The Big Bourgeoisie Like Affirmative Action (Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite!)
I don't know if the BB wants racial harmony -- I believe that there is somerthing to the divide and conquer theory of the persistence of racism (John Roemer has a theorem on this, FWIT!) -- although they surely don't want race riots. But the BB has always liked Affirmative Action. (It was urged by LBJ and implemented as federal policy by Nixon.) It reduces exposure to lawsuits. It allows them to seem to others and themselves nonracist in giving advancement to nice middle class minorities (as well as women, although the story there is a bit different, probably) and bright and feisty poor minorities. The BB no longer likes to think of itself as racist, that's vulgar. Today you wouldn't even necessarily mind if your daughter married one if he was like Barak Obama. And best of all, AA doesn't require an attack on structural racism, e.g., by requiring full employment, decent schools and real desegregation both educational and residential, ending the "war on drugs" (that is, the war on young Black men), etc. --- Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Charles Brown wrote: > > > Although, I'm still trying to figure out the > vulgar materialist > > explanation of GM, the Pentagon, et al. supporting > affirmative > > action in > > Michigan last year. > > The big bourgeoisie in the US wants racial harmony. > They know they > have to deal with a workforce and a customer base > that gets less > white every year. Same with the military - they > don't want their > forces breaking down along racial lines. > > Doug > > ___ > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite!
On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Charles Brown wrote: Although, I'm still trying to figure out the vulgar materialist explanation of GM, the Pentagon, et al. supporting affirmative action in Michigan last year. The big bourgeoisie in the US wants racial harmony. They know they have to deal with a workforce and a customer base that gets less white every year. Same with the military - they don't want their forces breaking down along racial lines. Doug ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
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Clearly senility is setting in. But you are an admirer of Cornel West, as I recall. You probably like Michael Dyson even better. At 12:12 AM 4/17/2007 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >The white boyz understand the words they use and they greet each other and >say "my nigga," . . . every Marxist worth their salt should stand at >attention, Comment Well .. . the whole point of the article from which you selectively quote, was the post Jim Crow era and the Hip Hop culture. Here is the sentence that U selectively altered: "The white boyz understand the words they use and they greet each other and say "my nigga," . . . every Marxist worth their salt should stand at attention, listen and think . . . Post Jim Crow Era." Listen and think . . . observe and travel the real America . . .Ralph. I fail to see what Cornel West has to do with the Post Jim Crow era and Hip Hop culture; this nappy head ho discussion and Imus fronting. Fronting means "passing" and passing in the Jim Crow era had a double meaning: light skinned blacks passing for white and individuals passing themselves off as members of different class segments. Segments of young people world wide have assimilated rap and the Hip hop culture, no doubt due to the strength of American imperialism, and many of these young folks identify with niggas . . . as they understand class, alienation, rebellion, upwards mobility, poverty, culture and life itself. Imus was fronting. The deeper issue is the evolution of American culture and why it must pivot on the African Americans. Ralph . . . Why U fronting on Me. ;-) Melvin P. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
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Clearly senility is setting in. But you are an admirer of Cornel West, as I recall. You probably like Michael Dyson even better. At 12:12 AM 4/17/2007 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The white boyz understand the words they use and they greet each other and say "my nigga," . . . every Marxist worth their salt should stand at attention, ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite!
-- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: This story has been approached from a number of different angles. While Ehrenreich's approach is a legitimate one, there is a slightly different conclusion to be drawn from her argument. I don't buy the reappropriation of language line. It's probably true that a lot of stupid white people have borrowed a slang they don't really understand. (I see young white boys in the subway chanting "I'm a n***a" while listening to rappers on their ipods.) That was my initial impression of Imus' remarks. But if they were in fact back-handed compliments, they were still insulting, and would have been insulting no matter who uttered them. << Comment It was during the last mass hiring of the Chrysler Corp - back in 1993/1994, that I became truly aware of the post Jim Crow experience in America, as a living experience of my son generation. What is Hip Hop culture, is driven by the ceaseless engines of bourgeois private property as an industry that has altered all of us to one degree or another, and this . . . is part of the post Jim Crow legacy. * >> This isn't only about race, though. Much of the commentary has focused on a multi-millionaire white guy's unaccountable insult to aspiring young black women. Al Sharpton held up his own college-bound daughter as one of the injured parties; Gwen Ifill offered the painful revelation that Imus once referred to her as "the cleaning lady." But at least two of the Rutgers players are white. What is the message here? That if you hang with the sistuhs your virtue will decline and your hair go bad? << * Brother Al is a professional black man. He makes his living off of being a professional African American and defender of the black, and I am not hating on Al. Hell . . . there are lots of professional and political white people who live off of being white. But, you know, don't many of these phonies know how to wear their hair in the language of the Hip Hop culture. Anyway . . . . Everything in America is converted into a job and this includes communism. My communism is still to much Motown and not enough Hip Hop. Al, if you want to get elected you have to deal with a bunch of million white boyz that are working class, Hip Hop and already identify with the "black" that is increasingly pushed outside the system. They identify because they feel themselves to be pushed outside the system in the most immediate and personal way. It is narrow mindedness masking ideological concepts scared of, opposed to, and to mutherfuckin punk to face . . . . class, and there fore speaks of white suburban boys sporting ghetto fashions. Hip Hop fashion is anything and everything but ghetto. Its street smart. The so-called white suburban boys, upon closer inspection turn out to