Re: [Marxism] Are riots revolutionary? | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 5/31/20 10:01 AM, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote: May I make a comment from a distance? If I was given a choice between the previous period of relative inactivity and the current upsurge of struggle, I would take the current upsurge, with whatever shortcomings it has. I think some of the shortcomings may be inevitable until a leadership gels. And this leadership is struggling to emerge from the smothering influence of the Democratic Party. Within the current upsurge I would support those who are trying to promote self-organization and a perspective of ongoing struggle. ken h To anybody who might have gotten the wrong impression, my post was a polemic against a poetry professor who argues that riots are the form of the coming insurrection. That's from the Verso blurb, as if Tariq Ali doesn't know the difference between an insurrection and a revolution. I also included FB posts by Rick Sklader who embraced the protests, including the burning of Target. He warned, however, about alt-right penetration of the protests that led to the burning of a library and a black-owned barbershop. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Are riots revolutionary? | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * May I make a comment from a distance? If I was given a choice between the previous period of relative inactivity and the current upsurge of struggle, I would take the current upsurge, with whatever shortcomings it has. I think some of the shortcomings may be inevitable until a leadership gels. And this leadership is struggling to emerge from the smothering influence of the Democratic Party. Within the current upsurge I would support those who are trying to promote self-organization and a perspective of ongoing struggle. ken h _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Are riots revolutionary? | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My gut reaction is that if riots were revolutionary the police wouldn't put so much energy into using agents provocateurs to start them. They may allow an expression of anger but only in a way that is unsustainable, doesn't go anywhere or build anything, and which excludes most people from participating. They (most people) instead hide in their homes in fear and emerge to burnt neighbourhoods. On Sun, 31 May 2020, 06:47 Louis Proyect via Marxism, < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > About a week ago, someone posted a link to a Verso book by Joshua Clover > titled “Riot. Strike. Riot: The New Era of Uprisings” that I took a > quick gander at on the Verso website. It stated that “Political theorist > Joshua Clover theorizes the riot as the form of the coming > insurrection.” I didn’t pay that much attention to it except to note > that insurrection is a problematic term if you are a Marxist, at least > if it is understood as anything like October 1917. There wasn’t much > that was insurrectionary about it or for that matter neither was there > much rioting going on in Russia. Mostly, there were mass protests > demanding peace, bread and land. > > full: https://louisproyect.org/2020/05/30/are-riots-revolutionary/ > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/johnedmundson4%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Are riots revolutionary? | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * About a week ago, someone posted a link to a Verso book by Joshua Clover titled “Riot. Strike. Riot: The New Era of Uprisings” that I took a quick gander at on the Verso website. It stated that “Political theorist Joshua Clover theorizes the riot as the form of the coming insurrection.” I didn’t pay that much attention to it except to note that insurrection is a problematic term if you are a Marxist, at least if it is understood as anything like October 1917. There wasn’t much that was insurrectionary about it or for that matter neither was there much rioting going on in Russia. Mostly, there were mass protests demanding peace, bread and land. full: https://louisproyect.org/2020/05/30/are-riots-revolutionary/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
