Re: [Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I think we should mimic those capitalist institutions that have been successful...like the peculiarly named Fifth Third Bank. Those who want to build a new international on heritage of the Comintern and avoid the taint of Trotskyism should call it the Fifth Third International. This will not only raise wonderfully postmodernist issues as to the nature of fractionality, but it implies that the Fifth Third International may (or may not) actually be the Eighth International. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == sobuadha...@hushmail.com wrote: > It appears that Chavez is also acquainted with > the Fourth International(s) too or else he would > not have claimed the number five. Clearly, the new worldwide wave of socialism will not concern itself with Trotkyism vs. Stalinism. This obviously presents us with the very serious question of how to number the new international. Given that we are now facing socialism in the digital age, I say we make a nod to the 4th International while still proclaiming our intent to move beyond debates centering on the *old* way of numbering internationals, by adopting a binary numbering scheme. Long live the 101th International! Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mark Lause wrote: > I think we should jump right to the Sixth. > > Or maybe we should start putting splits into the realms of > fractions. : - ) Or maybe copy the software industry and have upgrades on our Internationals 4.1, 4.2 . . . MATT. --- 'In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.' Proclamation of Independence, 1916. 'The tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brain of the living.' Karl Marx, 1852. a.marx...@gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The words that constantly come out of Chavez's mouth are reflective of a hollow anti-imperialism and the fact that he and Morales are running left-nationalist popular fronts. I doubt a union of South American Soviets were about to pop up before Chavez and co. came around so I'm not attacking him or the PSUV, but I don't think anyone seriously thinks a new international can be built around the Bolivarian "Revolution" and the theoretical ruminations of Castro. This time around it's just a farce. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Shane Hopkinson wrote: > > > I'm not overly concerned about Chavez' view of any other person - we need > to be concerned about what he's doing for the working people of Venezuela > and what (if anything) we can learn from it - not defending everything that > comes out his mouth. > Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I never knew of his correspondence and support for Carlos "The Jackal", who has turned towards Jihadism while in prison and considers Osama Bin-Ladin an "anti-imperialist revolutionary". Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The call for a Fifth International has already been discredited by the fact that so many revisionists have called for it. I think we should jump right to the Sixth. Or maybe we should start putting splits into the realms of fractions. : - ) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == from a dispatch by Felipe Stuart on the first extraordinary congress of the PSUV: >Chavez called for the launching of the Fifth >International. He had taken some time to explain >the history of the First, Second, and Third Internationals. >His call was not ex abrupt. It was a serious proposal, >and he ended the speech with a series of chants, including >"Long Live the Fifth International!" It appears that Chavez is also acquainted with the Fourth International(s) too or else he would not have claimed the number five. Are there any Fifth Internationalists on the list? Does this mean that all those cool hammer and sickle designs with the number four are now obsolete? Is Stuart's later mocking of "...the self-appointed vanguards and telephone-booth internationals" a specific reference to Trotskyism or a more general attack on the non-Bolivarian left? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