be an entire class of white boyz - working class to the bone, who feel no need to justify their assimilation of Hip Hop culture. That is who they are and they are not the suburban white boys of the 1960's. Post Jim Crow culture is Hip Hop and this culture was visually introduced nation wide by Arsenio Hall and then was powered by MTV after their rule of suburban white boys was broken - (pressured by Sony/Epic wielding the huge stick of Michael Jackson's Thriller) and overthrown - superceded, by white boyz. The white boyz is a class thing and not pretense, unless one is gullible enough to believe that Dr. Dre is even marginally gangster. Look, I am old enough to have loved the old gangster movies with Edward G, Robinson, Bogart, and James Cagney, who was really a song and dance man. Its gangster stuff with its appeal to the individual overcoming incredible odd to triumph over the big guys and their controlling organizations. See . . . Dre is further removed from the streets than I am and this is not an indictment but a fact. Nor does this fact stops him being the Godfather of Rap producers. Dre is good and needs no apologies for being good. Dre career began with jeri curls, Hammer pants and Prince makeup. As an aspiring producer he heard, understood and loved the sound of the streets and strived for complexity in his art. Our current generation of white boyz feel the alienation portrayed in this street music, as they are out there pounding the streets . . . . and the mutherfuckers ain't got college degrees and shit. See . . . Dre, was more middle class than the majority of the contemporary post Jim Crow white boyz and white girlz, and he was poor. Post Jim Crow is the framework. It is a mistake to think that it is the black and brown workers working all of those $11 an hour jobs and less. The white girlz hair is real nappy and this is no metaphor. Look at their hair for real and anyone with the power of observation can readily see the difference between the
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite!
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400 "Charles Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Over on Marxmail, Shane Mage suggested that a probably decisive > aspect > for CBS was that Don Imus's remarks exposed the network to possible > litigation. You simply cannot call people whores on the public > airwaves and not expect to be sued for libel. If litigation should > occur, CBS and Imus can expect to be paying out millions of dollars > in > damages. That and the prospect of organized boycotts of network > sponsors, I think, made this a rather easy business decision for the > powers that be at CBS and MSNBC. > > Jim F. > -- > > ^^ > CB: I often tend toward vulgar materialist explanations , myself. > :>) They work for me. I suspect anything else would be to give CBS and MSNBC too much credit. > > > > ___ > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite!
Over on Marxmail, Shane Mage suggested that a probably decisive aspect for CBS was that Don Imus's remarks exposed the network to possible litigation. You simply cannot call people whores on the public airwaves and not expect to be sued for libel. If litigation should occur, CBS and Imus can expect to be paying out millions of dollars in damages. That and the prospect of organized boycotts of network sponsors, I think, made this a rather easy business decision for the powers that be at CBS and MSNBC. Jim F. -- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This story has been approached from a number of different angles. While Ehrenreich's approach is a legitimate one, there is a slightly different conclusion to be drawn from her argument. I don't buy the reappropriation of language line. It's probably true that a lot of stupid white people have borrowed a slang they don't really understand. (I see young white boys in the subway chanting "I'm a n***a" while listening to rappers on their ipods.) That was my initial impression of Imus' remarks. But if they were in fact back-handed compliments, they were still insulting, and would have been insulting no matter who uttered them. If Imus wanted to lust over black girls, which he certainly has the right to do, better he should have gotten himself in trouble by making a rather different set of remarks than picking up on a demeaning stereotype to do so. One can certainly lust over classy young ladies as I did at the Kennedy Center while all this was going on. There's an issue of respect. The problem, however, is not merely in the imitation, but in the original. This whole language, which nobody will ever convince me means anything but low self-esteem, needs to be proscribed. If this were a one-off, I'd say fugeddaboudit. But apparently this fellow has a track record, so good riddance. But the hypocrisy of the media and all of the players involved ought to be highlighted, including the monetary interdependency of all the politicians and media people mixed up in this. At 01:24 PM 4/16/2007 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: >This article can be found on the web at >http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070423/ehrenreich > >Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite! >by BARBARA EHRENREICH >[posted online on April 13, 2007] ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite!
This story has been approached from a number of different angles. While Ehrenreich's approach is a legitimate one, there is a slightly different conclusion to be drawn from her argument. I don't buy the reappropriation of language line. It's probably true that a lot of stupid white people have borrowed a slang they don't really understand. (I see young white boys in the subway chanting "I'm a n***a" while listening to rappers on their ipods.) That was my initial impression of Imus' remarks. But if they were in fact back-handed compliments, they were still insulting, and would have been insulting no matter who uttered them. If Imus wanted to lust over black girls, which he certainly has the right to do, better he should have gotten himself in trouble by making a rather different set of remarks than picking up on a demeaning stereotype to do so. One can certainly lust over classy young ladies as I did at the Kennedy Center while all this was going on. There's an issue of respect. The problem, however, is not merely in the imitation, but in the original. This whole language, which nobody will ever convince me means anything but low self-esteem, needs to be proscribed. If this were a one-off, I'd say fugeddaboudit. But apparently this fellow has a track record, so good riddance. But the hypocrisy of the media and all of the players involved ought to be highlighted, including the monetary interdependency of all the politicians and media people mixed up in this. At 01:24 PM 4/16/2007 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: This article can be found on the web at http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070423/ehrenreich Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite! by BARBARA EHRENREICH [posted online on April 13, 2007] ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
