editor_return_does_auto_indent= reversed on 0/1 conversion in ini file to false/true

[Felix Miata via mc-devel]

To reproduce:
>From menu, save settings, where ini last saved quite some time ago contained 0s
for false and 1s for true, including:

editor_return_does_auto_indent=0

Actual behavior:

editor_return_does_auto_indent=true

Expected behavior:

editor_return_does_auto_indent=false

This was causing errant copy/paste into mcedit behavior reported here:

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Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

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Nate Bargmann composed on 2022-10-21 11:52 (UTC-0500):

> The best would be if an email host could be found to take over
> this very low traffic but essential list.

OS/2 mailing lists moved years ago from yahoogroups to https://groups.io/ which
for me was welcome.
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landing on exit from mc

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Some distros on exit I'm returned to the directory that was current at startup.
Some distros on exit I'm returned to $HOME directory.
Some distros on exit I remain.

What controls this? I'd really rather remain. I can't keep track of which 
distros
do what. It's really annoying.
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Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

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Andrea Veri composed on 2022-10-20 13:09 (UTC+0200):

> Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse
> instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags
...
> [1] https://discourse.gnome.org

I went there. I saw nothing obviously having anything to do with MC on home page
or on applications page. MC definitely doesn't require anything to do with 
Gnome.
What is "tagging"? How about providing some useful instruction for people who 
have
only ever used mailing lists for GNU/Linux app support?
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Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

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Andrea Veri composed on 2022-10-20 13:09 (UTC+0200):

> Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse
> instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags
...
> [1] https://discourse.gnome.org

I went there. I saw nothing obviously having anything to do with MC on home page
or on applications page. MC definitely doesn't require anything to do with 
Gnome.
What is "tagging"? How about providing some useful instruction for people who 
have
only ever used mailing lists for GNU/Linux app support?
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Re: Any missed features?

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http://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/1952

Highly frustrating, cannot use it for Mozilla.org's Firefox downloads. :(
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corruption on vttys

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Is this a known problem? Block characters following funzip (7) and 
liblapadk.so.3
(3 & 5) do not belong there. I see this quiet commonly on return to a vtty 
running
mc from some other vtty login. Ctrl-O Ctrl-O clears them away.

http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/mc-corrupt-1440x0900.png

This has been going on for several releases across various distros. This
particular screenshot is from 4.8.24 on openSUSE 15.2, but I've seen it on 
Debian
and Fedora too.
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displays bad regular file timestamps on entry to .bz2 file & preserves the errors on copy out

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It's only happened on this one so far that I can remember:

Others I've checked from mozilla.org are handled normally.

Tar has no such problem.

Is this a known issue? I've not been able to find anything on point among 
tickets
on https://midnight-commander.org/
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F5 on directory does not copy any of directory's content

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Is there a configuration option that will cause MC F5 to automatically include
directory content as well as directory itself from an ESP partition mounted to
/boot/efi/, just like copying from any native filesystem? Is this failure a bug?
(4.8.23; openSUSE TW hasn't yet included 4.8.24)
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Re: MC for 32 bit

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Larry Pouncey composed on 2019-11-12 13:22 (UTC):
...
> I also used the two ftp links you gave me.mc-data_4.8.22-1_all.deb ran with 
> no errors.
> mc_4.8.22-1_i386.deb gave the following:Error Dependency is not satisfiable 
> libc6(>=2.28)

> I know we are not talking about mc being faulty here :-) It is actually more 
> likely me that is faulty. > However, if anyone knows how to fix this I would 
> be so GRATEFUL.

...
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mc/mc_4.8.22-1_i386.deb
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mc/mc-data_4.8.22-1_all.deb 

While using a GUI you can emulate MC using File Commander:
http://silk.apana.org.au/fc.html

