[Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis Proyect wrote: I dealt with that at length in an article on species extinction and imperialist war in the Fall 2007 Science and Society. The next time you are in a library, you might benefit from a perusal. David Harvey described it as an eye-opener. I haven't been to a library lately, but I did consult the S S index for 1987-2013. The only item listed under your name is a three-page review of Inventing Western Civilization by Thomas Patterson, from1999. Did you get your publications mixed up? I know your stuff appears in many journals. Maybe you could send a link? Jim Creegan _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 12/15/14 4:22 PM, James Creegan via Marxism wrote: Did you get your publications mixed up? I know your stuff appears in many journals. Maybe you could send a link? Jim Creegan The Doctor called Mrs. Cohen saying, Mrs. Cohen, your check came back. Mrs. Cohen answered, So did my arthritis! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Proyect wrote: Yes, everybody can remember how neo-Nazi guerrillas streamed across the border with Germany and began setting fire to the vineyards in Languedoc. What a terrible time that was. support Syriza and Podemos without undue criticism! I submit that any perceptive reader of this exchange--young, old or in between--will conclude that all your bluster, diversion and Spart baiting does not succeed in covering up the simple fact that you have no convincing answer to the question I have raised. You're right. Your ability to navigate vast portions of the planet covering decades toward the end purpose of rendering a complex reality so simple leaves me breathless. How dare I enter into the debate with our epoch's Leon Tortsky. *** No, but there was a fierce attack on the franc in response to Mitterand's left-Keynesian program in 1981, as well as his inclusion of PCF members in his coalition. Mitterand responded by abandoning the left-reformist platform on which he was elected and leading an austerity drive. BTW, speaking of comparisons: Am I incorrect in recollecting that, about ten years ago, you compared the dislodging of a red-tailed hawk named Pale Male from its nest atop the entrance of an upscale Fifth Avenue co-op to the US invasion of Iraq? Jim Creegan _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 12/14/14 10:42 AM, James Creegan via Marxism wrote: No, but there was a fierce attack on the franc in response to Mitterand's left-Keynesian program in 1981, as well as his inclusion of PCF members in his coalition. Mitterand responded by abandoning the left-reformist platform on which he was elected and leading an austerity drive. I still have no idea what this has to do with Nicaragua. Ultraleft sectarians like you always had the answer. Lay hands on the capitalists. In fact sometimes there are no answers in the class struggle when the odds are insurmountably against you. No matter how revolutionary-minded the leadership of a trade union is, a strike will often be ended on terms unfavorable to the workers. In Nicaragua the revolution was defeated not because the FSLN lacked a revolutionary perspective but because the USA was able to keep a low-intensity war going until the people could not stand it any longer. Hunger, death and illness were more powerful forces than any leaflet, even one written by you. The Nicaraguans voted for an American-backed politician because they were being blackmailed. Even if you ran for president of Nicaragua in 1990 with your soaring revolutionary thoughts and language, they still will have voted for Violetta Chamorro. Reagan wanted them to cry uncle and they did. It is only people who are so cocooned from reality such as you, having spent their entire adult lives composing Coyoacan-type communiques in their mind, who can blame the FSLN for selling out the revolution. If you weren't such an absurdly comic figure with your sterile panaceas, I would describe you as a threat to the left. Fortunately, the generation you belonged to--the hammer-and-sickle/Red Star verbal radicalism of the coffee shop smart set--has almost disappeared from the political landscape. It is only by making speeches during the QA period at Left Forums or trolling Marxmail that you can get a shred of attention. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * It is only people who are so cocooned from reality such as you, having spent their entire adult lives composing Coyoacan-type communiques in their mind, who can blame the FSLN for selling out the revolution. If you weren't such an absurdly comic figure with your sterile panaceas, I would describe you as a threat to the left. Fortunately, the generation you belonged to--the hammer-and-sickle/Red Star verbal radicalism of the coffee shop smart set--has almost disappeared from the political landscape. It is only by making speeches during the QA period at Left Forums or trolling Marxmail that you can get a shred of attention. - Your reference to Coyoacan communiques seems to put me in a coffee shop smart set I would never have dreamed of including myself in, so I will take it as a compliment. Have you ever considered the contours of the political landscape sectarian smart alecs like me have disappeared from, and in which you seek to thrive? Could it possibly be one that has shifted dramatically to the right, and in which some, while oddly calling themselves unrepentant Marxists, desperately seek absolution from the left-liberal bourgeoisie for ever having done anything--trying to build a revolutionary party,criticizing reformists--that distinguishes Marxists from them? Better, maybe, to call your blog, the Marxist Who Wants to Come In from the Cold. I notice you didn't respond to my query concerning what I recall as your comparison between the invasion of Iraq and the unnesting of Pale Male. Jim Creegan _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 12/14/14 3:38 PM, James Creegan via Marxism wrote: I notice you didn't respond to my query concerning what I recall as your comparison between the invasion of Iraq and the unnesting of Pale Male. I dealt with that at length in an article on species extinction and imperialist war in the Fall 2007 Science and Society. The next time you are in a library, you might benefit from a perusal. David Harvey described it as an eye-opener. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I dealt with that at length in an article on species extinction and imperialist war in the Fall 2007 Science and Society. The next time you are in a library, you might benefit from a perusal. David Harvey described it as an eye-opener. Louis, can you bee more specific...there is nothing by you in the Fall issue of 2007 SS. They have an October issue but you are not in it and neither are you in the one before or after. http://www.scienceandsociety.com/backcontents.html David _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 12/14/14 7:36 PM, DW via Marxism wrote: Louis, can you bee more specific...there is nothing by you in the Fall issue of 2007 SS. They have an October issue but you are not in it and neither are you in the one before or after. http://www.scienceandsociety.com/backcontents.html David A rabbi walked into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder. The bartender looks at the parrot and says... _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Proyect wrote: I am not here to educate you about Nicaragua. You make a foolish comparison between Mitterand and Daniel Ortega without taking into account that France was a powerful imperialist nation with a long history as a colonizer while Nicaragua was a country with a population the size of Brooklyn and a GNP less than what Americans spend on blue jeans in a year. And with one elevator in the entire country, with an economy already devastated by earthquake. And you think that the FSLN's problem was that it did not lay hands on the capitalists? How am I supposed to respond to that? It is such a cockeyed notion that it is not worth responding to. I posted a link to my article not for your benefit because you have been irreparably damaged by sectarianism. It is for young people who may have been born after the FSLN took power. I invited you to write something fully expecting you to weasel your way out of actually reading something about Nicaragua. In fact I don't think that mailing lists gain much from 4 or 5 sentence stupid comparisons between France and Nicaragua. If you were a bit more modest, you'd realize that you were wasting bandwidth with such empty bombast. You are not the first person mistrained in Spartacist League sectarianism that we have encountered in this neck of the woods, but the first since Marxmail was born. We had a slew of FSLN critics long ago, like Bob Malecki. It seems like a century ago, thank goodness. * I note that in the article you sent on Nicaragua, you opined that perhaps comparing the Sandinista agricultural policy with that of Cuba was less helpful than comparing it to that of Russia in the 1920s. If I were to have remarked on the absurdity of speaking of two countries like Russia and Nicaragua in the same breath (not to mention the absurdityof the comparison between the Sandinistas and the Bolsheviks), you might have replied that you weren't comparing the two countries in terms of land mass, population, GDP or geopolitical heft,but only in terms of certain aspects of agrarian policy. I think I can similarly reply that I was comparing Mitterand, Allende and Ortega in one respect only: they headed governments that challenged capital in certain ways, but had no strategy for combating the furious reaction on the part of the national and international bourgeoisie that inevitably followed. And when I make the same point regarding Syriza and Podemos, you apparently have no answer, except to say that maybe the masses, having been predictably clobbered by the EU and the Greek or Spanish bourgeoisie, will, on short notice, improvise a revolutionary strategy on their own; and that we shouldn't talk in generalities, but concentrate on the facts, of which you, Proyect, have a superior knowledge, although you don't specify precisely which facts are relevant to the argument at hand; and, further that anyone who raises such a question is a hopeless sectarian, not worth arguing with in the first place. Just shut up, and vote for and support Syriza and Podemos without undue criticism! I submit that any perceptive reader of this exchange--young, old or in between--will conclude that all your bluster, diversion and Spart baiting does not succeed in covering up the simple fact that you have no convincing answer to the question I have raised. Jim Creegan. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] We Must All Support SYRIZA
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 12/13/14 2:29 PM, James Creegan via Marxism wrote: I think I can similarly reply that I was comparing Mitterand, Allende and Ortega in one respect only: they headed governments that challenged capital in certain ways, but had no strategy for combating the furious reaction on the part of the national and international bourgeoisie that inevitably followed. Yes, everybody can remember how neo-Nazi guerrillas streamed across the border with Germany and began setting fire to the vineyards in Languedoc. What a terrible time that was. support Syriza and Podemos without undue criticism! I submit that any perceptive reader of this exchange--young, old or in between--will conclude that all your bluster, diversion and Spart baiting does not succeed in covering up the simple fact that you have no convincing answer to the question I have raised. You're right. Your ability to navigate vast portions of the planet covering decades toward the end purpose of rendering a complex reality so simple leaves me breathless. How dare I enter into the debate with our epoch's Leon Tortsky. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
