Re: [Marxism] Further thoughts on the UK 2010 election and its aftermath

2010-05-17 Thread Gary MacLennan
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Very interesting post, Ian.  I myself think that we also need to factor in
some analysis of the 35% who did not vote and also to constantly bear in
mind that Toryism in the working class would appear to be an English
problem. Admittedly I say that as an Irishman with a deal too much
satisfaction.

As to how to react to Labour's defeat my thinking on the matter was heavily
influenced by the Tony Wood NLR article Good Riddance to New Labour that Lou
posted. So for me it is good riddance to Mandelson, Blair, Brown and all
that slew of pigs at the trough.

I have also finally decided that it is good that the Lib-Dems went with the
Tories. It clarifies things nicely.  It has also produced an incredible
amount of tortured bad faith in the pages of the Guardian, especially in
Polly Toynbee's column.

I tried to force myself to read David Milliband's statements but I couldn't.
My prediction remains, though, that he will try to do a balance between New
Labour and also to revive some of the links with the working class. that
might make for a few left sounding statements, but that is all they will be.
the golden rule is that all will be done with an eye to what the media and
the ruling class regard as acceptable.

As to what now?  Well the working class will have to learn to resist. It is
as simple and as difficult as that.  Something like the Poll tax
demonstrations is needed.  And I believe in my heart it will come.

On the cultural level I keep thinking that it is a mistake for the ruling
class to have the Cameron -Clegg clone act so visible. They do sound so
exclusively private school types. They may think they are born to lead, but
in the coming emergency their background means that they will not be able to
represent the "National Interest" despite all their rhetoric.  How can their
calls for sacrifice have purchase, even with the English?

Your post also had a good deal on the middle class or petit bourgeois.  We
have to bear in mind that this group is going to be hammered as well as the
working class. What impact this will have on their consciousness will be
linked to how the working class respond.  If the workers are tough and
decisive and brave, the middle class will slide in behind them, as their
"leaders" of course.

comradely regards

Gary

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[Marxism] Further thoughts on the UK 2010 election and its aftermath

2010-05-17 Thread Ian Pace
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I have refrained from commenting much on the several interesting threads that 
emerged on this list in particular in the period from when all the votes had 
been declared until the declaration of the Conservative-Liberal Democrat 
coalition, which is being spun by its leaders as 'Lib-Con', but known to some 
opponents as 'Con-Dem Nation' and various other things (one Labour MP 
suggested, quite acutely, that the most damaging thing is simply to keep 
calling it a 'Tory' government). Anyhow, my reticence on here is because of 
having been prepared in this election (in a way I was not prepared to do in the 
elections of 2001 and 2005, or even 1997) to actively urge support for Labour, 
and furthermore to be prepared to continue this, and campaign, after this 
election. This is not entirely inconsistent with the SWP position (as a lapsed 
SWP member - my various reasons for not renewing membership are for another 
occasion or post) which essentially endorsed 'lesser evilism' on this occasion, 
though urging support for TUSC candidates where they existed. I remain a little 
sceptical about the latter (but it wasn't an issue at least in my own 
constituency, where my local MP is and was Jeremy Corbyn) - at least in cases 
where it would have been likely split the vote and enable either a Tory or Lib 
Dem to win the seat. In this election every seat really did count; supporting 
Respect candidates in 2005 was another matter.

I'm sure this will be a red rag to many members; it is not a decision I took 
lightly, and probably requires some justification. I'd like to attempt to do so 
as well as offering some wider observations on the election:

First of all, I do believe that 'lesser evilism' should not be dismissed 
out-of-hand. As Richard Seymour and others have pointed out on this list, when 
faced with actual parliamentary elections which will have wide-reaching 
consequences, to simply abdicate entirely from the process neither serves any 
productive purpose (other than preserving some sense of personal purity which I 
find facile) nor precludes the possibility of other meaningful socialist 
organisation and action at other times.

I have no illusions whatsoever that the Labour Party is a socialist party, nor 
ever really has been. However, there are a few non-revolutionary socialists who 
remain affiliated to the party (including Corbyn). Under Blair, Labour went 
further in the direction of unfettered neo-liberalism than at any earlier time 
in its post-1945 history, and remains to the right even of numerous continental 
European Christian Democratic parties at least in terms of redistributive 
taxation. However, nuances still matter, certainly in terms of their policy 
implications and effect upon working people, and this election above all in the 
last two decades in the UK could (and now almost certainly will) usher in the 
most devastating consequences for the welfare state, the health service, 
education and much else (the latest blog post by Seymour - 
http://leninology.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-coalition-means.html - is very good 
on this). And I would even extend these nuances to cover the difference between 
Labour under Blair and Labour under Brown: in no sense can the latter be 
dissociated from the former, but the latter has undertaken certain actions 
including the nationalisation of Northern Rock or even the intervention on 
behalf of the banks. These, whilst undoubtedly serving the interests of 
capital, do betoken something of an ideological shift in terms of 
non-interventionist market ideology (there is of course the argument that these 
shifts constitute a regressive manoeuvre, consolidating a system for which the 
'free market' is nothing more than an ideological facade for a deeply regulated 
and jealously guarded state machinery for capitalism - right at the moment I'm 
still working through this for myself). More to the point, one can identify 
progressive policies - in terms of spending on education, health, etc., where 
there has indeed been a palpable difference compared to pre-1997 - that did 
occur throughout the New Labour period, as well as the fact that the party 
retained an umbilical relationship with organized Labour. These actions were, 
as I interpret it, possible only because of circle around Brown which 
co-existed together with the mixture of nationalism and toadying to US 
imperialism to be associated with Blair (from which of course Brown and his 
cohort can never be wholly dissociated). I certainly don't want to make too 
much of this, less still make this an issue of personalities within 'high 
politics'; just giving one reading of what may be minor, but nonetheless not 
insignificant, details.

The 'organic' relationship between Labour and the organized