Re: For translators: Midnight Commander on Transifex.net
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 08:16:27PM +0100, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: Slava Zanko slavaza...@gmail.com wrote: 17.02.2010 18:57, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: Now mc registered on Transifex: http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/mc/ I hope this will facilitate the work of translators... Why not register with the Translation Project, http://translationproject.org/ ? IMHO, Transifex more convenient service. Convenient for whom? I see that Transifix includes a web based editor. I suppose that might appeal to some newbies that have no prerequisites with the gettext tools or knowledge of the po-file format. However, the real downside of a project like Transifix, as I see it, is that it addresses individuals whereas the Translation Project (TR) targets translation teams. TR already has a huge number og translation teams hooked up and notifications of new versions of po-files are sent to the mailing list of those teams. Translations are usually peer reviewed on the mailing list and adhere to the rules and policies for specific and general translation that have been agreed on by the members. To me that means a great advantage over Transifix in terms of the quality, consistency and longterm maintainence of the translations. Furthermore the TR has existed and worked well for many, many years now. 100% agree and I could add that, generally speaking, stranslating is _not_ only a linguistic exercise. Usually (especially with MC) you have to cope with context meaning, shortcut keys clashing, space contraints, etc. So, to do a good job, you can't avoid the compilation, install, test phases _before_ committing a translation, and a web interface usually means the distruction of a good and hard work. bye -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
For translators: Midnight Commander on Transifex.net
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folk, Now mc registered on Transifex: http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/mc/ I hope this will facilitate the work of translators... - -- WBR, Slavaz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLfAleb3oGR6aVLpoRAl6/AJ0c9qYMGJscVhTTX15OOJQ7cyjJWQCfThn4 D+2I9IvcP+/sU2Rsh/t2S2Y= =QVXA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: For translators: Midnight Commander on Transifex.net
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 17.02.2010 18:57, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: Now mc registered on Transifex: http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/mc/ I hope this will facilitate the work of translators... Why not register with the Translation Project, http://translationproject.org/ ? IMHO, Transifex more convenient service. Also, year ago Patrick Winnertz sent e-mail's to coordinator@ translationproject... and remained unanswered. Transifex is supported by Fedora translation project; i think, this good argument for this. - -- WBR, Slavaz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkt8ONMACgkQb3oGR6aVLprS0wCeLshUjjbgdVugFt/qN2uUDMYN 1yUAnAgqANDmrMDaQ99Z7HKQux1UCcOz =qPwA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: For translators: Midnight Commander on Transifex.net
Slava Zanko slavaza...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. At Transifex you free for select your expirience level yourself: http://www.midnight-commander.org/nopaste/4Morten/download-upload-po.png Right, you can use your preferred editor, but where is the advantage of Transifix, other that you can submit a file with the click of a button as opposed to sending it to the Translation Robot by mail? http://www.midnight-commander.org/nopaste/4Morten/translation-team-settings.png As you see, it's able to add coordinators, members and/or maillist... Okay, but since teams are already in place around the globe and connected to the Translation Project, I do not see the need for this site. Also, year ago Patrick Winnertz sent e-mail's to coordinator@ translationproject... and remained unanswered. Well, sometimes mails go astray. Then you try to resend or find an alternative address. I'll volunteer to get in touch, if you like. I'm don't sure that having two translate systems it's a good idea... Or you propose drop Transifex? YES, that is infact what I propose. The Translation Project works well, and you cannot expect the same level of team participation in Transifix as in the Translation Project which has been around since 1996. Transifix, who knows, may be gone next year... Transifex is supported by Fedora translation project; i think, this good argument for this. Generally speaking, I do not think it is any argument at all, but for the sake of the argument, I suppose that if a distro like Fedora absolutely has to endorse any one particular site for maintaining translations, then it cannot be the TR, since Fedora also includes non-free repositories. As first, Fedora don't include non-free repositories. This is a third-party repo's; official Fedora's position - no any ClosedSource or patient-violation projects into official repos (base/update). Sure, like e.g. Debian, I just meant to say that if Fedora were to endorse a single translation system that could be used for all of their repositories, then it would have to be something like Transifix. It is not an argument, however, that Transifix is particularly well suited or better for the purposes of the Midnight Commander project. Debian does not make such recommendations. As second, I'm not a fanatic of OpenSource. I feel difference between 'free' as 'freedom' and 'free' as 'free beer' - transifex make money from commercial translations, but for opensource projects translations is free (as freedom, all people can see, all people can change). Guys from Indifex company (owner of Transifex project) just want happiness for their families (like to all us); so translations - it's their bussiness (SaaS). I am not a fanatic either, but then again, it is beside the point ;-) Morten ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
