Re: [Marxism] [microsound] Another view of the health care legislation

[Mark Lause]

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The entire discussion about supporting specific legislation has very little
meaning if we have nobody in office, does it?  If you support a bill without
having anyone on the floor to explain your position, you reduce yourself to
yet another Great American Consumer of public imagery.

This is, of course, the reason it makes no practical sense to vote for a
capitalist party or its candidates.  For all the reasons people had to vote
for Obama, say, the process reduces their vote to something utterly
indistinguishable from someone who voted for him because they liked his
haircut.  And don't fool yourself: both votes count the same and have no
qualitative difference in terms of the campaign.

ML

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Re: [Marxism] [microsound] Another view of the health care legislation

[New Tet]

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S. Artesian wrote:
> 
> 
> No, things have gotten worse for me as they have for almost everybody who 
> isn't a bourgeois.  I'm just one of those people who doesn't think that 
> supporting the  bourgeoisie, and their band aid legislation, makes it 
> better.
> 
> Doesn't mean I support ending unemployment benefits... just means that 
> supporting bourgeois legislation regarding unemployment benefits, 
> healthcare, investment,  is not a winning tactic, effective strategy, or 
> programmatic vehicle for actually eliminating poverty and immiseration.
> 
> We are not, and should not, support bourgeois legislation.  Marx wrote
> that 
> the "first principle of our party" is "not a farthing" for this
> government. 
> I think he meant what he said.

Capitalist reforms are concealed measures of reaction, as KM correctly
pointed out.

Some reforms are, as in this case, I think, grudging concessions to the
working class at
times when the class struggle heats up.

No single reform or set of reforms can ever topple capitalism or abolish any
of
it's industries in favor of the working class. That is, as long as they hold
the principles of private property and profit inviolate and sacrosanct.

That said, though, history has shown that ruling class reaction can spiral
out of
control precipitating exactly what it aimed to contain.
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