AW: [MLL]Vasily Ivanovich Chapayev
Also you might want to check out the relaunced website of the PCE(r) which can be found at http://www.antorcha.org In their gallery section there's a (spanish) text taking from a book written by Dimitri Furmanov. Maybe this helps a bit. For communism Sven -- Spetsnaz: Thanks comrades for your help. I found this interesting article where they interview Chapayev's great-grand daughter on following his footsteps. I guess shes currently studying in a military academy(damn it I wish I could study at a Russian military academy). Spetsnaz ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
ML Website (was AW: [MLL]Marxist-Leninists and the Working Class Movement)
Actually the MLL has its own TLD (Top Level Domain) @ http://www.marxist-leninist-list.org which is rarely updated and in a really bad shape. My fault this is I guess. Anyway, it would be great if we could have some kind of task force taking care of the website in close cooperation with the moderators panel that is of course. For communism Sven Buttler PS: Just in case you wonder I haven't forgotten you, Victor and Jose. Just give me a few more days and I get back to you. Actually my worry is to discuss much more about the ways to improve our capacity to use the Internet in different ways. For example why cannot we simplify the MLlist websites name. Instead for a large name http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list we can use a free service of the company http://come.to/people.com and change to http://come.to/MLlist and this is easier to spread and to remember, but maybe we need to buy other domain and improve the site and our communication maybe through Intranet system. Fraternally Rafael ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
SUSPICIOUS HEADERS (was AW: [MLL]Zionism is Fascism!)
Thank you Milan. Your kind comments are most appreciated. Incidentally, I think the moderators need to straighten out this posting problem with MLL ASAP. It can not help but diminish the number of participants and postings. Getting a rejected message saying SUSPICIOUS HEADER makes me feel like someone thinks I am a spy or enemy agent. The reason why some messages are not send directly through to the list and held back for approval is because they are composed with HTML (for those who don't know what it is: HTML, aronym for Hypertext Markup Language, is a discriptive "programming language". For instance, most websites are coded in HTML. Also if you are using HTML to compose your messages you can underline, colour or format your text in a special way.) Please check your mailer if it uses HTML and, if you can, turn it off. Also messages will be sent to the moderator first if they contain some kind of attachments. Several comrades have already pointed out that most viruses, trojans or worms are spread via these attachments, and this is exactly why they are held back. PLEASE DO AVOID USING ATTACHMENTS. Thanks for your understanding. Sven Buttler co-moderator ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]I'm back...too
Hi Klo, Jim and everyone, Actually I'm right here although I haven't been following the list for the last couple of months to be honest. I have been spending much time in the Linux and Opem Source movement and I have to confess that I even considered leaving the MLL'S moderators panel for good at some point down the road. Time is precious as you well know. Still I hope to be able to contribute to the management of the list even tho not in the way I used to in the past. This being said, I'd like to thank comrade Moreira for his dedication and for keeping the list up for the last couple of months. Talk to you later. For communism Sven Buttler PS: Jim, could you please send your private email address and phone number? Thanks --- Jim Hillier wrote: Hello comrades, I'm back after a long absence. I've a lot to catch up on, so I'll be keeping a low profile for a while. In the meantime, I'd like to say welcome to Harry Steel - we've rubbed shoulders on the truly awful UK Left list run by the Conrad sect. For communism Jim Welcome back Jim. I was just asking about you. Where is Sven Butler by the way and would you give us your views on this Weekly Worker situation in Britain which has come up. Fraternally, Klo ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Draft message of solitdarity
