Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians
Has nothing to do with individualism. Merely claiming that Dost talking about the suppression of difference which can vover individualism and ethnic identity among other things. And am merely speculating. Paddy - Original Message - From: Ralph Dumain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians OK, but I don't see what ethnic conflict has to do with individualism or the suppression thereof. On individualism and Marxism, see my bibliography: http://www.autodidactproject.org/bib/marxind1.htmlMarx the Individual Reconsidered At 05:53 PM 8/14/2008, Paddy Hackett wrote: This is just my point concerning the significance of Dostoevsky. He believed that under contemporary socio-economic conditions pertaining then spirit, free will, individuality was denied any presence. By covering over difference, ethnic distinctions, individuality with the ideology of the common good the prevailing conditions failed to facilitate the difference. Soviet ideology and culture merely denied its existence and the existence of defiance. The West, in a sense, fares no better. Under Western conditions false difference and individuality has increasingly replaced authenticity --authentic difference and individuality. Marxism may have failed too in this regard. We have got to seriously examine the matter of authentic individuality in the context of positive social, economic and technological developments. Paddy Hackett -- Culturally it seems that the socialist states did not get to grips with the reality of racist friction but covered it over with an ideology of common good, which was then subject to attack as hypocrisy. - just my impressions. Chris Burford London ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Underground Man
Here are some earlier thaxis discussions of Sartre. CB Marxism-Thaxis] Jean-Paul Sartre (June 21, 1905 - April 15, 1980)There are numerous web sites on Sartre. Here's one: Sartre Online ... More information about the Marxism-Thaxis mailing list. lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2005-June/018715.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this [Marxism-Thaxis] Jean-Paul Sartre (June 21, 1905 - April 15, 1980)Previous message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Jean-Paul Sartre (June 21, ... Howard L. Existentialism and Marxism in Dialogue (A Review of Sartre's Problem of ... lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2005-June/018716.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this More results from lists.econ.utah.edu » [Marxism-Thaxis] Points of contact: existentialism, phenomenology ...[Marxism-Thaxis] Points of contact: existentialism, phenomenology, structuralism, post-structuralism. CeJ Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:21:14 -0700 ... www.mail-archive.com/marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu/msg04417.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this [Marxism-Thaxis] Jean-Paul Sartre (June 21, 1905 - April 15, 1980)[Marxism-Thaxis] Jean-Paul Sartre (June 21, 1905 - April 15, 1980) ... Parsons, Howard L. Existentialism and Marxism in Dialogue (A Review of Sartre's ... www.mail-archive.com/marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu/msg01441.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this More results from www.mail-archive.com » [Marxism-Thaxis] History and Human Existence (1)The summit of Sartre's philosophical attempt to fuse existentialism with Marxism is reached http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ... www.opensubscriber.com/message/marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu/9589567.html - 31k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Underground Man
Sartre Jim Farmelant farmelantj at juno.com Sat Mar 6 10:16:08 MST 2004 Previous message: [Marxism-Thaxis] RE: Marxism-Thaxis Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3 Next message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Sartre Skinner Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I don't know if this will be of any use to you or not, but Martin Morf had an article Sartre, Skinner, and the Compatibilist Freedom To Be Authentically in the journal Behavior and Philosophy, 26 (1), 29-43. (http://www.behavior.org/journals_BP/1998/Morf_abstract.cfm). In that article he attempted to relate the two different psychologies advanced by Sartre and B.F. Skinner, where Sartre had advanced a psychology based on phenomenology and which placed emphasis on free will, as opposed to Skinner's attempt to develop a psychology that was materialist and determinist. Morf holds that it is possible to assimilate many of Sartre's insights into the framework of a Skinnerian psychology without our having to embrace Sartre's notions concerning free will. He also addresses the issue the relations of subject and object in the two psychologies. Thus, concerning Skinner, he writes: While Skinner generally adopted a realist stance on the ontological questionof what there is (e. g., Kvale Grenness, 1967), he repeatedly rejected a realist stance on the epistemological question of how and what we know. He did not see a “personal self or perceiving subject at the