32bit 4.8.22 works for me on Debian Buster. Maybe the following will help you:
# inxi -S
System:Host: gx280 Kernel: 4.19.0-6-686 i686 bits: 32 Desktop: Trinity 
R14.0.7
Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
# dpkg-query -l | egrep -i 'mc|libc6'
ii  libc6:i386  2.28-10 i386  GNU C Library: Shared libraries
rc  libc6-i686:i386 2.24-11+deb9u3  i386  transitional dummy package
ii  libxdmcp6:i386  1:1.1.2-3   i386  X11 Display Manager Control 
Protocol
library
ii  libxvmc1:i386   2:1.0.10-1  i386  X11 Video extension library
ii  mc  3:4.8.22-1  i386  Midnight Commander - a powerful 
file
manager
ii  mc-data 3:4.8.22-1  all   Midnight Commander - a powerful 
file
manager -- data files
# apt show libc6
Package: libc6
Version: 2.28-10
Priority: optional
Section: libs
Source: glibc
Maintainer: GNU Libc Maintainers 
Installed-Size: 11.8 MB
Provides: libc6-i686
Depends: libgcc1
Recommends: libidn2-0 (>= 2.0.5~)
Suggests: glibc-doc, debconf | debconf-2.0, libc-l10n, locales
Conflicts: libc6-i686, openrc (<< 0.27-2~)
Breaks: hurd (<< 1:0.5.git20140203-1), libtirpc1 (<< 0.2.3), locales (<< 2.28),
locales-all (<< 2.28), nocache (<< 1.1-1~), nscd (<< 2.28), r-cran-later (<<
0.7.5+dfsg-2)
Replaces: libc6-i386, libc6-i686
Homepage: https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/libc.html
Tag: role::shared-lib
Download-Size: 2,743 kB
APT-Manual-Installed: yes
APT-Sources: http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main i386 Packages
Description: GNU C Library: Shared libraries
 Contains the standard libraries that are used by nearly all programs on
 the system. This package includes shared versions of the standard C library
 and the standard math library, as well as many others.
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Re: MC for 32 bit

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Larry Pouncey via mc composed on 2019-11-11 01:30 (UTC):

> Hi guys.I have installed BunsenLabs 32 bit Linux. I ran the script b1-welcome 
> and updated what I could but there were some errorsand things that did not 
> get 
> updated. Not really a problem, but I do love mc and wanted to get it 
> installed.
> I tried using 'apt-get install mc' but the message said that mc was not
> available.

Did you repeat trying apt update?

BunsenLabs is based on Debian Buster (Stable). Can't you install Buster's (with
dpkg if necessary)?
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mc/mc_4.8.22-1_i386.deb
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mc/mc-data_4.8.22-1_all.deb
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hang trying to copy from NTFS filesystem to another NTFS filesystem

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Is this a known limitation? First I tried copying from an NTFS USB stick files
that originally came from a .tgz file created from an NTFS filesystem. I tried
using MC in the Knoppix 8.6 GUI from that stick to an installed SSD's Windows
system partition. MC hung around 70% complete, leaving no clue in dmesg. Next 
try
was from the original Windows 7 system partition on the old HD to the freshly
installed Windows 7 system partition on a brand new SSD, which froze MC 4.8.23 
on
openSUSE Tumbleweed at 88% complete, files processed 9533/10387, and again no
apparent clue in dmesg.