Dear comrades and friends, This is a draft text of protest letter in support of the political prisioners in Turkey. Because of the urgency of the matter we need to act very fast. If you like to be included in the list of signatures let me know on or off-list as soon as possible. If you would like to send your own protest messages you can use these FAX numbers: Staatspräsident Sezer, Türkei: Fax: 0090 312 427 13 30 Ministerpräsident Bülent Ecevit: Fax: 0090 312 417 04 76 Justizminister Hikmet Türk: Fax: 0090 312 418 5667, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Innenminister Sadettin Tantan: Fax: 0090 312 418 1795 Generaldirektor der Haftanstalten Ali Suat Ertosun: Fax: 0090 312 414 63 01, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For communision Sven Buttler Marxist-Leninist List -- Protest letter We are very concerned about the recent massacres carried out by police forces in prisons all over Turkey. The prisioners that have been under attack for several days now embarked upon a hungerstrike in order to protest the inhuman conditions in Turkish prisions. The Turkish authorities want to silence the prisioners and indeed the whole Turkish people to uphold the cheap pretence of being a democratic state. We condemn the recent undemocratic and coward actions against the prisoners and demand an immediate moratorium of attacks. Stop the fascist attacks! For a democratic and free Turkey! Signitures: -- Sven Buttler, Germany -- PS: I'm cc'ing this to the Admin-list. I encourage all other moderators to post this to their lists and ask for signatures in support of this message. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Welttreffen der Solidarität mit Kuba - Rede von Diether Dehm, stellvertretender PDS-Vorsitzender
PDS International Welttreffen der Solidarität mit Kuba Rede von Diether Dehm, stellvertretender PDS-Vorsitzender In Deutschland gibt es seit vielen Jahren sehr engagierte Kuba-Solidaritätsorganisationen, die nur auf der Basis privater Spenden arbeiten, zum Beispiel Cuba Sí beim PDS-Parteivorstand, das Kuba-Netzwerk KAREM, Sodi International, MediCuba und die Freundschaftsgesellschaften. Seit etwa zwei Jahren trägt die Arbeit neue Früchte: Eine stark angewachsene Sympathie, teilweise noch unpolitisch und unkoordiniert, besteht auch in der bundesdeutschen Bevölkerung für das sozialistische Kuba. Als zum Beispiel das Gerücht aufkam, Fidel könne zur EXPO nach Hannover kommen, waren weite Teile der Politik geradezu elektrisiert. Es gibt mittlerweile - und das weit über die Linke hinaus! - das Empfinden, dass auf dieser ungewöhnlichen Insel ungewöhnliche Menschen wohnen, darunter einer, der zu den weitsichtigsten Politikern und bedeutendsten Denkern der Mitmenschlichkeit gehört, die in den letzten hundert Jahren gelebt haben: Fidel Castro. Dieser oft noch nicht voll entfalteten Sympathie in unserem Land wollen wir am 23. Juni mit einem europäischen Solidaritätskongress in Berlin ein neues politisches Format geben, das die zentralen Forderungen des kubanischen Volkes und anderer demokratisch-revolutionärer Bewegungen auf eine breite Basis stellen hilft. Die internationale Solidarität kann in Deutschland so breit werden, wie vor vier Tagen, am 9. November, als eine große Demonstration in Berlin stattfand, die unsere Partei gemeinsam mit allen anderen Parteien des Parlamentes, allen Gewerkschaften und Kirchen und einer Viertelmillion Menschen durchgeführt hat: Gegen Neofaschismus und rechte Gewalt! Wie aber wird Solidarität in den sogenannten reichen Ländern des Nordens breiter? Nur durch Appelle an Opferbereitschaft? Gefragt, womit Vietnam zu helfen sei, antwortete Hi-Chi-Min 1967: "Organisiert den Klassenkampf im eigenen Land!" Solidarität für ein anderes Land ist also keine rein altruist ische Sache der Barmherzigkeit, sondern soll auch im eigenen Land den arbeitenden Menschen einen messbaren Vorteil bringen, im Kampf gegen den gemeinsamen Gegner, die "Höllenmaschine", wie der französische Philosoph Pierre Bordieu den Neoliberalismus nennt, gegen die supranationalen Großbanken und Monopole. Das Monopol - Lenin hat diesen Gedanken des Sozialdemokraten Rudolf Hilferding in seine Imperialismustheorie übernommen - ist in erster Linie immer ein Enteignungsverhältnis. Monopole enteignen die armen Völker des Südens, die Arbeitenden des reichen Nordens, aber dort auch die Handwerker und Kleinunternehmer. 30.000 Konkurse und Firmenzusammenbrüche jedes Jahr in Deutschland zeugen davon. Auch diese Folgen des Neoliberalismus wollen wir am 23. Juni in Berlin diskutieren. Ich möchte Euch noch einen anderen Vorschlag unterbreiten: Lasst uns den 1. Mai 2001, den ersten 1. Mai im neuen Jahrtausend, mit modernsten Kommunikationsmitteln zum internationalen Kampftag für alle Opfer der Monopole gegen die Internationale der Neoliberalen machen. Zuerst sollten wir von heute an bis zum März uns per Internet, Telefon, Telefax und Meetings auf allen Kontinenten auf drei Forderungen zur demokratischen Kapitalverkehrskontrolle verständigen. Dann müssen wir diese Forderungen in verschiedenen ausgewählten Städten der Kontinente in verschiedenen Sprachen auf die Transparente der 1.