brooklyn.


He raised quite a few eyebrows defending NAFTA like this:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.politics.marxism.marxmail/23891/

I think the key to understanding M&E's support for free trade is their 
identification with the bourgeois revolution. As the article I linked to 
before indicates, they were in favor of anything that developed the 
productive forces.


In the 20th century protectionism is a deeply problematic stance to take 
if the nation adopting it is like Germany or the USA. Trump is much more 
the traditional protectionist while Sanders focuses more on how bad free 
trade agreements like NAFTA and TPP are. For me the real question is how 
the Golden Age of American capitalism can be restored. From Trump's 
"making America great again" to Sanders speechifying about helping the 
middle class, there's a great deal of denial involved. Wages have been 
going down because American manufacturing (except in certain sectors 
like aerospace and software development) is not profitable. You can't 
get the genie back in the bottle. The USA launched the Cold War in order 
to penetrate the Communist world and liberate it for private property. 
Now standing victorious, the ruling class has to confront the backlash 
from its own working class that may make the old mole resurface.

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[Marxism] Trump set Chicago confrontation

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Rachel Maddow has a good video on how truck has been escalating the
violence and racist rhetoric at his rallies leading up to last night.

He uncharacteristically held this rally at a downtown University Center not
a suburb. There is a large black and Muslim population at UIC there was
already a petition with 4,000 signatures opposing the rally. The University
Center where the rally was held was not owned by the University so they
couldn't call it off.

Chicago Police or University Police ask call off the rally was his lie and
the violence didn't break out until he called off the rally. That's how he
set the situation up.

Police did coordinate later by the denying protesters an intersection they
had promised them earlier.

This is how a fascist movement is being built in America.
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[Marxism] South Sudan nightmares

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(Maybe Patrick Bond is more right than not when he says of oil, "leave 
it in the ground".


NY Times, Mar. 12 2016
In South Sudan, City of Hope Is Now City of Fear
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN

JUBA, South Sudan — Diu Tut glanced up at the gates of the displaced 
persons camp where he lives and shook his head.


“I can’t go out there,” he said.

“Why not?” he was asked.

“Because of this,” he said, rubbing the soft tribal scars on his 
forehead that mark him as a member of the Nuer ethnic group. “It’s my 
death certificate.”


A lot of people in this town feel the same way. Juba, South Sudan’s 
capital — and this whole country, for that matter — has slid so far from 
where its people dreamed it would go.


The Republic of South Sudan is not even five years old, but already 
50,000 people have been killed in an ethnically driven civil war replete 
with mass rape, civilian massacres, countless people displaced, killings 
at hospitals and now children starving to death in sunshine-flooded 
pediatric wards, skin peeling off their little backs like paint chips 
flaking off old wood.


On paper, the war is supposed to be over. An agreement solidified last 
month calls for a cessation of hostilities, the formation of a joint 
security force and the end of the political feud that started the war. 
Riek Machar, the rebel leader accused of staging a coup attempt more 
than two years ago, is supposed to return to his position as vice president.


But most people here do not believe what’s on paper.

In the camp where Mr. Tut and tens of thousands of other displaced Nuer 
live, few feel safe enough to venture out, peace deal or not. The camp 
is on Juba’s outskirts and many camp dwellers have homes less than two 
miles away. They fled at the outbreak of the civil war, and even now 
they say they will be killed if they try to return.


Juba has turned into a messy city of great fear. Just five years ago, on 
the eve of independence, it was ebullient. After decades of war and 
millions of lives lost to free itself from Sudan, the nation was 
burdened with daunting problems, of course, but it was also brimming 
with promise. Flags flapped proudly in the air and a clock counted down 
the days to independence, decorated with the words “Free at Last.”


But even after billions of aid dollars, many roads remain dirt, covered 
by a thin, crunchy layer of crushed plastic water bottles. Boys on 
motorbikes putter past smoking piles of garbage. Pickup trucks packed 
with soldiers careen recklessly into traffic, the young men in back 
angrily shaking their machine guns at anyone unfortunate enough to cross 
their paths.