epistemological center of events” (Woolfolk Sass, 1988, p. 111). Much like Merleau-Ponty (1945/1962, p. xi), Skinner rejected the notion of the “inner man,” the homunculus who inspects the patterns projected on the brain by the sensory organs perceiving the external world. More generally, Skinner rejected, in the best postmodern spirit, the “double world” of subject and object, inner and outer, physical and psychological. He made no distinction between the public and the private world, other than to characterize the latter as less accessible because the “verbal community” finds it more difficult to reinforce “self-descriptive” than overt responses (e. g., Kvale Grenness, 1967, p. 144; Skinner, 1963). On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:55:34 - Chris Burford cburford at gn.apc.org writes: I need to review a clinical psychiatric book that draws theoretical inspiration from some of Sartre's formulas about subject and object. I am writing to ask for advice on what reservations are there about Sartre's philosophical approach. I feel uneasy about him, despite his left wing claims, and I cannot remember why. I would appreciate comments that are philosophical rather than political for this purpose. Many thanks Chris Burford thaxis This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians
There is a different explanation that had some currency in Sovietological circles. It is that Stalin's nationalities policies deliberately encouraged the cultivation of national identities and differences, in part attempting to secure central power by cultivation of local elites (often creation of new local elites with a stake in the system) which was ok as far as the stability of the state went when then was a unitary dictatorship, but which produced centrifugal forces that tore the central state apart when the strong centralizing force disappeared. A similar thing happened in Yugoslavia. CB: As if the national identities and differences ( including Georgian , like Stalin) didn't exist for centuries before Stalin's policy, and as if Stalin had tried to homogenize them all into Russians _that_ wouldn't have been racist and great power chauvinism. Local elites ? As if _leaders_ shouldn't have been from the local populations. Shhheesh. What a bunch a crap. The patently illogical lengths gone to to characterize _everything_ Stalin did as wrong are ridiculous. And the vast majority of Sovieitologists are parts of systems and nations much more racist and chauvinist than the Soviet Union was. ^^^ ^ I wouldn't overstate the stability along national lines of the Western democracies. The US famously blew up over slavery and fought a spectacularly bloody war, followed by a stringent occupation (terminated to soon), to settle a related issue. More recently Canada nearly unraveled and there is talk of breakup in both Belgium (along ethnic lines) and Italy (along economic ones). This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Marx and individualism
Ossetians Paddy Hackett rasherrs at eircom.net Fri Aug 15 06:11:20 MDT 2008 Previous message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians Next message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Has nothing to do with individualism. Merely claiming that Dost talking about the suppression of difference which can vover individualism and ethnic identity among other things. And am merely speculating. Paddy CB: On Marx and individualism , there is a poster to a couple of related lists - lbo-talk and pen-l - Ted Winslow , who has a very developed and forceful theory on Marx's ideas on universally developed individuals as a premise for a successful socialist society. He has written tens of posts on the subject, and essays as , I think, a professor. This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx and individualism
- Original Message - From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx and individualism Ossetians Paddy Hackett rasherrs at eircom.net Fri Aug 15 06:11:20 MDT 2008 Previous message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians Next message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Previous message should have read: Has nothing to do with individualism. Merely claiming that Dost talking about the suppression of difference which can cover individualism and ethnic identity among other things. And am merely speculating. Paddy CB: On Marx and individualism , there is a poster to a couple of related lists - lbo-talk and pen-l - Ted Winslow , who has a very developed and forceful theory on Marx's ideas on universally developed individuals as a premise for a successful socialist society. He has written tens of posts on the subject, and essays as , I think, a professor. This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx and individualism
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[Marxism-Thaxis] Sartre on Thaxis
