[Marxism] Pilger on why the vote for Brexit
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[Marxism] Fwd: Should the US strike Assad now?
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Re: [Marxism] David Laibman, Review of *“The Most Dangerous Communist in the United States”: A Biography of Herbert Aptheker*, by Gary Murrell
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Once, when much. much younger, I heard him speak. He explained that the Hungarian Revolution, 1956, was a plot by the CIA, that took place against and behind the backs of the socialist Hungarian people, and that the Russian tanks that rolled into Budapest were called for by the Hungarian people to crush counter-revolutionaries, and merely defending socialism. T -Original Message- >From: Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo via Marxism >Sent: Jun 28, 2016 12:10 AM >To: Thomas F Barton >Subject: [Marxism] David Laibman, Review of *“The Most Dangerous Communist in >the United States”: A Biography of Herbert Aptheker*, by Gary Murrell > > POSTING RULES & NOTES >#1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >#2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >#3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >* > >Science & Society July 2016, Vol. 80, No. 3: 437-440 > >“The Most Dangerous Communist in the United States”: A Biography of Herbert >Aptheker, by Gary Murrell. Afterword by Bettina Aptheker. Amherst/ Boston, >Massachusetts: University of Massachusetts Press, 2015. Paper, $29.95. Pp. >xviii, 444. > >Gary Murrell, Professor of History at Grays Harbor College in Washington >State, has given us a much-needed comprehensive study of the life and work of >Dr. Herbert Aptheker, Marxist historian and political theoretician. Aptheker’s >scholarship on the African American people — with dozens of published works, >including the monumental Documentary History of the Negro People in the United >States — set the direction of historical research in this area, despite being >ignored, repressed and vilified in official academia and in the publishing >world. His long association with Dr. W. E. B. Du Bois, and his multi-decade >editorship of that scholar’s legacy, resulting in another 44 volumes, are yet >another signal contribution to U. S. and world letters. His virtual odyssey >across the USA’s college campuses, in speaking tours that again spanned >decades, became a major element in the counterattack against McCarthy-era >repression, and thus in the emergence of the New Left in the 1960s. His >testimony in various Smith Act and McCarran Act trials made him a principal >voice of reason and the quest for political and intellectual freedom. Finally, >his staunch support of the Communist Party USA and his steadfastness in >defense of that organization — despite many complexities and tensions in his >evolving relationship with the Party’s leadership, and his eventual break with >the Party — make him an exceptional, and controversial, figure in the American >left in the 20th century and beyond. All of this, and more, is covered in >Murrell’s book, based on impressive references, archival study, and many hours >of interviews, including centrally with Dr. Aptheker himself. > >The story is told in 26 chapters, arranged broadly (if not entirely) in >chronological order, covering Aptheker’s early life; his research on slavery >and on slave rebellion in the U. S. South; his ever-troubled relationship to >the academic and publishing establishment, especially within the history >profession; Aptheker’s role in the military in World War II; his defense of >the CPUSA during the McCarthy-era attacks; conflicts within the Party >concerning control over the publication activities of Party members (including >his daughter, Bettina); founding and building of the American Institute for >Marxist Studies; running for Congress in the 12th CD in Brooklyn; the trip to >Hanoi, with Staughton Lynd and Tom Hayden; the long struggle to publish the Du >Bois papers and letters; the movement to free Angela Davis after her arrest, >following the events at the courthouse in San Rafael, California, in August >1970; the fateful 25th Convention of the CPUSA in Cleveland, in December 1991 >and the founding of the Committees of Correspondence; and the final years in >California, during which Aptheker finally achieved some recognition in >academia and secured some teaching posts, which had long been denied him. > >On the personal level, we learn of Aptheker’s deep and loving relationship >with his wife of many years, Fay, and their daughter Bettina. The latter’s >recent testimony concerning sexual abuse by her father during her childhood is >discussed in a forthright and dignified manner in the Preface, and is also >addressed in Bettina’s “Afterword.” > >There are many complex, and often troubling, stories packed into this life, >and no pos
[Marxism] Fwd: The Free State of Jones | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
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[Marxism] More on the UK political scene
