Re: [Marxism] Stalin nostalgia
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "Stalin’s murderous rule": this is a huge lie defended only by the bourgeoisie and some Trotskyists. The main goal of attacking Stalin is to demoralize communism as a whole. See Losurdo's "*Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend". *In this book Stalin is put in context, and he's shown just to be taking the same actions other leaders of his time - in France, USA and England - took. Besides that, these huge numbers of "mass murders" are shown to be just a Cold War fabrication. I recommend also "*Life and terror in Stalin's Russia*", by Robert Thurston (this author is not a Marxist, and this makes his book even more interesting). *G.A.* *Brazil* 2016-01-30 16:30 GMT-08:00 Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > KEN LIVINGSTONE has recently set the cat among the pigeons by suggesting > that Joseph Stalin the Soviet dictator was not all bad. His crimes and > aggressions much exaggerated. Ken is evidently at one with Anatoly Utkin, a > former director of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the editor of a > teachers‘ manual on modern Russian history, who went so far as to compare > Joseph Stalin’s erudition to the tardy efforts of those in the West: “Can > you tell me”, Utkin asked in 2008, “of any other leader, an American > president, for example, who read 10,000 books?” Utkin was drawing attention > to the fact that Stalin, when he wasn’t initialling lists of people to be > shot, got through at least one book every day between 1924 and 1953. > > Vladimir Putin is also backing the drift towards a revision of Stalin’s > record with regard to both his victory over Hitler, and the > industrialisation of the country during the nineteen thirties. Putin, > despite much evidence to the contrary, favourably contrasts Joseph Stalin’s > centralism to the dastardly ‘federalism’ of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, which he > thinks explains the fragmentation of the Russian empire. It seems that > Stalin, despite many errors and at times, excessive severity, ensured that > Russian workers and peasants made the sacrifices necessary for the founding > of modern industry and the consolidation of a great state. > > full: http://www.donmilligan.net/OTC_Column.html > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/glauberataide%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Stalin nostalgia
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/31/16 7:16 AM, Glauber Ataide wrote: "Stalin’s murderous rule": this is a huge lie defended only by the bourgeoisie and some Trotskyists. The main goal of attacking Stalin is to demoralize communism as a whole. See Losurdo's "/Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend". /In this book Stalin is put in context, and he's shown just to be taking the same actions other leaders of his time - in France, USA and England - took. Besides that, these huge numbers of "mass murders" are shown to be just a Cold War fabrication. I recommend also "/Life and terror in Stalin's Russia/", by Robert Thurston (this author is not a Marxist, and this makes his book even more interesting). /G.A./ /Brazil/ Don't worry too much about items praising/denigrating Stalin/Trotsky here. Most of us are preoccupied with the problems facing us now rather than those that divided the left a half-century ago. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Stalin nostalgia
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * KEN LIVINGSTONE has recently set the cat among the pigeons by suggesting that Joseph Stalin the Soviet dictator was not all bad. His crimes and aggressions much exaggerated. Ken is evidently at one with Anatoly Utkin, a former director of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the editor of a teachers‘ manual on modern Russian history, who went so far as to compare Joseph Stalin’s erudition to the tardy efforts of those in the West: “Can you tell me”, Utkin asked in 2008, “of any other leader, an American president, for example, who read 10,000 books?” Utkin was drawing attention to the fact that Stalin, when he wasn’t initialling lists of people to be shot, got through at least one book every day between 1924 and 1953. Vladimir Putin is also backing the drift towards a revision of Stalin’s record with regard to both his victory over Hitler, and the industrialisation of the country during the nineteen thirties. Putin, despite much evidence to the contrary, favourably contrasts Joseph Stalin’s centralism to the dastardly ‘federalism’ of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, which he thinks explains the fragmentation of the Russian empire. It seems that Stalin, despite many errors and at times, excessive severity, ensured that Russian workers and peasants made the sacrifices necessary for the founding of modern industry and the consolidation of a great state. full: http://www.donmilligan.net/OTC_Column.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
