Re: [Marxism] [microsound] More idiocy at Counterpunch
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == nada wrote: But the idea that this is 'mutilation' is *insulting* to the real *victims* of genital mutilation and which often done to young teenage girls against their will. If chopping off a portion of a body part isn't mutilation, what is? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [microsound] More idiocy at Counterpunch
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Jay Clinton wrote: Circumcision is genital mutilation, and to call it anti-semitic to say so is absurd. It is an anthropological truth. This does not mean those who choose it should be denigrated. Unfortunately, children don't get to choose. It's hateful insinuation behind a Hedonist mask. It is anti-Semitic as well.. I have no doubt that it is a form of mutilation. I was referring to the notion advanced by this lady, Block, that circumcision in males as a custom is harmful. Just the same, I think that any controversy over male circumcision in general makes too big a deal out of such a little thing (compared to female genital mutilation which is cruel, inhuman and totally indefensible), wouldn't you agree? -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-Marxism--More-idiocy-at-Counterpunch-tp27015313p27070465.html Sent from the Marxism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [microsound] More idiocy at Counterpunch
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == You are incredibly casual about loss of a significantly functioning piece of the human body, or subjecting children to that loss. To compare it to ear piercing, which removes no body part, or (!) what language children are taught to speak, is thoughtless. These examples are far more off the mark than to compare male circumcision to female circumcision, which I would not do in any case, since many forms of female circumcision are in fact more egregious. But both are genital mutilation. --- On Fri, 8/1/10, Adam Richmond adambrichm...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Richmond adambrichm...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] [microsound] More idiocy at Counterpunch To: jc jayclinto...@yahoo.ie Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:47 == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Where does anthropology say that the truth about circumcision is that it is genital mutilation? It is more likely to describe it as a tribal body modification. Children don't get to choose a lot..Children don't get to choose their names, what language they speak, what school they go to, who their parents are. Parents decide. If I have been asked, I argue, against circumcision. But to call it genital mutilation is a gross exaggeration. Nor will that kind of argument do much to reduce the practice. Circumcision is a form of familial body modification. It doesn't make the practice mutilation. Parents pierce their babies ears for earrings too. Should they be called ear multilators?. Clitoris removal is a whole other ballgame. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/jayclinton88%40yahoo.ie Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [microsound] More idiocy at Counterpunch
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Sorry, I think i misunderstood your point. Yes, I think many more egregious forms of female circumcision exist, but that doesn't mean we should casually accept the (usually unwilling) loss of a significant part of the body. I'll add that I agree that Block's attempt to tie it to a psychological pathology (in Islam or elsewhere) is ludicrous, and certainly not funny in context, if to be funny was her intent, --- On Fri, 8/1/10, New Tet cchrist...@bellsouth.net wrote: I have no doubt that it is a form of mutilation. I was referring to the notion advanced by this lady, Block, that circumcision in males as a custom is harmful. Just the same, I think that any controversy over male circumcision in general makes too big a deal out of such a little thing (compared to female genital mutilation which is cruel, inhuman and totally indefensible), wouldn't you agree? -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-Marxism--More-idiocy-at-Counterpunch-tp27015313p27070465.html Sent from the Marxism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/jayclinton88%40yahoo.ie Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [microsound] More idiocy at Counterpunch
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect wrote: From the article: Male circumcision slices off 5-20% of the penis, specifically the foreskin, the vital part of the male genitalia that protects the glans when it is flaccid and retracts sensuously to reveal his erection when fully aroused. Hard for me to think of my foreskin as being more than 1% of my penis and the sensuality of its retraction is, I think, purely subjective. Moreover, If block is correct in the matter of circumsicion, we can assume that Marx's was somehow responsible for his condemnation of capitalism. I think I'll get my dick cut. Be that as it may, one has to wonder about people who feel the need to reach down into someone else's crotch to pull out political arguments. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-Marxism--More-idiocy-at-Counterpunch-tp27015313p27022424.html Sent from the Marxism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