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Brexit has brought British politics onto the list and that is a source of something l very much welcome, for the absence of threads on UK and Irish politics has been a source of frustration for me. Perhaps it is my Eurocentrism at work but I feel that what happens in the UK is very important for Australia. Now if comrades will forgive me I will express a wish that we post in a comradely fashion. We will disagree of course but let us show ourselves as non-abusive thinkers and non-sectarian activists. Let us reserve our anger for those who are the enemies of humanity. I have read the Finger and Greenslade articles and they are very informative. But I have a reservation about some of their formulations. I am unhappy about the calling into being of a great swathe of people who seem to be outside our political ken. I refer to those who live in the former Labour heartlands. I have in mind that commentators are painting a picture of us on the Left looking over a fence at something like the lumpen proletariat. What we are dealing with are those people who have been driven into misery by the turn to neoliberalism that took place in the early 70s and which Social Democratic and Labor Parties acquiesce to. We all know that. We all also understand there were a series of defeats for the Left which were essential to that process. In the UK, Bennism was defeated and eventually largely purged. Then the miners were clubbed into the ground. But Benn was defeated first in the cabinet discussion by Healey and Callaghan in 1976. In Australia, the Whitlam government was sacked by an extra-parliamentary coup in 1975, but even before that the Keynesian treasurer Jim Cairns was overthrown in very murky circumstances in 1974. Listers can fill in similar events for their own countries. The conversion of the Labor/SD Parties to neoliberalism and the embrace of what Mair called "responsibility" has spawned great bitterness, and misery and disorientation. A defeated Left could not offer a response here. It is not that we did not know what was needed, it is just that no one at all was listening. But nothing stays the same. A new generation born under neoliberalism has emerged that is finding its way, in its own way, to politics. I did that in the 60s and the new generation are doing now in this decade. Corbyn and Sanders have been chosen as flag bearers for this new movement. Those who now inhabit the shells of the parties that compromised with Neoliberalism, (in Britain it is the Blairite faction largely), think they can see off this challenge. Unlike Sanders in the States who will embrace Clinton, though Corbyn will not compromise apparently. He is now in the role of the "meddlesome priest" and my respect for him has grown exponentially. The pressure though on him is enormous. No one should doubt that. His strength though is that unlike his enemies he has a mass movement to draw upon. Should he stand firm and take his movement to the heartlands he might be able to create a mass Left Party. In the States if Sanders had decided to go to the Greens and stands with them something very radical might have emerged. But Sanders lay down with the dogs of the Democratic Party and unsurprisingly he got fleas. So where are we? Well I have to get ready to go to work! and will break off here, without having aid much - oops sorry. But I will rejoin conversation later. comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Brexit and Labour Party crisis in twitterdom
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Re: [Marxism] Brexit and Labour Party crisis in twitterdom
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * So the Labour Party held the no confidence vote in Jeremy Corbyn today. 172 MPs voted to say they had no confidence in their leader and 40 voted to support him. This means the coup has successfully deepened and widened and what started in the Blairite camps has spread through the centre and soft left MPs who had previously sided with Jezza. This all means that a leadership election is inevitable – the *crucial* question in the short term is whether Corbyn is automatically placed on any new ballot (the opposition argue that this is not the case. If it isn’t then he’s unlikely to get the numbers needed to put him there. He’ll go and so will tens of thousands of new members). If he is automatically on the ballot however, then there’s nothing to suggest that he still doesn’t enjoy overwhelming support from the membership and won’t be returned as leader. Even so, the scale of opposition (81%) makes the smooth running of the party impossible; this is obviously no small problem. More importantly, Corbyn’s wider popularity is still untested (sort of - he has consistently abysmal approval ratings but defied expectations in local elections twice this year - if he hadn’t then this coup would have happened a lot earlier). This is a *real* problem although I feel slightly dirty to admit it as the plotters are using it as the pretext for their coup. It is a real problem though because there is likely to be a snap general election before Christmas designed to give Cameron’s successor the mandate they’ll obviously need considering the UK is currently an anarchy with nobody leading government or the opposition. So another consequence of Brexit is that Corbynism is likely to be given its ultimate test way before anybody envisaged. I’m afraid I don’t believe Corbyn can win a GE (I’d obviously love him too but that’s not the point). I’ll continue to support him and go to any more demo’s as needed but I think the smart move would be to try and reunite Labour by offering Jeremy to step down but only if he’s replaced with McDonnell - preferably uncontested - but even if not, McDonnell would receive the same thumping mandate as Corbyn. This is unlikely to appease the rebels however, as McDonnell is Corbyn’s closest ally and from precisely the same political mould. My reason for suggesting it is simply that I think McDonnell is genuinely electable and the media would have little time to compile/ compose the sort of character assassination against him as they already have Corbyn. Corbyn has just refused to resign (which is the response everybody expected). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary MacLennan _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Brexit: A Victory for the Populist Right | New Politics