-Mai-Kundgebungen bringen. Und dieses alles sollten wir dann per Foto, per Tondokument der Ansprachen, per Digitalkamera und Satellit oder mit anderen Möglichkeiten wieder unter die Menschen bringen und übertragen. Das macht neuen Mut. Bilder haben heute eine eigene Sprache. Lasst uns also die Forderung nach Entschuldung der armen Länder und nach Aufhebung der Blockade von Kuba fest mit der Forderung nach demokratischer Kapitalkontrolle, Devisenumsatzsteuer und mit dem Kampf gegen Steueroasen und Offshorts verknüpfen. Somit kommen nämlich Hunderte von Milliarden Dollar in die Staatskassen auch für soziale und ökologische Zwecke. Somit können die täglichen Devisenspekulationen in Höhe von 1,5 Billionen Dollar halbiert werden. Das alles schafft uns neue Bündnispartner auch in den reichen Ländern. In Deutschland werden heute von 10 DM 8,40 DM verspekuliert und nur 1,60 DM in reale Projekte und Arbeitsplätze investiert. Dies muss gründlich geändert werden und mit diesen Forderungen können wir in den reicheren Ländern des Nordens ein breites Angebot formulieren an Arbeitende, Arbeitslose, an Umweltschützer und Kleinunternehmer. Solidarität hilft dann allen, nur nicht den Monopolen. Der 1. Mai kann so wieder eine neue internationalistische Bedeutung gewinnen. Als Karl Marx, der "Begründer" dieses wunderschönen Theaters (Teatro "Carlos Marx", also Karl-Marx-Theater, in Havanna - die Red.) ins Kommunistische Manifest schrieb: "Proletarier aller Länder vereinigt euch!", tat er das zu Zeiten der Postkutsche. Uns, in den Zeiten des Internets, verzeiht niemand, wenn wir
[MLL]WG: [Ozgurluk.Org] Prisoners in Germany carry out solidarity hunger strike
-Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von dhkc Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Oktober 2000 17:58 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: "[Ozgurluk.Org]" Prisoners in Germany carry out solidarity hunger strike (The following is a translation of a message by prisoners in Lubeck Prison, Germany, who have carried out a hunger strike in solidarity with the revolutionary prisoners in Turkey. Solidarity actions outside Turkey will be vital in this struggle, and this is one of the first actions we know of involving people not from Turkey. DHKC London Information Bureau.) "On Friday October 20, the Turkish political prisoners of the DHKP-C and the TKP(ML) started an indefinite hunger strike. They demand that those in authority should abolish the special courts which were only set up to try political cases. "Furthermore, they want the lifting of the so-called 'security laws' in this context, and finally they want the abolition of the 'F' Type isolation prisons and an end to the planning of those that have not yet been built. "These institutions of state terror and torture directed against the unwavering opposition to the state in Turkey came about in the light of experience gained fighting revolutionary armed movements in the Federal Republic of Germany. "In particular, these special facilities for torture and murder were created for use against the fighting comrades of the RAF (Red Army Faction) and the building of the prison at Stammheim is synonymous with this. "Recently we have experienced the 23rd anniversary of the state murder of our comrades Gudrun Ensslin, Andreas Baader and Jan Raspe, and the unsuccessful murder attempt against Irmgard Moller. If the prisoner comrades of the DHKP-C and the TKP(ML) are now beginning their struggle, this is indissolubly linked to the struggle of the RAF prisoners murdered by the German state, and it points to a globalised strategy of destruction by means of detention to be practised in future: we see this being done more and more openly. "Therefore, the fight of the Turkish political prisoners is also our fight. "As a result of this context, firm solidarity with the fighting political prisoners of Turkey is more necessary than ever. For the internationalised will to destroy shown by the imperialist governments, especially those of the USA, Germany, Turkey and the Israeli state, must be opposed by the internationalism of the revolutionaries. "From Monday, October 23, 2000, we are going on hunger strike, which will be limited to five days in the first instance. "We stand on the side of the fighting political prisoners of Turkey and demand: " - Abolition of the existing special courts " - Withdrawal of the 'security laws' " - The closing of the existing isolation prisons patterned on Stammheim and a halt to all further planning for these blueprints of destruction. "Further, we call on all of you to strongly oppose acts of destruction by the state in Turkey, both those attempted and those actually carried out, which are being done according to the prescription of the Federal Republic of Germany. Let us act Reiner Dittrich Mehmet Karsli Lubeck October 22, 2000" ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
AW: [MLL]WG: [Ozgurluk.Org] Prisoners in Germany carry out solidarity hunger strike
Just see this has already been sent out to the list. My apologies for any inconvienences. Sven Buttler (The following is a translation of a message by prisoners in Lubeck Prison, ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]List matters