At night, shots ring out and people are killed.

The government chalks up Juba’s continuing violence to what it calls 
“unknown gunmen,” but there is little investigation. Most people believe 
the culprits are government soldiers, anyway. They just can’t say that 
too loudly for fear that they will be next.


On Friday, the United Nations said that all parties to the conflict had 
committed serious and systematic violence against civilians, but it 
singled out forces loyal to the government as the worst offenders.


The United Nations recorded gruesome accounts from civilians, including 
of women and children being hanged from trees, burned alive or shot and 
hacked to pieces with machetes. Churches, mosques and hospitals have 
come under attack, the United Nations said.


Much of the bloodshed is caused by the bitter, ethnically tinged rivalry 
between the government, led by members of the Dinka ethnic group, and 
Mr. Machar’s rebel alliance, made up of mostly Nuer. But some of the 
worst violence, such as the fighting last year that left chopped up body 
parts scattered across the swamps, was Nuer versus Nuer, grisly evidence 
of a society splintering deeper and deeper.


Before the civil war broke out in December 2013, South Sudan’s economy 
had one thing going for it: oil. But the oil fields soon became battle 
zones, and then the world oil price plummeted. On top of that, the oil 
deal South Sudan triumphantly signed with Sudan after splitting off from 
it in 2011 is not looking so great anymore.


When it comes to oil production, the two Sudans are hopelessly linked. 
The south is home to the biggest reserves; the north has the pipelines 
to export it.


Instead of splitting profits, South Sudan agreed to pay Sudan a flat fee 
for every barrel pumped through the northern pipeline. That transit fee, 
along with some other debt South Sudan has to repay to Sudan, amounts to 
around $25 a barrel. But with the global oil price hovering around $40 a 
barrel, South Sudan is now steadily draining its mos

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I just received a tweet saying your twitter and FB accounts had been
deactivated. Definitely true for twitter. Does anybody know what's
happening?



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[Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] France's David Horowitz

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NY Times, Mar. 12 2016
Once Hopeful for Harmony, a Philosopher Voices Discord in France
The Saturday Profile
By ADAM NOSSITER

PARIS — HE is the intellectual much of the French left loves to hate, 
the writer whose rumpled look has racked up multiple magazine covers, 
the bookish essayist turned omnipresent media star and boogeyman for 
proselytizers of painless multiculturalism. Alain Finkielkraut’s mere 
presence in a television studio raises temperatures and sends 
accusations of racism flying.


“For the good of France, shut up, Mr. Finkielkraut!” a young Muslim 
woman, a teacher from the suburbs, said recently on live television, 
throwing back to Mr. Finkielkraut his own words, after a televised 
harangue aimed at him several years earlier in a similar confrontation.


After several dozen books, an influential weekly radio show, frequent 
interview requests and his induction in January into one of French 
civilization’s holiest — albeit most conservative — shrines, the 
Académie Française, Mr. Finkielkraut has no intention of shutting up.


A former philosophy professor at France’s elite École Polytechnique, he 
is arguably the most visible of France’s public intellectuals. “We have 
seen only you, we have heard only you, we have read only you,” the 
historian Pierre Nora said, as Mr. Finkielkraut listened under the 
academy’s ornate dome, during the traditional induction speech.


The national audience for Mr. Finkielkraut’s themes, returned to 
obsessively and buttressed by a seamless web of references, is now 
larger than ever in the wake of the terrorist attacks of 2015.


Before and after the attacks, those themes have not varied: Much of 
Islam is radically incompatible with French culture and society; Muslim 
immigrants represent a threat; French schools are crumbling under a 
mistaken multicultural outreach; the inherited corpus of French culture 
is in danger; and anti-Semitism is on the rise again, this time by way 
of Islam.


Many of the 2015 attackers were French. “Hatred of France is present in 
France,” Mr. Finkielkraut said in a recent interview. “What the attacks 
proved is that we have a redoubtable and determined enemy.”