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Seeing the whole picture after the referendum |SocialistWorker.org
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Seeing the whole picture after the referendum |SocialistWorker.org
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I knew Charlie from my swp days; he lives around the corner from me still I would imagine. Actually, to be honest, on the UK left more or less everybody knows everybody else. There’s a lot to agree with here but I still maintain its an issue that most of the commentariat do not know of who they speak. Not a clue. Particularly as most don’t venture beyond London and often have little clue of the hand-to-mouth nature of many other people’s lives. For many, pontificating on politics is a luxury they can’t afford. I couldn’t help but laugh either when he uses formulations that imply ‘historical missions’ etc. but some habits die hard I guess. This Grauniad article is quite interesting in pointing out just how fractured things actually are rather than just relying on the lazy ‘us and them’ optic (and sort of ties in with the Brexit threads and the Corbyn post from Gary yesterday): http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/jun/28/why-jeremy-corbyn-is-not-the-labour-partys-real-problem Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Louis Proyect via Marxism _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: So You Think You Can Take Over the Democratic Party? – The South Lawn
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[Marxism] Fwd: Seeing the whole picture after the referendum | SocialistWorker.org
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[Marxism] Fwd: Think You’ve Got It Locked, Hillary? Meet Jill Stein. - POLITICO Magazine
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[Marxism] Poll Finds Opening for Third-Party Candidates as Clinton, Trump Remain Unpopular
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * WSJ, June 28 2016 Poll Finds Opening for Third-Party Candidates as Clinton, Trump Remain Unpopular Deep dislike for the two leading candidates could scramble the race as some voters seek alternatives By PETER NICHOLAS Deep dislike for the two leading presidential candidates is creating an opening for third-party hopefuls, potentially scrambling the race as voters cast about for alternatives, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows. With majorities of registered voters holding negative views of Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump, two other candidates notched a level of support that could prove meaningful in a tight race. Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Party candidate Jill Stein together drew backing from 16% of the 1,000 people surveyed. When voters had the option of choosing the third-party candidates, Mrs. Clinton’s lead over Mr. Trump dropped from 5 percentage points to 1 point. The presence of third-party candidates on the ballot could add a measure of unpredictability to the election. The Libertarian Party expects to be on the ballot in all 50 states, the Green Party in at least three-quarters of states. Mrs. Clinton led Mr. Trump by 46% to 41% when voters were asked which of the two they favored. Mrs. Clinton led by only a single point, 39% to 38%, when voters could also choose Mr. Johnson or Ms. Stein. On the four-candidate ballot, some 83% of those who favored Mrs. Clinton in a two-way race stuck with her as their preference, while 13% split off and threw their support to Mr. Johnson or Ms. Stein. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton share unusually high negative ratings from voters according to a new WSJ/NBC News poll. The unprecedented pessimism is creating a highly polarized dynamic among voters. Photo: AP Given the same choices, 89% of Trump voters stayed loyal to him, while 9% moved to Mr. Johnson or Ms. Stein. The poll also shows that independent voters could be an important factor in the election. Polling in the fall of 2012 found that only 11% of independents favored third-party candidates in that presidential race, compared with 35% in the new Journal/NBC News survey, which was conducted June 19-23. Indeed, Mr. Johnson outpaced Mrs. Clinton among independents, 23% to 15%, in the new poll. Those whose views on the race haven’t hardened seem open to choosing Mr. Johnson or Ms. Stein. These “persuadable” voters comprised nearly three in 10 of those surveyed. Of them, 28% leaned toward Mr. Trump and 25% toward Mrs. Clinton. Some 21% favored Mr. Johnson and 12% went for Ms. Stein. Pollsters cautioned that voters are more apt in the summer before an election to say they will back third-party candidates. When the race heats up in the fall, they often