The journal may have clues, but I don't recognize any as such:
# journalctl -b | egrep -i 'ntfs|sdb|sdc|fuse'
Oct 08 19:15:42 gx780 kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 500118192 512-byte logical 
blocks: (256 GB/238 GiB)
Oct 08 19:15:42 gx780 kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
Oct 08 19:15:42 gx780 kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
Oct 08 19:15:42 gx780 kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read 
cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
Oct 08 19:15:42 gx780 kernel:  sdb: sdb1 sdb2
Oct 08 19:15:42 gx780 kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
Oct 08 19:15:56 gx780 kernel: fuse init (API version 7.29)
Oct 08 19:15:55 gx780 ntfs-3g[491]: Version 2017.3.23 external FUSE 29
Oct 08 19:15:55 gx780 ntfs-3g[491]: Mounted /dev/sda15 (Read-Write, label 
"WinDATA", NTFS 3.1)
Oct 08 19:15:55 gx780 ntfs-3g[491]: Cmdline options: 
rw,noatime,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=1000,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8,users
Oct 08 19:15:55 gx780 ntfs-3g[491]: Mount options: 
rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,users,allow_other,nonempty,noatime,default_permissions,fsname=/dev/sda15,blkdev,blksize=4096
Oct 08 19:15:55 gx780 ntfs-3g[491]: Global ownership and permissions enforced, 
configuration type 7
Oct 08 19:15:55 gx780 ntfs-3g[491]: Warning : using problematic uid==0 and 
gid!=0
Oct 08 19:15:56 gx780 ntfs-3g[494]: Version 2017.3.23 external FUSE 29
Oct 08 19:15:56 gx780 ntfs-3g[494]: Mounted /dev/sda6 (Read-Write, label 
"WinSYS", NTFS 3.1)
Oct 08 19:15:56 gx780 ntfs-3g[494]: Cmdline options: 
rw,noatime,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=1000,fmask=0111,dmask=,locale=en_US.UTF-8,users
Oct 08 19:15:56 gx780 ntfs-3g[494]: Mount options: 
rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,users,allow_other,nonempty,noatime,default_permissions,fsname=/dev/sda6,blkdev,blksize=4096
Oct 08 19:15:56 gx780 ntfs-3g[494]: Global ownership and permissions enforced, 
configuration type 7
Oct 08 19:15:56 gx780 ntfs-3g[494]: Warning : using problematic uid==0 and 
gid!=0
Oct 08 19:15:57 gx780 systemd[1]: Mounting FUSE Control File System...
Oct 08 19:15:57 gx780 systemd[1]: Mounted FUSE Control File System.
Oct 08 19:16:06 gx780 smartd[670]: Device: /dev/sdb, type changed from 'scsi' 
to 'sat'
Oct 08 19:16:06 gx780 smartd[670]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], opened
Oct 08 19:16:06 gx780 smartd[670]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], APS-SL3N-256, 
S/N:SF05C32442WL, WWN:0-00-0, FW:SBFM11.2, 256 GB
Oct 08 19:16:06 gx780 smartd[670]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], not found in smartd 
database.
Oct 08 19:16:06 gx780 smartd[670]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], can't monitor 
Current_Pending_Sector count - no Attribute 197
Oct 08 19:16:06 gx780 smartd[670]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], can't monitor 
Offline_Uncorrectable count - no Attribute 198
Oct 08 19:16:06 gx780 smartd[670]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], is SMART capable. 
Adding to "monitor" list.
Oct 08 19:16:07 gx780 smartd[670]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state written to 
/var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.APS_SL3N_256-SF05C32442WL.ata.state
Oct 08 19:18:47 gx780 ntfs-3g[2487]: Version 2017.3.23 external FUSE 29
Oct 08 19:18:47 gx780 ntfs-3g[2487]: Mounted /dev/sdb2 (Read-Write, label 
"Win7SYS", NTFS 3.1)
Oct 08 19:18:47 gx780 ntfs-3g[2487]: Cmdline options: rw
Oct 08 19:18:47 gx780 ntfs-3g[2487]: Mount options: 
rw,allow_other,nonempty,relatime,fsname=/dev/sdb2,blkdev,blksize=4096
Oct 08 19:18:47 gx780 ntfs-3g[2487]: Ownership and permissions disabled, 
configuration type 7
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] 312581808 512-byte logical 
blocks: (160 GB/149 GiB)
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] 4096-byte physical blocks
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 5f 00 00 08
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Disabling FUA
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Write cache: enabled, read 
cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Optimal transfer size 33553920 
bytes not a multiple of physical block size (4096 bytes)
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel:  sdc: sdc1 sdc2
Oct 08 19:19:30 gx780 kernel: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk
Oct 08 19:19:43 gx780 kdeinit5[1172]: DeviceServiceAction::execute:  
"/org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/sdb2"  is not a StorageAccess device
Oct 08 19:20:19 gx780 ntfs-3g[2612]: Version 2017.3.23 external FUSE 29
Oct 08 19:20:19 gx780 

Re: ordinary files in rpm file not displayed/accessible

[Felix Miata via mc]

Andrew Borodin composed on 2019-08-14 16:01 (UTC+0300):

Thank you for your response!

> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:03:06 -0400 Felix Miata via mc wrote:

>> On "entry" to 132k
>> http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/x86_64/MozillaFirefox-branding-upstream-68.0.1-2.1.x86_64.rpm
>> or
>> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/x86_64/MozillaFirefox-branding-upstream-68.0.1-1.13.x86_64.rpm
>> (downloaded with zypper)
>> all directories are displayed as empty, not expected behavior.

> Why do you think so?

It seemed incongruous for any other explanation for such large rpm size for 
only a
 directory tree plus docs. Had I thought at the time to simply copy out the
changelog its surprisingly large size would have been obvious. :-p

> $ rpm2cpio MozillaFirefox-branding-upstream-68.0.1-1.13.x86_64.rpm | cpio -t
> ./usr/lib64/firefox
> 1 block

> Archive is correct. Single empty directory is in it.

I tried to find explanation of -t in cpio man page after your response. No 
luck. :~(

> The 132k is filled by huge packet changelog:

> $ rpm -qp --changelog MozillaFirefox-branding-upstream-68.0.1-1.13.x86_64.rpm 
> | wc -c
> 129549

>> Is there a compression scheme missing from mc packaging that causes this?
>> Does mc.ext need some sort of customization? Something else? Bug report?