He has caught a national mood, bridging unease over relations with the 
country’s Muslim minority with a nascent renewal of national pride after 
the November attacks. Its expression by Mr. Finkielkraut has been 
delivered, over many years, with all the fervor of the immigrants’ son 
who has succeeded. But in Mr. Finkielkraut’s pessimistic vision this 
fusion is dark-robed.


His last substantial book, “The Unhappy Identity,” was a best seller in 
France — a compact lament over declining standards in schools, the 
pernicious effects of multiculturalism, the oppression of women under 
Islam and France’s self-alienation from its own heritage.


The book’s protest over neighborhoods where “the French feel they have 
become strangers on their own turf” under the weight of Muslim 
immigration led critics to put him in the camp of the far-right National 
Front — a charge he rejects.


“France is on its way to disintegration,” Mr. Finkielkraut said in the 
interview in his Left Bank apartment, every book-lined inch underscoring 
his distrust of the Internet. The prosperous, pleasant and largely 
white-populated streets outside are far from the troubled multiracial 
suburbs that are his preoccupation.


“Until recently, France was successful in integrating its immigrants — 
that was even its pride,” he said. “Today, it is disintegrating in front 
of our eyes.” The French model of integration “doesn’t work anymore,” he 
said. “Where one could have hoped for a certain harmony, it is hatred 
that prevails.”


“Today, when some, like me, speak of the problem of Islam, we are 
denounced as the successors of Maurras and Barrès,” said Mr. 
Finkielkraut, naming two influential far-right thinkers of pre-World War 
II France. “There is a refusal to think about this era on its own terms.”


MR. FINKIELKRAUT’S political roots are on the left, though.

His father was a Jewish leather craftsman, an immigrant from Poland who 
survived deportation to Auschwitz after being rounded up by the French 
police in 1942. Born in Paris in 1949, Mr. Finkielkraut attended the 
prestigious Lycée Henri-IV school, demonstrated with other leftist 
students during the May 1968 uprising, went on to teach French 
literature at the University of California, Berkeley, and from 1989 
taught philosophy at the École Polytechnique, from which he is now retired.


His wife, the lawyer Sylvie Topaloff, has been quoted as lamenting the 
friends they have lost over her husband’s political views. Ye

Re: [Marxism] Trumped?

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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago

When Ja’Mal Green, a prominent black activist and Bernie Sanders supporter
in Chicago, saw that Donald Trump was coming to the University of Illinois
Chicago, he knew what he had to do. “Everyone, get your tickets to this.
We’re all going in ‪#‎SHUTITDOWN‬,” he posted on Facebook last week.

Little did he know they actually would shut it down.

Friday night, hundreds of protesters invaded Trump’s rally while thousands
more marched outside, leading the candidate to abruptly cancel the event
due to safety concerns. The night spun out from there, as angry Trump fans
clashed with protesters, who saw the shutdown as a victory.

*RELATED: GOP candidates accuse Donald Trump of encouraging violence at
rallies
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Protesters interrupt virtually every Trump speech. But what made Chicago
different were its scale and the organization behind the effort. Hundreds
of young, largely black and brown people poured in from across the city,
taking over whole sections of the arena and bracing for trouble.

And as the repeated chants of “Ber-nie” demonstrated, it was largely
organized by supporters of Bernie Sanders, the Democratic presidential
candidate who has struggled to win over black voters, but whose
revolutionary streak has excited radicals of all colors.

“Remember the #TrumpRally wasn’t just luck. It took organizers from dozens
of organizations and thousands of people to pull off. Great work,” tweeted
 People
for Bernie, a large unofficial pro-Sanders organization founded by veterans
of the Occupy movement and other lefty activists.
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Re: [Marxism] Trump set Chicago confrontation

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Clay I'm not clear on what you're saying (partly because you need to edit
your post for grammar). And it matters because the kids going gaga over
last night's events clearly don't have an adequate education in what
fascism is and how to fight it.

