Re: [Marxism] Spain refuses access to Russian ships
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 10/27/16 1:43 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote: https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/blog/2016/10/23/on-syria-jill-stein-resorts-to-odd-conspiracy-theories Jill Stein has come under criticism for Putin apologia, warning that the election of Hilary Clinton could spark "World War III" with Russia. Before it was picked up by a journalist, Sein [sic] had a statement on her website saying that the United States should end any military role in Syria, impose an arms embargo, and work "with Syria, Russia, and Iran to restore all of Syria to control by the government." --- I have no idea which journalist "picked up" what Stein had said but it was likely that she backed off from this ridiculous claim after I took her to task for it on my Muftah article that did still endorsed her candidacy. I posted a link to my article on a number of Green Party FB pages and it likely came to her attention since she deleted that reference a day later. That is what happens when Syrian solidarity activists refuse to engage with the Green Party that they have trouble distinguishing from Donald Trump. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Spain refuses access to Russian ships
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/blog/2016/10/23/on-syria-jill-stein-resorts-to-odd-conspiracy-theories On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 1:37 PM, DW via Marxism wrote: > > What was the reference to Jill Stein on the pipeline issue about? > > David > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Spain refuses access to Russian ships
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * There is interestingly a lot more to this. The German energy 'transition' is called *Energiewende* and was voted into being in 2010. However, the origin of this goes back to the reign of SPD Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and his Green Party Foreign Minister and Vice-Chancellor, Joschka Fischer. During their office tenure, they both supported the massive new gas pipeline expansions for Gazprom and the rival Turkish consortium running a similar line from the Caspian. Schröder lobbied heavily for the projects from Gazprom, and Fischer for the Turkish project. ince Germany did need to import this gas and plans for dozens of gas turbines were being organized (all of which were built) with an eye toward their wind and solar power development (which was only just getting underway then). The controversy arises is that when both Schröder and Fisher left office they immediately went to work for the two, now competing, gas line projects. Schröder's salary topped 200,000 Euros per year. What was the reference to Jill Stein on the pipeline issue about? David _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Spain refuses access to Russian ships
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thanks, David, extremely useful. And a far cry from the rubbish about pipelines being parroted by Jill Stein. Every comrade should have a sector or industry which they follow so religiously for our mutual benefit. On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 1:05 PM, DW via Marxism wrote: _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Spain refuses access to Russian ships
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Andy asked/commented: 1. Tell us more about this: " (in case you were wondering what all that revenue for the massive amount of natural gas being sold to Germany was for)" The significant increase in military spending (like finishing, updating and deploying) for Soviet era navy expansion coincides with the generalized increase in gas prices and higher oil prices when the Putin regime came to power. The gas industry exports have increased for the last 20 years but got a real go ahead in the early 2000s when the major pipeline upgrades (including bypassing Ukraine) occured. There were actually two pipelines, one through Turkey for non-Russian Caspian gas and one from the Baltic right to Germany from mainland Russia. Russia earns approx. $40 billion a year from gas exports alone which have increase relative to the much larger (historically) oil exports to Europe because of the stability of gas prices vs that of the fall in oil prices. My comment was somewhat snarky since it and remains the bed rock to the Germany's renewable energy project...that is the massive back up of wind and solar for German's renewable plan. The overall increase, anyway, is what allowed for the massive professionalization of Russia's armed forces, financed the latest and greatest jet fighter-bombers now on display in Syria and on the one aircraft carrier I mentioned previously. However, Russia has spent far more rubles on infrastructure upgrades (rail, Vladivostok commercial port facilities, now, also, an increase in the military port in Sevastopol as well.). Even Russia's nuclear energy expansion, proceeding with few if any hiccups, is designed to allow Russia to sell more natural gas to Europe rather than an altruistic climate benefit. But, indeed...Euro sales of gas (and oil) have allowed for Russia to go gang-busters on high-tech navy ships. It is Russia, not the U.S. that has the most advanced navy anti-ship missiles in the world. The US isn't even close on this score. 2. Agreed, in strictly military terms this is probably no setback. But in political terms it's still highly significant I agree...politically it was a set back for the Russians. David _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Spain refuses access to Russian ships
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * 1. Tell us more about this: " (in case you were wondering what all that revenue for the massive amount of natural gas being sold to Germany was for)" 2. Agreed, in strictly military terms this is probably no setback. But in political terms it's still highly significant On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:40 AM, DW via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Spain refuses access to Russian ships
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * re the debate on military intervention: Can anyone deny that this setback for Moscow's intentions to ramp up its military intervention in Syria is a good thing? Can they deny that the Spanish government - without any mobilization (at least that I'm aware of) on the part of the Spanish people - determined that mass sentiment at home and abroad is overwhelmingly against helping Russia massacre civilians? And can anyone doubt that groups like Stop Some Wars and Russia Hands on Syria could all along have been amplifying that mass sentiment against ALL imperialist interventions? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/world/europe/nato-russia-spain.html?ref=todayspaper _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
