Re: [Marxism] Noam Chomsky says US should stay in Syria to protect the Kurds
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Regarding the points raised by RKOB: All the nationalist leaders of the oppressed Kurdish people had a very simple choice to make early on. They could make an appeal to and link up with the working class in their respective countries (Turkey, Iran, etc.) or not. It's entirely possible that none of them intended to end up relying on US, or French, or any other imperialist power. But politics has a funny way of sending leaders down a road that, at times, they never intended to travel. Once they took the road of pure nationalism, minus a class perspective and minus an international class perspective, and once they'd traveled down that road for a time, then it was too late to go back. They were forced to end up where they are - relying on one imperialist power or another. Well, that's a bit of an overreach. In the case of the PYD, I think what's most likely is that they will end up relying on Assad, who's not exactly the head of an imperialist power, but his government is no better. Meanwhile, the PYD is also denying that that's where they are. Here's an interesting comment from Salih Muslim, diplomatic relations co-chair of the PYD: “They [the US troops] weren’t here to protect us in any case. We rely on our own strength and defense. We are at a point of legitimate self defense. That much has never been lacking. It is their business to decide whether they stay or go. Our interests coincided, we acted together, but we never relied on them.” (See the full article here: https://anfenglishmobile.com/features/muslim-we-didn-t-call-them-we-re-not-sending-them-away-31568?fbclid=IwAR3PVZl1xWNpU643hhUPd_5t42ezvY8bDzNFFNlY8Chgb5M6oe3tVGU3Fag ) I think the comment is made for internal consumption as well as for consumption of his international supporters, because it's clearly BS. John Reimann -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Noam Chomsky says US should stay in Syria to protect the Kurds
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * No doubt, this tells a lot about the "anti-imperialism" of a) Chomsky and b) the YPG/SDF. By the way: the YPG/SDF sent yesterday two leaders to Paris to negotiate with Macron about getting support of French imperialism after the U.S. let them down (what a surprise! who could have seen this coming that the U.S. is no loyal supporter?!) I am sure that the YPG/SDF will also intensify negotiations with Russian imperialism and the Assad regime. They are always looking for a master to serve (in exchange for some concessions/material aid). The masters change, the rotten method remains the same. Supporting the Syrian revolutionary masses from the beginning in 2011 was never an option for them. In itself, this is not surpring. We have seen the same bourgeois method with the Barzani's in Iraq etc. What is surprising (or may be not so much) is the Western and Russian Stalinist, libertarian and "Trotskyist" left which were praising them in all those years! The oppressed Kurdish people have certainly not deserved such sell-outs and mercaneries like the YPG/SDF at their leadership! Hopefully they will push them aside and create a better leadership which will fight honestly for national self-determination of the Kurdish people - side on side with the popular masses in the Arab world fighting against oppression and dictatorships! Am 21.12.2018 um 14:58 schrieb Louis Proyect via Marxism: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/13cf816e-8e40-41c8-bb76-d453a3261d8b _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/aktiv%40rkob.net -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Noam Chomsky says US should stay in Syria to protect the Kurds
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