revert to the major-party contenders. Yet the 2016 presidential race has often defied conventional thinking. One difference between this election and past ones is the unpopularity of the two main candidates. Some 55% of voters said in the new survey that they saw Mrs. Clinton in a negative light. For Mr. Trump, the figure was 60%. The ratings are worse than those of any Republican or Democratic nominee dating to 1992. When asked if they backed Mr. Trump or Mrs. Clinton in the general election, 9% told the interviewers that they would vote for neither. The poll suggests that voters feel little personal connection to either candidate. Asked if they shared Mrs. Clinton’s values, 36% said yes while 61% said no. Only 30% said they shared Mr. Trump’s values, compared with 68% who said they didn’t. Those numbers are far worse than for any of the Republican and Democratic nominees in 2008 and 2012. On this measure, Mrs. Clinton has lost ground compared with her first presidential bid, in 2008. In April of that year, voters were evenly split on the question of whether they shared her values. Fred Yang, a Democratic pollster who conducted the Journal/NBC News survey with Republican Bill McInturff, said: “This really will be an election in which voters will be holding their noses.” Mr. McInturff said: “Given the historic dissatisfaction with the two major-party candidates, there’s an opening for a larger share of the vote for the third- and fourth-party candidates than we’ve seen since [Ross] Perot.” Running as an independent in 1992, Mr. Perot captured 19% of the vote, finishing behind Republican President George H.W. Bush and then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, who won the election. Mr. Perot ran again in 1996 and finished with 8% of the vote. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. Write to Peter Nich
[Marxism] Fwd: Inside Charles Koch's Plot to Hijack Universities Across America and Spread His Radical 'Free-Market' Propaganda | Alternet
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Re: [Marxism] Brexit and imperial privilege
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Defensiveness and incomprehension? You either have real issues with arrogance or the sort of dull grasp on reality that comes from belonging to a group of a dozen or so deluded trots with a propensity for looking at their feet when talking to the public. It would be a dumb defence indeed that began by personally questioning whether I voted correctly. My messages were intended to be collegial/ anecdotal (I wish I hadn’t bothered) from somebody here rather than somebody else attempting to concoct a party line from afar. In that regard we probably inhabit different universes. I have no pretensions about leading the masses. I voted as an individual and didn’t try to convince anybody else to vote either way (indeed, my partner went the opposite way to me). What I am saying is your analysis is dangerously simplistic – not to defend some position that I don’t have – but because it is. For 10 of the 12 week campaign the main focus (from the remain side who made their voice louder) was the economy and not immigration. On a daily basis, ‘captains of industry’, asset managers, business leaders, celebrities and world leaders were wheeled out to tell everybody they were better in and biblical plagues would surely follow withdrawal (‘project fear’; psephology 101 – ‘it’s the economy, stupid’). The remain side consistently polled ahead of leave, and again – because I don’t follow an unbending line like a lobotomised trotbot – I intended to vote remain. It was the daily drubbing from neoliberals telling us all we couldn’t survive without them (without scarcely considering we’ve been lucky to last this long with them) that made me switch to leave. At that last-minute point, voting against Goldman Sachs didn’t seem to me the sort of ethical dilemma you apparently predicted with such prescience. Your assertion that attacks on the street/ the rise of the right was always a foregone conclusion according to determinations thrown up by the referendum is complete and utter nonsense. As should be clear by now, this isn’t a defence of my vote (that wouldn’t make sense in the context of what I’ve already written) but calling bullshit on the conceit that you saw all this coming in the parameters you suggest. As you’ve rightly said, the campaign was shaped by right-wing opinion from all sides (Corbyn being a nominal remainer but largely absent). And, as I said similarly, both sides were racist to varying degrees (leave more so, particularly in the final stages) meaning this wasn’t a simple binary. Both sides tried to marginalise Farage (think: the relationship between GOP and Trump) but it was the In side that delivered Farage a default platform because Cameron preferred arguing with him to avoid debating fellow Tories and maintain some party unity. When Farage produced an obscene poster reminiscent of Nazi propaganda he was denounced by both leave and remain. Such was the campaign. Add to this huge feelings of resentment from the parts of the country left behind by neoliberalism and it becomes more accurate to say it was the atmosphere of the whole campaign + four decades of an ever declining social safety net that created the situation we’re now in. In short, a pressure keg seeking a release valve which was (stupidly) delivered in the form of the referendum. The main point being that the far left throwing their paltry weight behind remain would have made zero difference. Remain winning by a slender margin would have made no difference. The same people would still have channelled decades of grievance – and lashed out violently in some cases - in what has felt like a fleeting moment of enfranchisement, rather than being emboldened, as your analysis would suggest. This would have been the result of a close leave or remain, and as I’ve said, the left were never in any position to alter the vote meaningfully (I.e. at all). Finally, I think you’re wrong to dichotomise the economics of the EU and the right wing reaction they are producing all over the continent – making the argument that remain equalled a simple win for anti-racism even murkier in my opinion. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: MM _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Brexit and imperial privilege
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Re: [Marxism] Brexit and imperial privilege
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Defensiveness and incomprehension? You either have real issues with arrogance or the sort of dull grasp on reality that comes from belonging to a group of a dozen or so deluded trots with a propensity for looking at their feet when talking to the public. It would be a dumb defence indeed that began by personally questioning whether I voted correctly. My messages were intended to be collegial/ anecdotal (I wish I hadn’t bothered) from somebody here rather than somebody else attempting to concoct a party line from afar. In that regard we probably inhabit different universes. I have no pretensions about leading the masses. I voted as an individual and didn’t try to convince anybody else to vote either way (indeed, my partner went the opposite way to me). What I am saying is your analysis is dangerously simplistic – not to defend some position that I don’t have – but because it is. For 10 of the 12 week campaign the main focus (from the remain side who made their voice louder) was the economy and not immigration. On a daily basis, ‘captains of industry’, asset managers, business leaders, celebrities and world leaders were wheeled out to tell everybody they were better in and biblical plagues would surely follow withdrawal (‘project fear’; psephology 101 – ‘it’s the economy, stupid’). The remain side consistently polled ahead of leave, and again – because I don’t follow an unbending line like a lobotomised trotbot – I intended to vote remain. It was the daily drubbing from neoliberals telling us all we couldn’t survive without them (without ever considering we’ve been lucky to last this long with them) that made me switch to leave. At that last-minute point, voting against Goldman Sachs didn’t seem to me the sort of ethical dilemma you apparently predicted with such prescience. Your assertion that attacks on the street/ the rise of the right was always a foregone conclusion according to determinations thrown up by the referendum is complete and utter nonsense. As should be clear by now, this isn’t a defence of my vote (that wouldn’t make sense in the context of what I’ve already written) but calling bullshit on the conceit that you saw all this coming in the parameters you suggest. As you’ve rightly said, the campaign was shaped by right-wing opinion from all sides (Corbyn being a nominal remainer but largely absent). And, as I said similarly, both sides were racist to varying degrees (leave more so, particularly in the final stages) meaning this wasn’t a simple binary. Both sides tried to marginalise Farage (think: the relationship between GOP and Trump) but it was the In side that delivered Farage a default platform because Cameron preferred arguing with him to avoid debating fellow Tories and maintain some party unity. When Farage produced an obscene poster reminiscent of Nazi propaganda he was denounced by both leave and remain. What nobody considered was that large parts of the country who rightfully feel resentful at being left behind by neoliberalism didn’t give a fuck In short, the inter-dynamics between different sides were as distorted by Westminster politics as much as any thought of EU membership. You could argue that even if both sides were racist it is well-known here that the far-right have always favoured leave. But you could truthfully say that of the far left until the 90s. In short, the campaign from both sides EU Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: MM Sent: 28 June 2016 02:19 To: marinercarpen...@gmail.com Cc: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: Re: [Marxism] Brexit and imperial privilege > On Jun 27, 2016, at 6:46 PM, marinercarpen...@gmail.com wrote: > Defensiveness and incomprehension at basically every point. There just isn’t much in your response that it even makes sense to try to respond to. PS: I’m not remotely important, but if even I saw what was coming, and that the only defensible position for the left was to try to defeat the referendum, then a lot of other people should have been able to see it as well. Some did. Many of those who didn’t have engaged in some of the most ridiculous, defensive bullshit I’ve seen in quite a while. Credit to you for at least being willing to admit “buyer’s remorse” (although I don’t care for the metaphor). _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com