Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, Jim. Some of the media reported her dead. That's not declaring her dead, which would be done by the authorities investigating the matter and talking to the media...ultimately the medical people, right? Media reported a rumor because they had nothing official at the time. And all sorts of people then began repeating the rumor and the it spread. Like schoolchildren. But, surely, this sort of thing can't really surprise anybody who's spent much time near a TV set in the last 30 years ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Here are a few thoughts from Fidel Castro on this horrific event: Reflections by Comrade Fidel AN ATROCIOUS ACT Sad news was broadcast this afternoon from the United States: Gabrielle Giffords, Democratic congresswoman for Arizona, was the victim of a criminal attempt while taking part at a political meeting at her electoral district in Tucson. On the other side of the border lies Mexico, the Latin American country to which that territory used to belong when, in an unjust war, more than one half of its area was seized from it. Along its arid surface, many of those who emigrate from Mexico, Central America and other Latin American countries try to escape hunger, poverty and the underdevelopment to which those countries have been led by the United States. Money and goods can freely cross the border; human beings cannot. Without mentioning the drugs and weapons that cross that line in either direction. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans who work in that country doing the toughest and worst paid jobs are captured each year and sent back to their points of departure, many times separated from their closest kin. They were hoping that the new administration would correct that criminal and inhuman policy. According to just-arrived news, 18 people were shot and six died, among them a 9-year-old girl and Federal Judge John Roll. The congresswoman was seriously wounded by a bullet in the head. Doctors were fighting to save her life. She is married to NASA astronaut Mark Kelly. She was first elected to Congress in 2006 at the age of 36. “She is a supporter of migrant reform, stem cell research and alternative energy”, measures that are hated by the far right. She was re-elected as the Democratic representative in the past elections. When her father was asked whether she had any enemies, he replied: The entire Tea Party”. It is known that the former US vice-presidential candidate in the 2008 elections and Tea Party leader, Sarah Palin, published on her website, as the aim for supporters of her party, a map of the congressional districts of 20 of the representatives who had backed President Obama's proposed health reform bill and she had them marked with the viewfinder of a rifle. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords' political opponent was a former Marine who appeared in the electoral campaign with an M-16 in a message which apparently stated: Help get rid of Gabrielle Giffords...shoot the entire ammo chamber of an M-16 with Jesse Kelly. In March 2010, Gabrielle's district office was attacked. She stated that when people do that they were going to have to be aware of the consequences; political leaders should get together and set limits. Any sensible person could well wonder whether such an act happened in Afghanistan or in an electoral district in Arizona. Obama stated: “…an unspeakable tragedy, a number of Americans were shot…” “And while we are continuing to receive information, we know that some have passed away, and that Representative Giffords is gravely wounded…”. “We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society….” “ I ask all Americans to join me and Michelle in keeping Representative Giffords, the victims of this tragedy, and their families in our prayers.” His appeal is quite dramatic and very sad. Even those of us who don’t share his political or philosophical ideas in the least sincerely hope that no children, judges, congressmen or any US citizen should die in such an absurd and unjustifiable way. It is sad to remember that in the world every year many millions of people are dying as the consequence of absurd wars, poverty, growing famines and the deterioration of the environment promoted by the wealthiest and most developed nations on the planet. We would like Obama and the United States Congress to share those concerns with all the other peoples. Fidel Castro Ruz January 8, 2011 9:11 p.m. = WALTER LIPPMANN Los Angeles, California Editor-in-Chief, CubaNews http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaNews/ Cuba - Un Paraíso bajo el bloqueo = Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_shooting_congresswoman Congresswoman killed, others injured in shooting: report TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) Representative Gabrielle Giffords was fatally shot during a public appearance on Saturday, National Public Radio said. NPR said a gunman ran up to Giffords, 40, a Democrat, and opened fire. The suspect was taken into custody, NPR said. Media reports said about a dozen other people also were shot. (Writing by Bill Trott, editing by Anthony Boadle) Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d28bb1956413ae5d15st06vuc Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The assassin seems to be a Tea-Party lunatic type. See his farewell YouTube message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4 Congresswoman Giffords was one of 20 Dem. candidates identified by Sarah Palin during the last election singled out to be defeated. I believe there was election propaganda circulated showing them with gun-sight targets over their heads. Giffords narrowly beat the Tea-Party candidate. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Palin during the last election singled out to be defeated. I believe there was election propaganda circulated showing them with gun-sight targets over their heads. It's the typical thing fascists do; use incendiary words and evocative images, and then claim innocence when some whack job takes the words or images literally as they were intended. It's common in the anti-abortion realm. You can see some of the graphics here: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/08/congresswoman-gabrie.html -- In California in 2004, there were 360 people serving life sentences for shoplifting. -- Journalists Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Jay wrote: The assassin seems to be a Tea-Party lunatic type. I don't now what this guys connection to right wing politics is but I have noted You tube is lousy with not so veiled threats. For example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ye4QeD_BAc. Tribute to the Patriot Weapon of Choice has a soft rock soundtrack with images of the latest tricked out Armalites. Here are some of the lyrics: “Who stood before me was my enemy He’s come to take my liberties I’d rather die than be a slave to thee Don’t treat me this way I’d rather die than be your slave I will survive can you feel my rage It’s not a question of being brave It didn’t matter who shot first that day… We hit them hard we made them pay that day We hung the traitors from the highest tree No mercy from me…this is the price we pay for Liberty.” The use of the term traitor is common these videos and I wrote to couple of the creators and asked them just who were the traitors. Several of them responded with the names of prominent Democrats - Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were the most often mentioned. For anyone who cares to wade through the Turner Diaries, the right wing revolt sparked by the bombing of a Federal Building is marked by the public hanging of liberal legislators. This isn't the Weimar Republic, but this is a country in economic decline with an increasingly hostile polarization of politics. Among the legions of wack job tea baggers, there are some moving beyond simply howling at the moon. They are, of course, not the only ones with their weapons of choice. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The assassin seems to be a Tea-Party lunatic type. See his farewell YouTube message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4 Congresswoman Giffords was one of 20 Dem. candidates identified by Sarah Palin during the last election singled out to be defeated. I believe there was election propaganda circulated showing them with gun-sight targets over their heads. Giffords narrowly beat the Tea-Party candidate. We really don't know about the provenance of this. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_shooting_congresswoman Congresswoman killed, others injured in shooting: report TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) – Representative Gabrielle Giffords was fatally shot during a public appearance on Saturday, National Public Radio said. NPR said a gunman ran up to Giffords, 40, a Democrat, and opened fire. The suspect was taken into custody, NPR said. Media reports said about a dozen other people also were shot. (Writing by Bill Trott, editing by Anthony Boadle) Funny, I just pulled up the story and it looks like she was only wounded and doctors are optimistic about a recovery. Where did you get the idea she was killed? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:20:42 -0800 MARGARET WYLES kaliy...@wildblue.net writes: On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_shooting_congresswoman Congresswoman killed, others injured in shooting: report TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) Representative Gabrielle Giffords was fatally shot during a public appearance on Saturday, National Public Radio said. NPR said a gunman ran up to Giffords, 40, a Democrat, and opened fire. The suspect was taken into custody, NPR said. Media reports said about a dozen other people also were shot. (Writing by Bill Trott, editing by Anthony Boadle) Funny, I just pulled up the story and it looks like she was only wounded and doctors are optimistic about a recovery. Where did you get the idea she was killed? I posted from what were the initial reports which at the time were declaring that she had died from the attack. Those reports turn out to have been error, but a Federal judge did die in the attack, and many other people were wounded. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d290a829d0bdaefde9st06vuc Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I clicked on the link you provided in support of your post. So either you misread the post or they replaced the story with another one. Is that common practice? Is it also common practice in the media to declare someone dead without definitve proof? Seems the height of irresponsibility, especially when it involves a public official. Can we be sure now of the facts that they've subsequently provided or will that be updated without explanation? On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:20:42 -0800 MARGARET WYLES kaliy...@wildblue.net writes: On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_shooting_congresswoman Congresswoman killed, others injured in shooting: report TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) – Representative Gabrielle Giffords was fatally shot during a public appearance on Saturday, National Public Radio said. NPR said a gunman ran up to Giffords, 40, a Democrat, and opened fire. The suspect was taken into custody, NPR said. Media reports said about a dozen other people also were shot. (Writing by Bill Trott, editing by Anthony Boadle) Funny, I just pulled up the story and it looks like she was only wounded and doctors are optimistic about a recovery. Where did you get the idea she was killed? I posted from what were the initial reports which at the time were declaring that she had died from the attack. Those reports turn out to have been error, but a Federal judge did die in the attack, and many other people were wounded. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d290a829d0bdaefde9st06vuc Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/kaliyuga%40wildblue.net Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The media didn't declare her dead. These were rumors circulating after the shooting and they reported the rumors. What else do they do? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The media didn't declare her dead. These were rumors circulating after the shooting and they reported the rumors. What else do they do? Are you saying the media merely reported the rumors? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/kaliyuga%40wildblue.net Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:21:22 -0800 MARGARET WYLES kaliy...@wildblue.net writes: I clicked on the link you provided in support of your post. So either you misread the post or they replaced the story with another one. What I posted, was the text of the story as it existed on YahooNews at that time. So, yes, they replaced their original story with an update one later on, under the same URL. Is that common practice? Do you really have to ask? The answer, of course, is yes. Is it also common practice in the media to declare someone dead without definitve proof? It's hardly the first time that they have done something like that. I am sure it won't be the last either. Seems the height of irresponsibility, especially when it involves a public official. Can we be sure now of the facts that they've subsequently provided or will that be updated without explanation? I wouldn't at all be surprised if that if that should turn out to be the case. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d2932a8a009faf4d34st06vuc Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:54:31 -0500 Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com writes: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The media didn't declare her dead. In fact, some of the media were indeed reporting her dead. These were rumors circulating after the shooting and they reported the rumors. Which some major outlets were indeed reporting them as fact. What else do they do? Well, they have often done much worse. This is really one of their lesser snafus, as compared to their reporting on, say, the Iraq War for instance. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math ML Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