> MC is powerless to do anything here. 

So that means only rpm | wc could do this, no way to get the process of
discovering changelog size into MC? I've long been puzzled that so much content 
of
rpm shown by MC has reported 0 size, but I'm happy to have MC as it is. I don't
know how so many people can function without even knowing what an OFM is.
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ordinary files in rpm file not displayed/accessible

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On "entry" (highlight local copy of rpm fetched with wget, highlight it, press
) to 12k
http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/x86_64/MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE-60-2.3.x86_64.rpm
using MC, whether 4.8.22 in Leap 15.1, 4.8.21 in Fedora 30, or 4.8.23 in
Tumbleweed, all directories in CONTENTS.cpio are non-empty. This is expected
behavior.

On "entry" to 132k
http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/x86_64/MozillaFirefox-branding-upstream-68.0.1-2.1.x86_64.rpm
or
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/x86_64/MozillaFirefox-branding-upstream-68.0.1-1.13.x86_64.rpm
(downloaded with zypper)
all directories are displayed as empty, not expected behavior.

Is there a compression scheme missing from mc packaging that causes this?
Does mc.ext need some sort of customization? Something else? Bug report?
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random "characters" in filename field

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http://fm.no-ip.com/Files/Pix/Tmp/mcCorruption.jpg

In this image they are drawn to the right of icewm session (7 on line 25) and 
rdoc
(8 on line 40). This framebuffer screen happens to be 180x56 (1440x900). Font is
256char 8x16 font from file /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts/default8x16.gz.

This is v4.8.22 on openSUSE 15.1, but I've been seeing these spurious characters
at random following fullscreen redraws going back many releases and across
different distros.

This last instance captured for this screenshot resulted following this key 
sequence:

F3
ESC
ESC

on the plain text file default-xsession.desktop, and is repeatable, as is:

F3
F10

NAICT, those "random" characters are drawn in the same location drawn while the
file was in view.
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Re: Navigate directories with MC

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solarflow99 via mc composed on 2019-02-08 14:09 (UTC-0500):

> Gilberto F wrote:

>> Since when I started using Linux around the 2000s I use mc. I can
>> not use Linux if mc is not installed on it. I'm having a hard time
>> using mc in Debian 9.x. I browse the directories and when I leave
>> the mc I go back to the directory where I called mc. In Slackware,
>> mc behaves differently. When I leave the mc I stay in the last
>> visited directory.

> There is a setting under Options -> Panel Options -> Auto save panels setup

I don't think that has anything to do with it. I see the same difference in 
exit location among
various distros, never have figured out what controlled it, but always have had 
everything labeled
auto save disabled. Could this be one of those differences between dash 
(Debian) and bash
(elsewhere)? On openSUSE, /usr/share/mc/mc-wrapper-sh has one more line than 
Debian. Both have
variables containing the string PWD, which I gather could have something to do 
with start and/or
exit location.
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access to .wpi (WarpIN) archives?

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Does anything exist that allows MC to be able access content of these OS/2 & 
eComStation .wpi files
in same manner as gzips, zips and other archives?
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Re: IBM Systems Mag sez "All Hail the Midnight Commander!"

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Theodore Kilgore composed on 2018-11-30 10:16 (UTC-0600):

> I have never found any adequate substitute for MC.

I never found MC necessary on Windows or OS/2. I use FileCommander on both. 
Until I found MC I
found Linux too hard to use compared to OS/2. MC is all I ever use when I need 
an FTP put in
Linux, and what I use for most archive extractions in Linux. In Linux GUI I 
have sessions of
both open virtually always. Some things are possible at all or better in one or 
the other.
Trying to use a PC with neither is a herculean handicap.
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Re: change default configuration

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Egmont Koblinger composed on 2018-07-27 20:43 (UTC+0200):

> Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:

>> fwiw, i always found that default setting rather surprising and
>> counter-productive, too. the vim/emacs/etc. hardliners will find the way
>> to launch their personal deity, err, preferred editor soon enough, while
>> average joe (in as far as he uses mc at all) won't appreciate being
>> dropped into vi by default ("how do i quit that crap?!" was also my
>> first experience).

+++

> I fully agree, and recommend to change the default to mcedit.

AFAICT, external is a misfeature of .deb mc packages, one of the most annoying
things about using Knoppix (pause after run off in mc being the other). Fedora
and openSUSE rpms AFAICR are always mcedit.
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