M-TH: Life Is Beautiful Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us Wed Mar 3 07:07:16 MST 1999 Previous message: M-TH: Re: who reads marx? Next message: M-TH: Outlaw the Nazis and KKK ! Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I'm thinking that as between Sartre and Althusser, Sartre. Sartre was in the Resistence and in a concentration camp. He was in the struggle for real. The theoretical basis I see for his emphasizing Hegelian subject, early Marx, perhaps reflected below, is that we are no longer in the period when Marxists treat political economy as a process of natural history. Rather we must be activating working class subjects. The beauty in life in the ennui, alienation, unhappiness even as in a Nazi concentration camp ! enough beauty to have enthusiasm for fighting back, as Sartre did. This is the type of activation of the working class subject we need. I wonder if a lot of the other French intellectual confusion at that time was not aimed at covering up Sartre's revolutionary elan and anti-fascism. Charles Brown James Lawler james.lawler at sympatico.ca 02/28/99 05:20PM Here is a review of the film I wrote for the Sartre listserve. Sartre, I think, would say that Marx would agree with this. --Jim Lawler I just saw the amazing film, Life Is Beautiful. Such a title for a film centered on life in a Nazi concentration camp. And yet, it is convincing. Life can be beautiful even in the horrors of the death camp. One of my favorite passages in Sartre's Being and Nothingness is from his discussion of the nature of values. Ordinarily . . . my attitude with respect to values is eminently reassuring. In fact I am involved in a world of values. The anguished apperception of values as sustained in being by my freedom is a secondary and mediated phenomenon. The immediate is the world with its urgency; and in this world where I engage myself, my acts make values spring up like partridges. In the middle of a thick book of disturbing philosophy, Sartre gives us partridges. I thank him for that. Ordinarily, we don't realize that we cause the values to spring up, wonderfully, like partridges. We take our values as reassuring, rigid facts of life. Existential anguish arises when one discovers that the values one accepts only work as values because of one's own free, creative complicity with them. We don't want to have to ask ourselves whether these are the values we want to live by, whether this the kind of life we want to create. There must however be a step, or many steps, beyond the initial experience of anguish. Such a recognition opens up the possibility of creating values freely, like an inspired artist. Guido is the existentialist Master, a person who is able consciously to make the values of his choice spring up like partridges. He is a moral magician, who sees and creates beauty in the worst ugliness. Why does the sign say, No Jews or Dogs Allowed? his five or six-year-old son asks him. Guido, a Jew, tells his Jewish son that nobody likes everybody or everything. The son says that he doesn't like spiders. *There, you see? And I don't like . . . Visigoths! So let's put a sign on our store: No Spiders and Visigoths Allowed.* Those who know Sartre's book may find special significance in Guido's occupation. He is . . . a waiter. Guido's performance of being-a-waiter would make a wonderful film clip to accompany Sartre's description of the waiter whose being a waiter is inevitably a playing at being a waiter. The waiter creates himself as a waiter. But the ordinary, at least Parisian waiter takes his waiter values very seriously, thinking of them as stern facts rather than as creative fictions. Guido creates himself as he goes along, in all the roles he is forced to play as well as the ones he is free to make up himself, as when he plays prince to his beautiful princess. Central to Sartrean existentialism is the idea that individuals freely create their own values. This does not mean that all values are equal. It's not relativism. There are two kinds of freely created values: those that are freely created but in the *bad faith* that they are determined by outside forces--nature, tradition, a god, the Leader. And there are the values created by people who know they are creating values, and whose values must therefore reflect this knowledge. Guido sees and exposes the ridiculousness of the ordinary, conformist majority who have fallen under the self-induced spell of the first type of values. He asks the new employer of a friend what his politics are. The man is momentarily distracted by his twin sons, rough-housing rudely nearby. Adolfo, Benito, stop that. Now, what were you asking? Guido tactfully drops his question. He had just seen the values of that other person jumping up and down, almost partridge-like, in the form of two very large round boys. The absurdity of the Nazi
[Marxism-Thaxis] Russian Support for Iran Sanctions at Risk amid Georgia Rift
