Re: [Marxism] Fw: UN Syria Commission clears YPG/J and SDF of ethnic cleansing charges

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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On 3/18/17 8:50 PM, John Obrien via Marxism wrote:

The U. S. government in its many forms - are a danger to the Syrian masses - 
and not a protector.


Yes, the US government is a danger to the Syrian masses.

Wall Street Journal, October 17, 2012

U.S. officials say they are most worried about Russian-designed Manpads 
provided to Libya making their way to Syria. The U.S. intensified 
efforts to track and collect man-portable missiles after the 2011 fall 
of the country’s longtime strongman leader, Moammar Gadhafi.


To keep control of the flow of weapons to the Syrian rebels, TURKEY, 
SAUDI ARABIA and QATAR formed a joint operations room early this year in 
a covert project U.S. officials watched from afar.


The U.S. has limited its support of the rebels to communications 
equipment, logistics and intelligence. But U.S. officials have 
coordinated with the trio of countries sending arms and munitions to the 
rebels. The Pentagon and CIA ramped up their presence on Turkey’s 
southern border as the weapons began to flow to the rebels in two to 
three shipments every week.


In July, the U.S. effectively HALTED the delivery of at least 18 Manpads 
sourced from Libya, even as the rebels pleaded for more effective 
antiaircraft missiles to counter regime airstrikes in Aleppo, people 
familiar with that delivery said.

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[Marxism] Fw: UN Syria Commission clears YPG/J and SDF of ethnic cleansing charges

[John Obrien via Marxism]

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I consider myself aware of the the history of Syria and the various political 
and religious currents there -

including the many different tribal and religious sects, that are involved in 
both pro-Syria government and

anti-Syria government.  All the small military militias with their various 
eagle and flag symbols and names.

I subscribe to many Syria sites and not jut those outside of Syria, as others 
on this list - from what I have

seen shared by them.


But I have no favorable view of  the various front groups that have been 
established that support either

a capitalist Bathist government, or the many bands of various jihadi opponents. 
 There has been little to

no reporting on the various Syrian political left currents - only just the 
anti-left formations.


I have watched and been supportive of those Kurds and other minorities in Iraq 
and Syria, who have

opposed ISIS and al-Qaeda and adhere to  proletarian rule and not the wealthy 
rulers and monarchs

of those lands.


I was told many years by some on this list, including the moderator, that I 
should not criticize the Iran

government - because it "objectively aided U.S. imperialism".  Now these same 
people are condemning

that same Iran government for supporting the Bashir al-Assad Bathist led 
government in Syria! And when

I warned several years ago of my concerns about the Syrian Civil War becoming a 
bloody conflict that would

only harm most Syrians - and opposed any U. S. military involvement - some of 
these same supposed

wise people - refused to recognize both reality and history of that land and 
peoples.


The U. S. government in its many forms - are a danger to the Syrian masses - 
and not a protector.





From: Marx Mail00 

On Mar 18, 2017, at 8:14 PM, John Obrien via Marxism 
> wrote:

the jihadists in Syria - are not for tolerance but seek power and control - 
motivated not by progressive political views - but by reactionary religious 
views.

Quibbles about words like “progressive” and “reactionary” aside, this statement 
by Obrien is true *by definition* and therefore vacuous: the predicate 
("seeking power and control"; "motivated by religious views") is implied by the 
choice of the subject of the sentence ("jihadists”).

The fact that Obrien believes the subject “jihadists” truthfully represents all 
those fighting Assad says everything one needs to know about his ignorance of, 
and bias regarding, the conflict in Syria.
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