Dear comrades and friends, Just a brief reminder: Submissions to the list should generally not be larger than 40kb. Posts 40kb require the moderator's approval and patience and the latter of which is not unlimited. If you want to send messages larger than this it's better to break them into several smaller pieces. Also, when replying to someone else please make sure to include only the most relevant parts of the original message and snip off the rest. This avoids unecessary repetions and saves bandwidth. Please keep in mind that quite of view subscribers are located in parts of the world where Internet access is still very expensive. Thanks in advance. Sven Buttler co-moderator ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Restoration of capitalism
Yes, I am quite serious, you consider this again, capitalism is restored and which social epoch are the instruments of production commensurate with? Obviously capitalist. Now, these instruments of production were developed under the DOP in a socialist state for seventy years when they are restored to capitalist production relation they fit like a capitalist glove. There was no change in these instruments of production, the changes lay in the state and the relations of production both reverting to capitalist. The stage of development of the instruments of production are identified with and identical to any capitalist nation. Does this not suggest to you that something was wrong somewhere? Obviously not. It is much easier to accept that an epochal transition from Socialism to capitalism has taken place, and that goes for the socialist state in any and all cicumstances. Your views are the majority views, agreed but that doesn't necvessarily make them right from the proletarian point of view. I have not been following the disucssion in detail so please bear with me if I hasten to wrong conclusions. I have not researched the issue nearly as well as you have, Alan comrade, but I think that your analysis has one fundamental flaw. It is true that socialism prepares the economic base for a transition to a higher form of society (communism). Nevertheless I think you are mistaken if you ascribe an epochal character to socialism. Socialism is the transition from on epoch to another, namly from capitalism to communism, it is the intermediate stage between a lower and a higher social and economic formation, true but is it really an epoch on it's own? I think we agree that if it was one it must have some unique characteristics which seperates it as an epoch on it's own from both capitalism *and* communism? Are there any? You might say that the Dicatorship of the Proletariat is a unique feature of socialism but in the abstract the DOP is the dicatorship of one class over another and this is something we can find in capitalism as well. Precisely because socialism is merely a transitional stage between two opposed economic and social formations capitalist restoration is possible. Sven. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
J. Henry Co and what we are going to do about it (was:Re: [MLL] The 9th point)
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, you wrote: I thought this was a list for Marxist-Leninists to have serious discussions AWAY FROM the standard slanders of the bourgeiosie. I don't vote to censor John Henry. I think he should be allowed to discredit himself on his own list any time he wants, maybe the AML list (anti-Marxist-Leninist). But he should be thrown off this one. He is obviously not even a nominal Marxist, in the vein of Trots, et al. He is an unapologetic proponent of capitalism. So he needs to go to an open discussion group and spread his fallacies and distortions there. Stan (as usual) raises a significant point one which has troubled me all the way since we first launched the list in 1998. John Henry has not been the first and will probably not be the last one who needs to be removed due to a complete disrespect for the general flavour of this list and for deliberately trying to push a line in stark contradiction to the ideological basis the mll has been erected upon. The question at hand is what we are going to do about it, or rather, what we can do in order to prevent this from happening in the first place. Maybe our list charter is not explicit enough on this particular point? If so, what can we do about it? Maybe we would be well advised to turn the mll list into a private invitation list restricted for all but newcomers other subscribers can vouch for. This would be sad, of course, as there are so many good comrades on the list we had not known before they actually joined us. I don't know. Give me your collective wisdom. frustrated, Sven Buttler ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