Russian Support for Iran Sanctions at Risk amid Georgia Rift To: A-List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rad-Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [A-List] Russian Support for Iran Sanctions at Risk amid Georgia Rift From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:52:28 -0400 http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0815/p10s01-wome.html Russian support for Iran sanctions at risk amid Georgia rift The US bid to promote a fourth round of sanctions may get lost amid sharp dispute over Russian military action in Georgia. By Scott Peterson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor from the August 14, 2008 edition ISTANBUL, Turkey - Fierce American criticism of Russia's military action in Georgia is almost certain to jeopardize a very different US strategic objective: stepping up pressure on Iran with another layer of United Nations sanctions. As builders of Iran's $800 million nuclear power reactor, Russia has long resisted imposing sanctions to halt Iran's program, which the US says is a cover to make an atomic bomb. Washington has convinced Moscow to support three previous sets of Security Council sanctions. But US efforts to launch a fourth set of sanctions - begun last week, as Iran all but ignored a US-European deadline on a nuclear deal - may get lost in the shrill US-Russian tussle in the Caucasus. This will make any hope of cooperative effort on Iran much more difficult, says Michael McFaul, a Russia and Iran expert at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Support on Iran, he says, is without question the biggest strategic casualty of the renewed US-Russia tension. Iran is the last serious issue where the Bush administration has decisions to make in terms of changing policy, says Mr. McFaul. It is also the one place … of high national security interest to the United States where Russia plays a direct role in what we are trying to do. In that sense, it towers over all these other things. US and European officials are scrambling for ways to punish Russia for moving armed forces into separatist, pro-Russian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia in pro-West Georgia, and then into Georgia itself, to counter a Georgian military invasion late last week. After five days of fighting that routed Georgia's small, US-advised forces, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev said the aggressors had been punished and ordered an end to operations. Russia lambasted Georgia's US-educated President Mikheil Saakashvili as a terrorist and lunatic who should be tried for genocide. But the rhetoric has also been unusually blunt between the US and Russia. President Bush this week demanded Russia end a dramatic and brutal escalation of violence. This has come at a very opportune time for Iran, says a Tehran-based political analyst who asked not to be named. Any new rift between the US and Russians would be welcome by Iran … anything that give Iran more time and a little more headache for the US. Georgia is not far from Iran's borders, and up to a point, Iran would be quietly happy, but the conflict can escalate to something that would cause more instability and suffering, says the analyst, which Iran does not want. US warplanes carried 2,000 Georgian troops out of Iraq Sunday, until then the third-largest coalition member, which manned checkpoints to prevent weapons smuggling along Iraq's border with Iran. Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin mocked the US effort. I'm amazed by their skills at seeing black as white, of portraying aggressors as victims, Mr. Putin said. Some of our partners, far from assisting us, are attempting to impede us [by transferring Georgian troops] on board US aircraft directly to the conflict zone. Former Soviet leader and Nobel laureate Mikhail Gorbachev also blamed the US and the West more generally for military training and political support that emboldened Georgian leaders. By declaring the Caucasus, a region that is thousands of miles from the American continent, a sphere of its 'national interest,' the United States made a serious blunder, Mr. Gorbachev wrote in The Washington Post and Rossiyskaya Gazeta in Moscow. The effect will be felt beyond the Caucasus. Noting that the US wants Russia to support sanctions against Iran and to not sell weapons - particularly the highly effective S-300 air defense system - an analysis from Stratfor, an intelligence analysis firm, said Wednesday that the Russians have backed the Americans into a corner. Georgia is a marginal issue to the United States; Iran is a central issue, notes Stratfor. The US must either reorient away from the Mideast to the Caucasus, or seriously limit its response to Georgia to avoid a Russian counter in Iran. The US has canceled a joint NATO naval exercise with Russia due to begin this week, and the US and Europeans are debating further steps, which
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Sartre on Thaxis
I deliberately boycotted Life Is Beautiful because I find the basic premise obscene. Life was and could not be beautiful in a Nazi concentration camp under any circumstances. Find me one Holocaust survivor who would say such a thing. I would imagine Marx would be pretty nauseated by this as well. Speaking of Nausea, has anyone else found this novel as worthless as I did? At 12:56 PM 8/15/2008, Charles Brown wrote: M-TH: Life Is Beautiful Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us Wed Mar 3 07:07:16 MST 1999 Previous message: M-TH: Re: who reads marx? Next message: M-TH: Outlaw the Nazis and KKK ! Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I'm thinking that as between Sartre and Althusser, Sartre. Sartre was in the Resistence and in a concentration camp. He was in the struggle for real. The theoretical basis I see for his emphasizing Hegelian subject, early Marx, perhaps reflected below, is that we are no longer in the period when Marxists treat political economy as a process of natural history. Rather we must be activating working class subjects. The beauty in life in the ennui, alienation, unhappiness even as in a Nazi concentration camp ! enough beauty to have enthusiasm for fighting back, as Sartre did. This is the type of activation of the working class subject we need. I wonder if a lot of the other French intellectual confusion at that time was not aimed at covering up Sartre's revolutionary elan and anti-fascism. Charles Brown James Lawler james.lawler at sympatico.ca 02/28/99 05:20PM Here is a review of the film I wrote for the Sartre listserve. Sartre, I think, would say that Marx would agree with this. --Jim Lawler I just saw the amazing film, Life Is Beautiful. Such a title for a film centered on life in a Nazi concentration camp. And yet, it is convincing. Life can be beautiful even in the horrors of the death camp. One of my favorite passages in Sartre's Being and Nothingness is from his discussion of the nature of values. Ordinarily . . . my attitude with respect to values is eminently reassuring. In fact I am involved in a world of values. The anguished apperception of values as sustained in being by my freedom is a secondary and mediated phenomenon. The immediate is the world with its urgency; and in this world where I engage myself, my acts make values spring up like partridges. In the middle of a thick book of disturbing philosophy, Sartre gives us partridges. I thank him for that. Ordinarily, we don't realize that we cause the values to spring up, wonderfully, like partridges. We take our values as reassuring, rigid facts of life. Existential anguish arises when one discovers that the values one accepts only work as values because of one's own free, creative complicity with them. We don't want to have to ask ourselves whether these are the values we want to live by, whether this the kind of life we want to create. There must however be a step, or many steps, beyond the initial experience of anguish. Such a recognition opens up the possibility of creating values freely, like an inspired artist. Guido is the existentialist Master, a person who is able consciously to make the values of his choice spring up like partridges. He is a moral magician, who sees and creates beauty in the worst ugliness. Why does the sign say, No Jews or Dogs Allowed? his five or six-year-old son asks him. Guido, a Jew, tells his Jewish son that nobody likes everybody or everything. The son says that he doesn't like spiders. *There, you see? And I don't like . . . Visigoths! So let's put a sign on our store: No Spiders and Visigoths Allowed.* Those who know Sartre's book may find special significance in Guido's occupation. He is . . . a waiter. Guido's performance of being-a-waiter would make a wonderful film clip to accompany Sartre's description of the waiter whose being a waiter is inevitably a playing at being a waiter. The waiter creates himself as a waiter. But the ordinary, at least Parisian waiter takes his waiter values very seriously, thinking of them as stern facts rather than as creative fictions. Guido creates himself as he goes along, in all the roles he is forced to play as well as the ones he is free to make up himself, as when he plays prince to his beautiful princess. Central to Sartrean existentialism is the idea that individuals freely create their own values. This does not mean that all values are equal. It's not relativism. There are two kinds of freely created values: those that are freely created but in the *bad faith* that they are determined by outside forces--nature, tradition, a god, the Leader. And there are the values created by people who know they are creating values, and whose values must therefore reflect this knowledge. Guido sees and exposes the ridiculousness of the ordinary, conformist majority who have fallen under the
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx and individualism
It's impossible to read text formatted in this way, but in any case, I've started to look at this Winslow fellow and he has a number of cranky philosophical ideas, beginning with this ridiculous embrace of Whitehead. But now I have something new to add to my bibliography: http://www.autodidactproject.org/bib/whitehead.htmlWhitehead Marxism: Selected Bibliography At 12:35 PM 8/15/2008, Charles Brown wrote: Web Results 1 - 10 of about 28,100 for Ted Winslow universally developed individuals. (0.16 seconds) Search Results[PDF] Marx on the Relation between âJusticeâ, âFreedomâ and ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Ted Winslow. Division of Social Science. York University. Toronto, ON . The idea of âuniversally developed individualsâ appropriates Hegelâs idea of ... www.capabilityapproach.com/pubs/4_1_Winslow.pdf - Similar pages - Note this Human Development and Capability Association ()Winslow, Ted Submitted: 2006-08-28, This paper elaborates these and other aspects of ... that define what Marx calls the âuniversally developed individualâ. ... www.capabilityapproach.com/PubList.php?puborder=organizationsid=6f3d76a7fb4d3257a1e81a43797c0c3... - 176k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this More results from www.capabilityapproach.com » [lbo-talk] Dustup - final installmentTed Winslow egwinslow at rogers.com Tue Jul 29 06:41:45 PDT 2008 ... âgenuine and free development of individualsâ into âuniversally developed individuals,â ... mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080728/012528.