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> Rachel Maddow has a good video on how truck has been escalating the
> violence and racist rhetoric at his rallies leading up to last night.
>
> He uncharacteristically held this rally at a downtown University Center not
> a suburb. There is a large black and Muslim population at UIC there was
> already a petition with 4,000 signatures opposing the rally. The University
> Center where the rally was held was not owned by the University so they
> couldn't call it off.
>
> Chicago Police or University Police ask call off the rally was his lie and
> the violence didn't break out until he called off the rally. That's how he
> set the situation up.
>
> Police did coordinate later by the denying protesters an intersection they
> had promised them earlier.
>
> This is how a fascist movement is being built in America.
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[Marxism] Trump set Chicago confrontation

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Andrew Pollack said:
Clay I'm not clear on what you're saying (partly because you need to edit
your post for grammar). And it matters because the kids going gaga over
last night's events clearly don't have an adequate education in what
fascism is and how to fight it.

Ken Hiebert replies:
I am further from the events than you are.  Most of what I know comes from 
watching television.
No doubt, you and other experienced leftists have something to bring to the 
anti-Trump movement which is necessarily very diverse.  But I think they are 
getting something right.  Our forces need to be in the street.  The larger the 
demonstrations, the better.
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Re: [Marxism] Trump set Chicago confrontation

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Are we not supposed to be going ga-ga? I think what they did was good, I
just hope next time he hosts his rally in a place with a gas leak.

- Amith

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> Clay I'm not clear on what you're saying (partly because you need to edit
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> last night's events clearly don't have an adequate education in what
> fascism is and how to fight it.
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> watching television.
> No doubt, you and other experienced leftists have something to bring to
> the anti-Trump movement which is necessarily very diverse.  But I think
> they are getting something right.  Our forces need to be in the street.
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[Marxism] Fwd: The Ukrainian left and Russian imperialism 1918-1923. Information for the uninformed

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Introduction to Stephen Velychenko's "Painting Imperialism and 
Nationalism Red: The Ukrainian Marxist Critique of Russian Communist 
Rule in Ukraine, 1918-1925"


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Re: [Marxism] Trump set Chicago confrontation

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Sorry for the grammar. It was a voice translation from my phone.

I'm saying that I think he very skilfully set-up yesterday's confrontation.
Rachel Maddow as a good piece on how he has been escalating the rhetoric of
attacks on protesters since Feb. 1.
He held this event at UIC knowing it would attract a lot of anti-Trump
protesters.
He didn't filter people as usual at his rallies, protesters had no trouble
getting in.
He let the place fill up 50/50 with supporters and protesters and then he
cancelled.
No law enforcement is claiming to have advised the cancelling.

His SS protection thing of stage today was no doubt a staged follow up.

He is proving to be a master of manipulation and the media is backing him.


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On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Andrew Pollack 
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> Clay I'm not clear on what you're saying (partly because you need to edit
> your post for grammar). And it matters because the kids going gaga over
> last night's events clearly don't have an adequate education in what
> fascism is and how to fight it.
>
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>> Rachel Maddow has a good video on how truck has been escalating the
>> violence and racist rhetoric at his rallies leading up to last night.
>>
>> He uncharacteristically held this rally at a downtown University Center
>> not
>> a suburb. There is a large black and Muslim population at UIC there was
>> already a petition with 4,000 signatures opposing the rally. The
>> University
>> Center where the rally was held was not owned by the University so they
>> couldn't call it off.
>>
>> Chicago Police or University Police ask call off the rally was his lie and
>> the violence didn't break out until he called off the rally. That's how he
>> set the situation up.
>>
>> Police did coordinate later by the denying protesters an intersection they
>> had promised them earlier.
>>
>> This is how a fascist movement is being built in America.
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Re: [Marxism] Trump set Chicago confrontation

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thanks
now I get it, and it makes sense

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Clay Claiborne  wrote:

> Sorry for the grammar. It was a voice translation from my phone.
>
> I'm saying that I think he very skilfully set-up yesterday's confrontation.
> Rachel Maddow as a good piece on how he has been escalating the rhetoric
> of attacks on protesters since Feb. 1.
> He held this event at UIC knowing it would attract a lot of anti-Trump
> protesters.
> He didn't filter people as usual at his rallies, protesters had no trouble
> getting in.
> He let the place fill up 50/50 with supporters and protesters and then he
> cancelled.
> No law enforcement is claiming to have advised the cancelling.
>
> His SS protection thing of stage today was no doubt a staged follow up.
>
> He is proving to be a master of manipulation and the media is backing him.
>
>
> Clay Claiborne, Director
> Vietnam: American Holocaust 
> Linux Beach Productions
> Venice, CA 90291
> (310) 581-1536
>
> Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
> 
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Andrew Pollack 
> wrote:
>
>> Clay I'm not clear on what you're saying (partly because you need to edit
>> your post for grammar). And it matters because the kids going gaga over
>> last night's events clearly don't have an adequate education in what
>> fascism is and how to fight it.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism <
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>>>
>>> Rachel Maddow has a good video on how truck has been escalating the
>>> violence and racist rhetoric at his rallies leading up to last night.
>>>
>>> He uncharacteristically held this rally at a downtown University Center
>>> not
>>> a suburb. There is a large black and Muslim population at UIC there was
>>> already a petition with 4,000 signatures opposing the rally. The
>>> University
>>> Center where the rally was held was not owned by the University so they
>>> couldn't call it off.
>>>
>>> Chicago Police or University Police ask call off the rally was his lie
>>> and
>>> the violence didn't break out until he called off the rally. That's how
>>> he
>>> set the situation up.
>>>
>>> Police did coordinate later by the denying protesters an intersection
>>> they
>>> had promised them earlier.
>>>
>>> This is how a fascist movement is being built in America.
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Re: [Marxism] Trump set Chicago confrontation

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This is a youtube clip of the Rachel Maddow talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuTe_sAI-UQ
Its very important that we get this right. Its important to protest Trump.
Its also important that we don't play into his hands.

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On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Andrew Pollack 
wrote:

> thanks
> now I get it, and it makes sense
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Clay Claiborne 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the grammar. It was a voice translation from my phone.
>>
>> I'm saying that I think he very skilfully set-up yesterday's
>> confrontation.
>> Rachel Maddow as a good piece on how he has been escalating the rhetoric
>> of attacks on protesters since Feb. 1.
>> He held this event at UIC knowing it would attract a lot of anti-Trump
>> protesters.
>> He didn't filter people as usual at his rallies, protesters had no
>> trouble getting in.
>> He let the place fill up 50/50 with supporters and protesters and then he
>> cancelled.
>> No law enforcement is claiming to have advised the cancelling.
>>
>> His SS protection thing of stage today was no doubt a staged follow up.
>>
>> He is proving to be a master of manipulation and the media is backing him.
>>
>>
>> Clay Claiborne, Director
>> Vietnam: American Holocaust 
>> Linux Beach Productions
>> Venice, CA 90291
>> (310) 581-1536
>>
>> Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
>> 
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Andrew Pollack 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Clay I'm not clear on what you're saying (partly because you need to
>>> edit your post for grammar). And it matters because the kids going gaga
>>> over last night's events clearly don't have an adequate education in what
>>> fascism is and how to fight it.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism <
>>> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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 Rachel Maddow has a good video on how truck has been escalating the
 violence and racist rhetoric at his rallies leading up to last night.

 He uncharacteristically held this rally at a downtown University Center
 not
 a suburb. There is a large black and Muslim population at UIC there was
 already a petition with 4,000 signatures opposing the rally. The
 University
 Center where the rally was held was not owned by the University so they
 couldn't call it off.

 Chicago Police or University Police ask call off the rally was his lie
 and
 the violence didn't break out until he called off the rally. That's how
 he
 set the situation up.

 Police did coordinate later by the denying protesters an intersection
 they
 had promised them earlier.

 This is how a fascist movement is being built in America.
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[Marxism] woman arrested in France for wearing T-shirt critical of Israeli apartheid

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