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this [lbo-talk] Dustup - final installmentTed Winslow egwinslow at rogers.com Thu Jul 31 11:11:12 PDT 2008 the development of the âuniversally developed individualsâ who actualize âcommunismâ ... mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080728/012643.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this More results from mailman.lbo-talk.org » York University Graduate Programme in Social Political Thought ...Is not! dressed up in academic garb. Ted Winslow ... Marx's universally developed individual is the embodied universal will capable among other things ... www.yorku.ca/spot/25th/abs.htm - 50k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this PEN-L message, Happiness of the richFrom: Ted Winslow ... Ted W: The specific meaning is indicated by the idea of true ... Universally developed individuals, whose social relations, ... archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/2007w08/msg9.htm - 13k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Re: Collective wisdom... subjects (universally developed individuals in Marx's terminology). ... Re: Collective wisdom Devine, James. Re: Collective wisdom Ted Winslow ... www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg89210.html - 15k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Paddy Hackett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/15/2008 11:59 AM - Original Message - From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx and individualism Ossetians Paddy Hackett rasherrs at eircom.net Fri Aug 15 06:11:20 MDT 2008 Previous message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians Next message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Previous message should have read: Has nothing to do with individualism. Merely claiming that Dost talking about the suppression of difference which can cover individualism and ethnic identity among other things. And am merely speculating. Paddy CB: On Marx and individualism , there is a poster to a couple of related lists - lbo-talk and pen-l - Ted Winslow , who has a very developed and forceful theory on Marx's ideas on universally developed individuals as a premise for a successful socialist society. He has written tens of posts on the subject, and essays as , I think, a professor. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Fw: [comunismo_gci] Rusia - Georgia: una vez más la guera en el Cáucaso
--- On Fri, 8/15/08, betancouour romana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: betancouour romana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [comunismo_gci] Rusia - Georgia: una vez más la guera en el Cáucaso To: Centro Informativo Alternativo [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], juan De La Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jorge Melèndez [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Centro de Información - Rompiendo el Silencio [EMAIL PROTECTED], Centro de Solidaridad- Rompiendo el Silencio [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lenin Solano [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 7:03 PM --- On Fri, 8/15/08, GCI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GCI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [comunismo_gci] Rusia - Georgia: una vez más la guera en el Cáucaso To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 10:29 AM | in English | in French | in Spanish | in Russian | in German | in Czech | | напечатанная версия по-русски | ¡Nos hablan de PAZ ... y nos hacen la GUERRA! Siempre es en nombre... de la PAZ... en los Cáucaso, de la LIBERTAD... del pueblo ossètiano o abkhaziano o geòrgiano o ruso, de la AYUDA HUMANITARIA... para los pueblos oprimidos, del DERECHO DE INGERENCIA... humanitaria, ... que nos preparan ¡la paz... de los cementerios! La guerra en los Cáucaso es una guerra contra el proletariado mundial! ¡La paz social, la sumisión a la dictadura del dinero hacen posibles las masacres actuales! Proletario, no te creas que las misiones diplomáticas, las misiones humanitarias, ... van a parar las masacres. Para oponerte a la barbarie capitalista solo puedes contar con tus propias fuerzas y la de tus hermanos de clase. ¡Contra la paz social, la paz de los cementerios, luchemos contra nuestra propia burguesía! ¡A la unión internacional de los burgueses contrapongámosle la unidad creciente del proletariado internacionalista! ¡Retomemos la bandera de la revolución mundial! Grupo Comunista Internacionalista (GCI) BP 33 - Saint-Gilles (BRU) 3 - 1060 Bruxelles - Bélgica - icgcikg [at] yahoo [dot] com Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente. __._,_.___ Toute la discussion (1) Répondre (en mode Web) | Nouvelle discussion Messages | Sondages Modifier vos options par le Web ((Compte Yahoo! requis) Modifier vos options par mail : Activer lenvoi groupé | Activer le format Traditionnel Aller sur votre groupe | Conditions dutilisation de Yahoo! Groupes | Désinscription Aller sur votre groupe Yahoo! 360º Partagez l'essentiel Blog et photos avec vos proches. Yahoo! Groupes Créez votre groupe Partagez vos goûts avec les autres. Y! Toolbar 100% gratuit ! En 1 clic, accédez à vos groupes. . __,_._,___ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Sartre on Thaxis
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:56:22 -0400 Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: M-TH: Life Is Beautiful Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us Wed Mar 3 07:07:16 MST 1999 Previous message: M-TH: Re: who reads marx? Next message: M-TH: Outlaw the Nazis and KKK ! Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] - --- I'm thinking that as between Sartre and Althusser, Sartre. Sartre was in the Resistence and in a concentration camp. He was in the struggle for real. Actually, Sartre was never in a concentration camp. He was in a POW camp after having been caputured by the Germans following the defeat of the French in 1940. He eventually escaped from the camp, and returned to Paris. He was in the Resistance but the group that he was in, as far I can tell, was mainly a talking shop. They didn't do anything concrete. Althusser too was held capitve in a POW camp, where he spent the entirety of the war. Apparently, he lacked the opportunities and the inclination to escape. Sartre's real activism came after the war, when he took the lead in supporting a variety of progressive movements, including the Vietnamese struggle against French colonialism (and later against the Americans), the struggle for Algerian independence , which Sartre supported when that position was unpopular even on the far left. Later on Sartre supported the student movement, and most of the movements for emancipation of one kind or another that sprung up during the 1960s. By then he was considered to be the very model of an engagé intellectual in the tradition of Voltaire and Zola. The theoretical basis I see for his emphasizing Hegelian subject, early Marx, perhaps reflected below, is that we are no longer in the period when Marxists treat political economy as a process of natural history. Rather we must be activating working class subjects. The beauty in life in the ennui, alienation, unhappiness even as in a Nazi concentration camp ! enough beauty to have enthusiasm for fighting back, as Sartre did. This is the type of activation of the working class subject we need. I wonder if a lot of the other French intellectual confusion at that time was not aimed at covering up Sartre's revolutionary elan and anti-fascism. Charles Brown James Lawler james.lawler at sympatico.ca 02/28/99 05:20PM Here is a review of the film I wrote for the Sartre listserve. Sartre, I think, would say that Marx would agree with this. --Jim Lawler I just saw the amazing film, Life Is Beautiful. Such a title for a film centered on life in a Nazi concentration camp. And yet, it is convincing. Life can be beautiful even in the horrors of the death camp. One of my favorite passages in Sartre's Being and Nothingness is from his discussion of the nature of values. Ordinarily . . . my attitude with respect to values is eminently reassuring. In fact I am involved in a world of values. The anguished apperception of values as sustained in being by my freedom is a secondary and mediated phenomenon. The immediate is the world with its urgency; and in this world where I engage myself, my acts make values spring up like partridges. In the middle of a thick book of disturbing philosophy, Sartre gives us partridges. I thank him for that. Ordinarily, we don't realize that we cause the values to spring up, wonderfully, like partridges. We take our values as reassuring, rigid facts of life. Existential anguish arises when one discovers that the values one accepts only work as values because of one's own free, creative complicity with them. We don't want to have to ask ourselves whether these are the values we want to live by, whether this the kind of life we want to create. There must however be a step, or many steps, beyond the initial experience of anguish. Such a recognition opens up the possibility of creating values freely, like an inspired artist. Guido is the existentialist Master, a person who is able consciously to make the values of his choice spring up like partridges. He is a moral magician, who sees and creates beauty in the worst ugliness. Why does the sign say, No Jews or Dogs Allowed? his five or six-year-old son asks him. Guido, a Jew, tells his Jewish son that nobody likes everybody or everything. The son says that he doesn't like spiders. *There, you see? And I don't like . . . Visigoths! So let's put a sign on our store: No Spiders and Visigoths Allowed.* Those who know Sartre's book may find special significance in Guido's occupation. He is . . . a waiter. Guido's performance of being-a-waiter would make a wonderful film clip to accompany Sartre's description of the waiter whose being a waiter is inevitably a playing at being a waiter. The waiter creates himself as a waiter. But the ordinary, at least
